
Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Nov 30, 2011 6:34pm
Exactly. +repI Wear Pants;995248 wrote:He's not the "best fiscally conservative candidate in the mix" he's the only one.

Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Nov 30, 2011 6:46pm
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believer
Posts: 8,153
Nov 30, 2011 8:07pm
Fair enough....but he still lacks the qualities necessary to get elected.I Wear Pants;995248 wrote:He's not the "best fiscally conservative candidate in the mix" he's the only one.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Nov 30, 2011 8:13pm
Perhaps, but young people like him.believer;995373 wrote:Fair enough....but he still lacks the qualities necessary to get elected.

Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Nov 30, 2011 8:49pm
Cleveland Buck;995278 wrote:[video=youtube;CWKTOCP45zY][/video]
The email the campaign sent out with the new ad.Dear Eric,
I am going to describe a candidate for you right now, and I want you to think about whether or not you would support him.
This candidate was for the individual mandate that served as the model for "ObamaCare." He was originally for the TARP bank bailouts before he was against them. He joined with Nancy Pelosi to promote the anti-business "global warming" agenda.
He slammed Paul Ryan's budget plan as "extreme," calling it "right wing social engineering."
You might think I am talking about Mitt Romney. Heck, you might think I'm talking about a liberal Democrat. But I'm not.
That candidate I'm talking about is Newt Gingrich. He is what I like to call a "counterfeit conservative."
And I have barely even scratched the surface!
My campaign team has put together a great video that tells you more about Gingrich and his liberal positions over the years. It tells you how he flip-flopped on a host of important issues.
And it shows, despite his claims, he is simply not a conservative.
You can take a look at the video HERE.
You might have seen recently that Mr. Gingrich traded on his former political office to land a $1.8 million lobbying contract with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
Why is this so disturbing?
Because while these out-of-control federal agencies were ruining the housing market and causing millions of homeowners to lose their homes and life savings, Newt Gingrich was earning millions advising them.
At that same exact time, I was publicly declaring they needed to be stopped before they ruined the economy.
I guess Newt Gingrich and I have a different idea of what to do with federal bureaucracies. I fight to rein them in and shut them down before they can do harm. He pads his personal bank account while they wreck our economy.
While I was fighting environmental extremists, the out-of-control EPA, and the Soros-funded green movement, Newt Gingrich was filming commercials with Nancy Pelosi.
While I was fighting government bailouts, Newt was saying he would have voted FOR them.
Don't be fooled by the words candidates use when they are running for office. Look hard at their records. My record is one of true limited government, anti-Washington, D.C. conservatism.
Newt Gingrich has a long record of liberal appeasement, flip-flopping on key issues, and lobbying for insider millions.
Millions. That's right. Remember the individual mandate I mentioned earlier that Newt supported? His healthcare group received nearly $40 MILLION in contributions from the healthcare industry.
I have rarely seen a candidate who represents so much of what is wrong with Washington and what is wrong with our political system.
We can and must demand better.
We must demand REAL conservative values. We must demand a person who puts faith, family, and freedom ahead of all else. And we must demand a candidate who has remained true to principle his entire career.
I believe I am that candidate, and I ask you to take a look at my Plan to Restore America at www.ronpaul2012.com.
You can tell I mean every word in it -- just as I've meant every word I have said in public life. And that's something that everyone will admit, whether they agree with all of my positions or not.
With me, what you see and hear is what you get. Wouldn't that be a nice change?
I am the only true conservative in the top tier of candidates running for the GOP nomination. And I ask for your support.
Together we can stop the counterfeit conservatives AND the liberals in the White House. We can take back and Restore America Now.
For Liberty,
Ron Paul
P.S. Whether it's flip-flopping on TARP, supporting the individual mandate that served as a model for "ObamaCare," joining with Nancy Pelosi in support of the global-warming crowd's radical agenda, or making millions off of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as they helped destroy our economy, Newt Gingrich is trying to pull the wool over our eyes.
He's what I call a "counterfeit conservative."
Here's an ad my campaign put together explaining his record of supporting liberal policies. Please take a moment to watch it.
And, if possible, contribute to my campaign as generously as you can to help me run this ad and get my message of liberty out with mail, internet advertising, and an all-out media blitz.

