sleeper;814274 wrote:Did you read the article?

Sure did read it. Of course they have no proof. LOL

Look, this happens everywhere. I honestly think they should be one year contracts. You give a kid a scholly to perform on the field and add value to your team. If he's not, why should you have to pay for him for 4 years? But it should also be known up front, which I think it is. But most assume they get it for four years, and most do.

My point was to lhslep, who thinks Tressel could never do this. If you don't think this happens, you are naive.

Given that OSU commonly has a lot of senior walk-ons with scholarships I have to be a little skeptical...

rmolin73;812572 wrote:HAHAHAHAHAHA you obviously haven't seen the kid in person.

vball10set;812581 wrote:THIS--the kid's a stud

I stand by my statement. I don't think this kid will do much in college. He plays in the Toledo City League which was not very tough this past season. The only good teams are generally Whitmer, St. Francis (which was down this season), Central Catholic and St. John's.

WebFire;812587 wrote:I think his small shoulders make him seem that way. He does look dumpy in that photo I posted. But he is anything but dumpy.

[video]http://rivals.yahoo.com/video/recruiting-football/AMP-Chris-Wormley-NIKE-highlights-530185?NICK_NAME=webfire35&LEVEL=2&TIME=1308927321&SIG=0c3870ea404f4e0472fbbf918794fb87[/video]

Video didn't work for me since I am not a subscriber of rivals.

WebFire;814270 wrote:So lhslep, what do you have to say about this article?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jJV6WB1P2oLlT5MOCZ7xsXkLlsHQ?docId=5dc5900e4c1742f1abef3def18ab92e5

Looks like Tressel and OSU play the little oversigning game too.

First of all you clearly didn't read what Sleeper posted from that article.

Second of all, this is the only article you'll find that even remotely accuses Tressel of oversigning. James Jackson didn't live up to his half of the scholarship offer, if he did, he wouldn't be at Grand Valley State.

You're reaching at straws here and it's quite funny.

lhslep134;814467 wrote:First of all you clearly didn't read what Sleeper posted from that article.

Second of all, this is the only article you'll find that even remotely accuses Tressel of oversigning. James Jackson didn't live up to his half of the scholarship offer, if he did, he wouldn't be at Grand Valley State.

You're reaching at straws here and it's quite funny.

Oh I see. So if Tress pulls a scholly for a better player, it's not the same thing?

WebFire;814536 wrote:Oh I see. So if Tress pulls a scholly for a better player, it's not the same thing?

Great explanation.

Scholarships are 1 year contracts

People know Ohio States exact scholarship situation as recruits commit right? I don't remember seeing anything about Ohio state having a scholarship issue with oversigning, though I could be wrong. Most likely JT told him he probably wouldnt see the field much at OSU so he left, and figured it was because of oversigning when the kid just wasn't good enough to play at OSU.

Terry_Tate;814850 wrote:People know Ohio States exact scholarship situation as recruits commit right? I don't remember seeing anything about Ohio state having a scholarship issue with oversigning, though I could be wrong. Most likely JT told him he probably wouldnt see the field much at OSU so he left, and figured it was because of oversigning when the kid just wasn't good enough to play at OSU.

OSU normally does not over sign and the kid was not a very highly rated prospect in the first place. Sure good players have been ranked low out of high school but the average 3 star player does not pan out at a school like OSU anyway. For every AJ hawk there is at least 1 or 2 three star guys that never see the field.

lhslep134;814467 wrote:First of all you clearly didn't read what Sleeper posted from that article.

Second of all, this is the only article you'll find that even remotely accuses Tressel of oversigning. James Jackson didn't live up to his half of the scholarship offer, if he did, he wouldn't be at Grand Valley State.

You're reaching at straws here and it's quite funny.

So you are saying he did live up to his half of the scholarship offer?

sportswizuhrd;814889 wrote:So you are saying he did live up to his half of the scholarship offer?

??

WebFire;814806 wrote:Great explanation.

