Ubaldo Jimenez On Reds' Radar?

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Jul 12, 2011 5:14 PM
dave;828297 wrote:Where did Ramon and Coco come from? They most certainly 100% will not be involved if a deal happened. We would have to hope Colorado would take Volquez. Maybe a package like Alonso, Volquez, Leake, Grandal/Frazier. I don't want to lose Leake either but they are going to want an arm that is a sure bet to be a big league pitcher. IF Walt pulled this off you don't need Leake anyway. I think Bronson's untradable contract will prevent a deal like this from going down. They need to keep these young cheap prospects to offset Bronson/Votto/Bruce/possible BP over the next few years.

2012-13
Jiminez
Cueto
Chapman
Arroyo
Wood/Bailey
Ramon is likely going somewhere, may as well try to work him into this deal.
Jul 12, 2011 5:14pm
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Jul 12, 2011 5:15 PM
Azubuike24;828304 wrote:One of Bailey, Wood or Leake + Alonso/Heisey + Boxberger + Grandal = deal.

Cueto
Jimenez
Bailey/Leake
Wood
VolquezArroyo

I still predict Chapman never starts a game for the Reds.

No way I give up that much for someone who isn't an ace.
Jul 12, 2011 5:15pm
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Jul 12, 2011 5:16 PM
CoCo wouldn't be a fit with Huston Street already there.
Jul 12, 2011 5:16pm
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Jul 12, 2011 5:17 PM
Azubuike24;828304 wrote:One of Bailey, Wood or Leake + Alonso/Heisey + Boxberger + Grandal = deal.

Cueto
Jimenez
Bailey/Leake
Wood
VolquezArroyo

I still predict Chapman never starts a game for the Reds.

Bailey, Heisey, Boxberger, and Grandal you say? I'd be fine with that.
Jul 12, 2011 5:17pm
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Jul 12, 2011 5:39 PM
se-alum;828305 wrote:Ramon is likely going somewhere, may as well try to work him into this deal.

If Colorado is giving up Ubaldo, that means they are giving up on the season. They aren't going to have any interest in Ramon, he's going to a contender.
justincredible;828312 wrote:Bailey, Heisey, Boxberger, and Grandal you say? I'd be fine with that.
That's dreaming.
Jul 12, 2011 5:39pm
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Jul 12, 2011 5:40 PM
dave;828334 wrote:If Colorado is giving up Ubaldo, that means they are giving up on the season. They aren't going to have any interest in Ramon, he's going to a contender.



That's dreaming.

Well, I'd still do it. Obviously.
Jul 12, 2011 5:40pm
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Jul 12, 2011 5:41 PM
Renteria and Volquez for Jiminez and Tulowitzki. Done.
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Jul 12, 2011 5:46 PM
maybe let them have Gomes for Cargo just to keep the Rockies fans happy
Jul 12, 2011 5:46pm
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Jul 12, 2011 5:48 PM
dave;828342 wrote:maybe let them have Gomes for Cargo just to keep the Rockies fans happy

BIG maybe.
Jul 12, 2011 5:48pm
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Jul 12, 2011 5:48 PM
se-alum;828305 wrote:Ramon is likely going somewhere, may as well try to work him into this deal.

Yeah, but if Colorado's looking to deal Jimenez, I'd doubt they'd want old guys like Ramon or Coco. They'd be looking to rebuild with high-caliber youth, not take a couple old guys who won't be around much longer off someone's hands.
Jul 12, 2011 5:48pm
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Jul 12, 2011 5:56 PM
Ramon to the Giants.
Jul 12, 2011 5:56pm
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Jul 12, 2011 6:12 PM
I just don't like the prospect of mortgaging the future for a guy that has not shown that he can be a dominant pitcher for 1 whole season, let alone a career.
Jul 12, 2011 6:12pm
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Jul 12, 2011 6:22 PM
se-alum;828361 wrote:I just don't like the prospect of mortgaging the future for a guy that has not shown that he can be a dominant pitcher for 1 whole season, let alone a career.
He's under contract until 2014 I believe and I don't think anyone is proposing to give up the future. Alonso is blocked by Votto and Grandal is soon to be blocked by Mesoraco. Why not give up a pitcher or two when you get a number one in return and knowing that plans are to try Chapman as a starter also next year?
Jul 12, 2011 6:22pm
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Jul 12, 2011 6:58 PM
se-alum;828361 wrote:I just don't like the prospect of mortgaging the future for a guy that has not shown that he can be a dominant pitcher for 1 whole season, let alone a career.

A sub 4 ERA for three straight years including a sub 3 ERA last year isnt good enough? What the hell do you want him to do?
Jul 12, 2011 6:58pm
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Jul 12, 2011 7:42 PM
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UJ will not happen quickly. It started well, looked to be quick deal, now CO acting like children. Won't happen unless CO reasonable.
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Jul 12, 2011 7:42pm
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Jul 12, 2011 8:04 PM
Take Ubaldo away from Coors' Field and he is dominant: 55.1 IP, 30H, 57K, 20BB 2.28 ERA, OPP OPS (by far the best of any NL starter) .486

I think many are underestimating his production. Leake should not be a deal breaker.
Jul 12, 2011 8:04pm
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Jul 12, 2011 8:17 PM
Leake/Bailey/Alonso
Jul 12, 2011 8:17pm
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Jul 12, 2011 8:27 PM
dat dude;828429 wrote:Take Ubaldo away from Coors' Field and he is dominant: 55.1 IP, 30H, 57K, 20BB 2.28 ERA, OPP OPS (by far the best of any NL starter) .486

I think many are underestimating his production. Leake should not be a deal breaker.

Well coming to GABP is almost as bad. The NL central parks are also much harder to pitch in than NL West parks. I'd actually expect his numbers to get worse but that's ok he can still outpitch just about anyone on any given night, that's all that really matters.
Jul 12, 2011 8:27pm
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Jul 12, 2011 8:28 PM
How long is leake signed on for? I'd rather have 5+ years of leake and some of the other trade pieces than 2 and a half years of ubaldo
Jul 12, 2011 8:28pm
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Jul 12, 2011 8:32 PM
Leake's service time won't even reach 2 years by the end of this season. He isn't arbitration eligible until after the 2012 season. He's under Reds' control until after the 2015 season, as it stands now. Now, the Reds have shown, as many other teams have, that they will sign a guy prior and pay him before those arbitration years, but Leake is still technically not free to leave until 2015. He's under team control cheaply (relatively speaking since he WAS a first round pick) until probably after 2013 if he continues on this pace.
Jul 12, 2011 8:32pm
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Jul 12, 2011 9:29 PM
SportsAndLady;828454 wrote:How long is leake signed on for? I'd rather have 5+ years of leake and some of the other trade pieces than 2 and a half years of ubaldo

Really? 2.5 years is a long time. Who knows what the state of the franchise will be in 5 years. Right now, the Reds can win, and win big. That means this year, and at least next year. Id make this deal happen in a heartbeat.
Jul 12, 2011 9:29pm
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Jul 13, 2011 11:16 AM
se-alum;828416 wrote:FWIW

That guy seems to have deleted all of his tweets.
Jul 13, 2011 11:16am
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Jul 13, 2011 1:11 PM
justincredible;828893 wrote:That guy seems to have deleted all of his tweets.
Noticed that.
Jul 13, 2011 1:11pm