pmoney25
Posts: 1,787
Nov 30, 2011 10:16pm
Can anyone prove to me that our wars in iraq,afghanistan or anywhere else in the middle east improved terrorist attitude towards us. Have the sanctions and bomb threats stopped Iran?
You cannot kill ideas/words with bullets. Terrorists won't destroy this country. We will do it ourselves.
You cannot kill ideas/words with bullets. Terrorists won't destroy this country. We will do it ourselves.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Nov 30, 2011 10:24pm
It isn't about improving terrorist attitudes. Honestly I don't care if they don't like us (though having that environment only breeds more animosity and terrorists). My main point is "have the wars made our country safer or stronger?" The answer is a resounding no to both of those questions. We can't clusterbomb our way out of economic hardship.

pmoney25
Posts: 1,787
Nov 30, 2011 10:29pm
Agreed. How long will it take for you to feel safer that another 9/11 wont happen? Another 10 years over there, how bout 20?
I would also like for someone to show me an example of an Empire that was successful the more it spread itself out and the more countries they occupied.
I would also like for someone to show me an example of an Empire that was successful the more it spread itself out and the more countries they occupied.

Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Nov 30, 2011 10:35pm
Think about it. What if a world war broke out right now? We are already on the verge of bankruptcy, are we really strong enough to win a war a like that? We don't even have any factories anymore, the dollar is at the edge of a cliff, no one wants to lend us any more money. We would be absolutely fucked. Our foreign and economic and monetary policies over the last 80 years have destroyed us.

Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Nov 30, 2011 10:36pm
Here is one of the top comments on that Newt video up there. Smart guy.
When 234 Marines were killed by a suicide bomber in Lebanon, Reagan did NOT invade half the world and engage in a ten year war that will end up bankrupting the nation, while at the same time turning the US into a police state.
No.
He left.
Basically saying: you people are all nuts and I'm not going to get a bunch of people killed fighting your endless dirty little wars.
That was Reagan
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rydawg5
Posts: 2,639
Nov 30, 2011 10:42pm
From the debates I've watched, Newt seems like he has what it takes to lead this country.

majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Nov 30, 2011 10:49pm
Well if it was a world war like the last one and the rest of the industrialized world destroyed itself and we ramped up our industrial might unscathed it might just save our ass. At least is worked for us the last time.Cleveland Buck;995764 wrote:Think about it. What if a world war broke out right now? We are already on the verge of bankruptcy, are we really strong enough to win a war a like that? We don't even have any factories anymore, the dollar is at the edge of a cliff, no one wants to lend us any more money. We would be absolutely fucked. Our foreign and economic and monetary policies over the last 80 years have destroyed us.

Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Nov 30, 2011 10:53pm
Yes, let's not forget that it is the debates that are important. No one cares about what they really believe or what they have done in the past. It is critical that we elect someone that can spin their 30 second non-answers in the debates the most eloquently.rydawg5;995784 wrote:From the debates I've watched, Newt seems like he has what it takes to lead this country.
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Nov 30, 2011 10:55pm
I'd wager we'd be a battlefield in any new world war because of our position economically and militarily.majorspark;995802 wrote:Well if it was a world war like the last one and the rest of the industrialized world destroyed itself and we ramped up our industrial might unscathed it might just save our ass. At least is worked for us the last time.

Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Nov 30, 2011 10:58pm
Back then our money was still worth something, and we were a creditor nation. We had money. We have nothing now. We really don't even have any credit anymore since we are just printing the money to buy our debt anyway. Are people going to work for free? We are going to mobilize for a world war while starving here at home? We would have to try to form a military dictatorship for it to work at all, only then we would need the military here instead of around the world because the fiercest fighting would be here against our own government.majorspark;995802 wrote:Well if it was a world war like the last one and the rest of the industrialized world destroyed itself and we ramped up our industrial might unscathed it might just save our ass. At least is worked for us the last time.
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Nov 30, 2011 11:02pm
Military - yes.I Wear Pants;995815 wrote:I'd wager we'd be a battlefield in any new world war because of our position economically and militarily.
Economically - no.

