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May 31, 2011 9:01 AM
karen lotz;786034 wrote:???



Because he doesn't have tattoos, you just assume the rest is untrue?
Beat me to it.
May 31, 2011 9:01am
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May 31, 2011 9:07 AM
Quote Originally Posted by Speedofsand View Post
The article was hyped and it is great for OSU that everyone is 'let down' after reading it. Haters are disappointed there really isn't any thing new, Bucks fans are relieved. So relieved its amusing. The SI story didn't even touch on the cars or the compliance dept.

elbuckeye28;785929 wrote:I would guess that's because because there isn't too much there.

really? I'm watching ESPN talking about Kniffin and Pryor's cars right now.
Here is where they got it...
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/feed/2010-12/osu-suspensions/story/car-dealer-osu-compliance-director-called-me-over-50-times
May 31, 2011 9:07am
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May 31, 2011 9:45 AM
The fact that weed is illegal is compelling to this story.
May 31, 2011 9:45am
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May 31, 2011 9:47 AM
The latter interpretation is suggested by a story that has long circulated among college coaches and was confirmed to SI by a former colleague of Tressel's from Earle Bruce's staff at Ohio State in the mid-1980s. One of Tressel's duties then was to organize and run the Buckeyes' summer camp. Most of the young players who attended it would never play college football, but a few were top prospects whom Ohio State was recruiting. At the end of camp, attendees bought tickets to a raffle with prizes such as cleats and a jersey. According to his fellow assistant, Tressel rigged the raffle so that the elite prospects won -- a potential violation of NCAA rules. Says the former colleague, who asked not to be identified because he still has ties to the Ohio State community, "In the morning he would read the Bible with another coach. Then, in the afternoon, he would go out and cheat kids who had probably saved up money from mowing lawns to buy those raffle tickets. That's Jim Tressel."
How hard would it be to verify this story? Do they keep track of who wins raffles of football camps?
May 31, 2011 9:47am
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May 31, 2011 9:48 AM
The winner of that raffle was 8th grade student, Kirk Herbstreit.
May 31, 2011 9:48am
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May 31, 2011 9:51 AM
dokken;786122 wrote:The winner of that raffle was 8th grade student, Kirk Herbstreit.

You're trying too hard.
May 31, 2011 9:51am
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May 31, 2011 9:52 AM
Speedofsand;786055 wrote:Quote Originally Posted by Speedofsand View Post
The article was hyped and it is great for OSU that everyone is 'let down' after reading it. Haters are disappointed there really isn't any thing new, Bucks fans are relieved. So relieved its amusing. The SI story didn't even touch on the cars or the compliance dept.




really? I'm watching ESPN talking about Kniffin and Pryor's cars right now.
Here is where they got it...
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/feed/2010-12/osu-suspensions/story/car-dealer-osu-compliance-director-called-me-over-50-times

I mean I'm not discounting the fact that a story may still be there and there are some issues with Pryor. That said, this is the reasoning I think it's nice as bad as some think it could be.

1. The original Dispatch story was proven to have mistakes and was not near as bad as originally expected (e.g. Gibson actually paying for his car, etc.).

2. I'm sure George Dohrmann and his Pulitzer prize winning reporting looked deeply into it, and if he had found something, he would have reported it.
May 31, 2011 9:52am
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May 31, 2011 9:54 AM
I have one big question. If the FBI investigation found the memorabilia of the original 5 players, why didn't the same investigation implicate the new current players on the team that supposedly gave away their memorabilia as well?
May 31, 2011 9:54am
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May 31, 2011 9:58 AM
elbuckeye28;786135 wrote:I have one big question. If the FBI investigation found the memorabilia of the original 5 players, why didn't the same investigation implicate the new current players on the team that supposedly gave away their memorabilia as well?

My only thought would be that Rife sold that stuff
May 31, 2011 9:58am
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May 31, 2011 9:58 AM
elbuckeye28;786135 wrote:I have one big question. If the FBI investigation found the memorabilia of the original 5 players, why didn't the same investigation implicate the new current players on the team that supposedly gave away their memorabilia as well?

The possible explanation, as mentioned in the SI article is that he didn't keep all of the stuff at the place that was raided.
May 31, 2011 9:58am
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May 31, 2011 10:03 AM
elbuckeye28;786135 wrote:I have one big question. If the FBI investigation found the memorabilia of the original 5 players, why didn't the same investigation implicate the new current players on the team that supposedly gave away their memorabilia as well?

Because that would have actually given credence to the witch hunting going on.

This whole thing is honestly absurd and I know Buckeyes fans aren't alone in thinking that because national writers were disappointed in the depth of the story. Heres Jason Whitlock
It's an insult to comedians to call that SI story a joke. Every coach in college football and men's/women's hoops is willfully ignorant
We get it, Tressel lied. But Tressel also can't be expected to know what his players are doing 24/7 and who they are hanging out with.

For Christ's sake, Storm Klein doesn't have any tats, and John Simon got both of his while at Mooney. Nathan Williams has proclaimed his innocence as well and that all happened last night I haven't checked who has said what this morning. Haters are going to hate and are going to be blind to the witch hunting going on.

Herbie (who maybe Bucks fans should realize was right all along about Pryor) said yesterday on ESPN a statement that I agree with: This team is still extremely talented and if anything, the players who aren't the ones doing these things are going to rally together and work even harder to prove the haters wrong. I'm all of a sudden very excited for next season, especially with the news that Pryor may not play another down for us.
May 31, 2011 10:03am
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May 31, 2011 10:06 AM
enigmaax;786144 wrote:The possible explanation, as mentioned in the SI article is that he didn't keep all of the stuff at the place that was raided.