Yeah?? Find me an article with OSU's side of the story and I'll comment. Until then, you're posting a one sided report without anything close to a comment from OSU on the issue except we have no evidence of a conversation between Jackson and Tressel. So, uhm, congrats on posting something that can't be confirmed? Is that what you're looking for?? HA

lhslep134;815460 wrote:Yeah?? Find me an article with OSU's side of the story and I'll comment. Until then, you're posting a one sided report without anything close to a comment from OSU on the issue except we have no evidence of a conversation between Jackson and Tressel. So, uhm, congrats on posting something that can't be confirmed? Is that what you're looking for?? HA

Do you have proof that the SEC does it?

WebFire;815511 wrote:Do you have proof that the SEC does it?

Uhm yeah, lots of it.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andy_staples/01/24/oversigning/index.html

Here's just one article I could find a lot more. If you're looking for a messaging board victory here, sorry, you're sorely mistaken. Congrats on a fail, enjoy it. Again, post an article with OSU's side of it, and I'd be more than happy to shoot you down more. Until then, adios.

OSU did not over sign. History says they didn't do it, if nothing else. They have routinely given out LESS than the number of allowed scholarships under Tressel -- because he likes to reward at least one or two walk-ons with scholarships each season.

Anyone who believes Jackson is telling the truth is extremely gullible.

Oh and Web...there's a whole web site dedicated to following the SEC and its oversigning practices.

www.oversigning.com

lhslep134;815521 wrote:Uhm yeah, lots of it.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andy_staples/01/24/oversigning/index.html

Here's just one article I could find a lot more. If you're looking for a messaging board victory here, sorry, you're sorely mistaken. Congrats on a fail, enjoy it. Again, post an article with OSU's side of it, and I'd be more than happy to shoot you down more. Until then, adios.

Thank you for proving my whole point in posting this article originally. What you posted is no more proof than my article. It is a one-sided story.

I win.

Writerbuckeye;815537 wrote:OSU did not over sign. History says they didn't do it, if nothing else. They have routinely given out LESS than the number of allowed scholarships under Tressel -- because he likes to reward at least one or two walk-ons with scholarships each season.

Anyone who believes Jackson is telling the truth is extremely gullible.

Oh and Web...there's a whole web site dedicated to following the SEC and its oversigning practices.

www.oversigning.com

History says? Huh?

My whole point in posting this wasn't to argue about oversigning. You see, I am against it in general. But I also believe a player should have to hold his end of the deal on the field.

Anyway, the point was lhs thinking there was no way Tressel could do this. I should have know we'd go the "proof" route. :rolleyes:

WebFire;815556 wrote:Thank you for proving my whole point in posting this article originally. What you posted is no more proof than my article. It is a one-sided story.

I win.

Here's a link to the official roster at the official OSU site. It has 83 scholarship players (they're in red) on it. With Jackson, it would be 84. With Pryor, it would be 85. No way they were over the limit at any point in time. Count for yourself.

http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17300&SPID=10408&SPSID=87746

Was Ejuan Price not going to be on scholarship?


Maybe in the week and a half since Price asked for his release, they were able to put a walk on on scholarship. But if that wasn't the case, they'd be at 86. Someone needed to go.

karen lotz;815677 wrote:Was Ejuan Price not going to be on scholarship?


Maybe in the week and a half since Price asked for his release, they were able to put a walk on on scholarship. But if that wasn't the case, they'd be at 86. Someone needed to go.

There are at least two walk ons now on scholarship on that roster: Brit Dalton and Tony Harlamat. I'm betting there are more than that, but those are two I know for sure were not recruited.

The person who runs the web site I linked (oversigning.com) is also a regular poster on The O-Zone. He has been investigating this story and posted the following this evening. Hawley is from the Big 10 office:

"I have Chad Hawley on record that Ohio State did not petition for the oversigning waiver. I have OSU's Jerry Eming on record that Ohio State did not oversign the 2010 recruiting class.

Late last night I sent in requests to Ohio State and B1G for Ohio State's actual numbers to further verify that they told me back in May. I am waiting on a response.

In addition, I have talked to James' HS coach, Matt Bird, who has been mentoring James through the transfer process, and advised him that there is a very strong possibility that Ohio State did not oversign, and I asked him where James got the idea that he was cut because of oversignign. His HS coach was shocked to hear that James had spoken to anyone and said that ne never mentioned overisgning to James.

I also talked to Rusty Miller, the AP writer who helped with the story, and asked him about the oversigning element of the story. He too does not believe oversigning was involved.