I take it FBI search warrants are not public information?
May 31, 2011 10:06am
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May 31, 2011 10:16 AM
For Christ's sake lhs, did you not read the SI article or any of the thread? Klein was mentioned with 8 others who traded memorabilia for tats OR money. If he doesn't have tats, that doesn't automatically mean he wasn't involved. Same goes for the others you mentioned if they were listed among the 9.
May 31, 2011 10:16am
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May 31, 2011 10:19 AM
The Ohio State University loved it's football program so much.....




That it's leader sacrificed himself to save the masses from eternal damnation.
May 31, 2011 10:19am
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May 31, 2011 10:21 AM
The SI author was on the Dan Patrick show this morning. DP asked him if he was done investigating OSI, and he just laughed, and said there is more there that he couldn't get into print.
May 31, 2011 10:21am
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May 31, 2011 10:23 AM
WebFire;786161 wrote:The SI author was on the Dan Patrick show this morning. DP asked him if he was done investigating OSI, and he just laughed, and said there is more there that he couldn't get into print.

Either he can't verify it currently or it is less "groundbreaking" than this article. I don't know why someone would hype up an article this much if they had more ammo in their arsenal?
May 31, 2011 10:23am
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May 31, 2011 10:23 AM
So does Storm have tattos?
May 31, 2011 10:23am
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May 31, 2011 10:25 AM
WebFire;786161 wrote:The SI author was on the Dan Patrick show this morning. DP asked him if he was done investigating OSI, and he just laughed, and said there is more there that he couldn't get into print.

If that article is the best he could come up with, I think we can skip the rest. What a let down.
May 31, 2011 10:25am
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May 31, 2011 10:26 AM
dokken;786165 wrote:So does Storm have tattos?

I haven't looked personally, but as I understand it he does not.
May 31, 2011 10:26am
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May 31, 2011 10:27 AM
FatHobbit;786168 wrote:If that article is the best he could come up with, I think we can skip the rest. What a let down.

It definitely appears to be a "let down" based in the hype it was give. There are some things though, that might spell trouble that OSU fans aren't giving enough credit for. I just think everyone was prepared for the worst with juicy gossip/rumors, and that didn't happen.
May 31, 2011 10:27am
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May 31, 2011 10:30 AM
WebFire;786171 wrote:It definitely appears to be a "let down" based in the hype it was give. There are some things though, that might spell trouble that OSU fans aren't giving enough credit for. I just think everyone was prepared for the worst with juicy gossip/rumors, and that didn't happen.

I think people realize there could be trouble, but more like slap on the wrist trouble. There really is no credible sources and unless they can find the memoribilia that was supposedly traded, I don't think there will be anything more than possibly a "hey we are watching you, don't screw up" or maybe some other small sanctions, based merely on hearsay
May 31, 2011 10:30am
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May 31, 2011 10:31 AM
karen lotz;786159 wrote:For Christ's sake lhs, did you not read the SI article or any of the thread? Klein was mentioned with 8 others who traded memorabilia for tats OR money. If he doesn't have tats, that doesn't automatically mean he wasn't involved. Same goes for the others you mentioned if they were listed among the 9.

He has 0 evidence of such. Klien has never been suspsended like others who have failed drug tests. (Bell for example) And he has no tattoos. No one has ever placed him there but one sketchy dude.
May 31, 2011 10:31am
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May 31, 2011 10:31 AM
WebFire;786171 wrote:It definitely appears to be a "let down" based in the hype it was give. There are some things though, that might spell trouble that OSU fans aren't giving enough credit for. I just think everyone was prepared for the worst with juicy gossip/rumors, and that didn't happen.

Not that more of the same isn't bad, but if this was the worst that the reporter found, I can see why the "other stuff" didn't make it into print. It must have been trivial.
May 31, 2011 10:31am
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May 31, 2011 10:42 AM
Keeping in mind that selling merchandise wasn't an NCAA violation until 2004 (I believe), the article goes back to 2002 and cites 28 players (the last 9 of which are highly suspect because of who made the allegation and the total lack of any proof). But for sake of argument, let's say they participated.

That means .03 percent of OSU players during that period were involved in this activity. POINT ZERO THREE PERCENT.

Does this constitute a "widespread" problem for the program?

I think OSU can make a very logical argument to the NCAA that this was a minority of a minority of students who even participating in this, that no competitive advantage is gained on the field by this activity, and it simply doesn't rise to the level of an infraction that should warrant stiffer penalties like loss of scholarships or post season bans.

They should also make it clear to the NCAA that they've been cited by that organization as a "model" institution when it comes to reporting infractions and taking action in the past -- so they are not dealing with a university that has gone out of its way to obfuscate or delay when problems arise. All of this should be considered when talking about possible penalties.

My feeling is that if they hammer OSU as some pundits keep saying (hoping for?) it sets a very bad example on two fronts: it punishes a program for offenses that simply aren't that egregious in the overall scheme of things and (2) it sends the message to other schools that it doesn't pay to be proactive in reporting offenses, because the penalties you get won't be any lighter. May as well just keep your mouth shut and hope they don't find out.
May 31, 2011 10:42am
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May 31, 2011 10:44 AM
OneBuckeye;786174 wrote:He has 0 evidence of such. Klien has never been suspsended like others who have failed drug tests. (Bell for example) And he has no tattoos. No one has ever placed him there but one sketchy dude.


But why would the guy lie about it? What can he possibly benefit from just throwing random names into the mix?
May 31, 2011 10:44am