Lastly, I sent an email to Darrell Hazell to see if he could shed some light on the situation.

As of right now I'm in a holding pattern waiting on responses.

Once I have all the facts I will write a piece on the site. If it turns out that Ohio State did in fact oversign then James Jackson will become the poster-child for the fight against oversigning and I will continue to try and work to get it banned everywhere. I will be just as critical of Ohio State as I would Alabama or anyone else.

The real story with James Jackson is that he was under the impression that his scholarship for good for 4-5 years, and for whatever reason he assumed that when he signed that was the deal. That is the core issue, not the oversigning. What the article in question was trying to do was give an example of how the new state legislation regarding scholarship disclosure would help kids like James. I believe the AP writer, Pat Eaton-Robb tried to sensationalize the James story so that it would have more impact. Unfortunately, Eaton-Robb did not do his homework on this story and failed to vet the oversigning element of his piece, instead taking it for fact. It's a shame because I think there was a breakdown somewhere along the line for Jackson and his story would carry more meaning if it were reported accurately."

Obviously, this link will only be good until it rolls off the forum. But here it is. I have no doubts this was not a case of over signing, but if anyone would like to make a bet with me, I'd be happy to wager on that fact.

http://forums.the-ozone.net/messages/9481.html

Writerbuckeye;815831 wrote:The person who runs the web site I linked (oversigning.com) is also a regular poster on The O-Zone. He has been investigating this story and posted the following this evening. Hawley is from the Big 10 office:

"I have Chad Hawley on record that Ohio State did not petition for the oversigning waiver. I have OSU's Jerry Eming on record that Ohio State did not oversign the 2010 recruiting class.

Late last night I sent in requests to Ohio State and B1G for Ohio State's actual numbers to further verify that they told me back in May. I am waiting on a response.

In addition, I have talked to James' HS coach, Matt Bird, who has been mentoring James through the transfer process, and advised him that there is a very strong possibility that Ohio State did not oversign, and I asked him where James got the idea that he was cut because of oversignign. His HS coach was shocked to hear that James had spoken to anyone and said that ne never mentioned overisgning to James.

I also talked to Rusty Miller, the AP writer who helped with the story, and asked him about the oversigning element of the story. He too does not believe oversigning was involved.

Lastly, I sent an email to Darrell Hazell to see if he could shed some light on the situation.

As of right now I'm in a holding pattern waiting on responses.

Once I have all the facts I will write a piece on the site. If it turns out that Ohio State did in fact oversign then James Jackson will become the poster-child for the fight against oversigning and I will continue to try and work to get it banned everywhere. I will be just as critical of Ohio State as I would Alabama or anyone else.

The real story with James Jackson is that he was under the impression that his scholarship for good for 4-5 years, and for whatever reason he assumed that when he signed that was the deal. That is the core issue, not the oversigning. What the article in question was trying to do was give an example of how the new state legislation regarding scholarship disclosure would help kids like James. I believe the AP writer, Pat Eaton-Robb tried to sensationalize the James story so that it would have more impact. Unfortunately, Eaton-Robb did not do his homework on this story and failed to vet the oversigning element of his piece, instead taking it for fact. It's a shame because I think there was a breakdown somewhere along the line for Jackson and his story would carry more meaning if it were reported accurately."

Obviously, this link will only be good until it rolls off the forum. But here it is. I have no doubts this was not a case of over signing, but if anyone would like to make a bet with me, I'd be happy to wager on that fact.

http://forums.the-ozone.net/messages/9481.html

I guess I'm not sure why "cutting" a guy after 2 years is better than "cutting" before he starts his frosh season. Are you saying Jackson went on his own?

Also, LOL at this comment...

I also talked to Rusty Miller, the AP writer who helped with the story, and asked him about the oversigning element of the story. He too does not believe oversigning was involved.

Then why did he write a story that clearly was about oversigning?

The real story with James Jackson is that he was under the impression that his scholarship for good for 4-5 years, and for whatever reason he assumed that when he signed that was the deal. That is the core issue, not the oversigning. What the article in question was trying to do was give an example of how the new state legislation regarding scholarship disclosure would help kids like James.

I agree, this is the real issue.

lhslep134;815458 wrote:??

He goes to Wayne State not GVSU.