O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Nov 30, 2011 11:04pm
Sex appeal to the majority of Americans, most of whom don't have two politically competent brain cells to rub together.believer;995373 wrote:Fair enough....but he still lacks the qualities necessary to get elected.
I'm not saying that any one candidate's following is idiotic across the board, mind you. I'm simply saying that the majority of Americans are politically apathetic 45 out of every 48 months, and their ability to discuss politics on the fly is worrisome, yet their vote counts as much as the vote from someone who values the electoral process and the political climate. As such, the candidate who comes across as the most likeable ends up winning, policy be damned.
That is Paul's Achilles heel. He has spent his tenure with rare consistency and more ideological holism than any other candidate in the mix on either side of the aisle. He's built his career on absolute conservatism with no sacred cows (except absolute conservatism itself) as policy, only to come to a point where policy doesn't matter in the voting process.
My only hope is that enough young people will participate in the primaries to make him a contender, as he is the answer to Obama's choke hold on the young demographic as well (despite the possibility of being the oldest presidential candidate ever), because while he recognizes the need for politically governed order, he also holds personal freedoms to be paramount to what differentiates America from the rest of the world. It's the sex appeal of the "anarchy" movement without the ensured chaos.
Having founded our identity in the freedom to live as we please, so long as it doesn't prevent others from doing the same, it is sad that we are now faced with a two-party system in which both sides would prefer to limit those freedoms, even when it is unnecessary to do so while maintaining a flourishing populace.
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rydawg5
Posts: 2,639
Nov 30, 2011 11:13pm
Yep.Cleveland Buck;995813 wrote:Yes, let's not forget that it is the debates that are important. No one cares about what they really believe or what they have done in the past. It is critical that we elect someone that can spin their 30 second non-answers in the debates the most eloquently.

O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Nov 30, 2011 11:19pm
pmoney25;995748 wrote:Agreed. How long will it take for you to feel safer that another 9/11 wont happen? Another 10 years over there, how bout 20?
I would also like for someone to show me an example of an Empire that was successful the more it spread itself out and the more countries they occupied.
Rome thought spreading out was a good idea. So did Persia. So did Neo-Babylonia and Neo-Assyria.
I hear those empires are doing well these days.
Cleveland Buck;995769 wrote:Here is one of the top comments on that Newt video up there. Smart guy.
Interesting, to say the least.
Make no mistake, I am in full support of going after someone who harms innocent American civilians, ESPECIALLY on the scale that the terrorists did on September 11th. However, that means going after that group of people. Just them. Not all of the Middle East, or all of Islam (militant or not), or every dictator who oppresses his people, or anyone whose resources better benefit the US if we control them, or anyone we think gave us the proverbial stink eye. And especially not a non-physical entity (you can't declare a war on "terror" anymore than you can a war on "fear" or "poverty" or "hunger" ... and trying only drains your resources without ever winning you anything).
Honestly, since only one of two sides seems to be able to win anything relevant, I wish one of the two sides would actually get that. Instead, we have almost identical parties who only vary on which rights they wish to infringe on and which fiscal sinkhole sacred cow projects they wish to fund in order to further bankrupt America.
At this point, I'll vote for whatever candidate gets that first, and I don't care what the letter is next to his or her name. Right now, it's Paul. Later, I hope it's someone else.
If not, then our fall as a power is at the beckon of a ticking timer.
rydawg5;995784 wrote:From the debates I've watched, Newt seems like he has what it takes to lead this country.
How? He's eloquent, and he speaks well on the fly.
majorspark;995802 wrote:Well if it was a world war like the last one and the rest of the industrialized world destroyed itself and we ramped up our industrial might unscathed it might just save our ass. At least is worked for us the last time.
Perfect answer to the aforementioned question.Cleveland Buck;995826 wrote:Back then our money was still worth something, and we were a creditor nation. We had money. We have nothing now. We really don't even have any credit anymore since we are just printing the money to buy our debt anyway. Are people going to work for free? We are going to mobilize for a world war while starving here at home? We would have to try to form a military dictatorship for it to work at all, only then we would need the military here instead of around the world because the fiercest fighting would be here against our own government.

majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Nov 30, 2011 11:27pm
I agree. There was a little veiled humor behind the comment. Also a veiled point that FDR and keynsian economics did not lift us out of the depression. Nearly all of the industrialized world was destroyed save us. Appearently no one got it.I Wear Pants;995815 wrote:I'd wager we'd be a battlefield in any new world war because of our position economically and militarily.

O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Nov 30, 2011 11:30pm
lol'dmajorspark;995902 wrote:... keynsian ec kkk eeeee a'l;jdfkjdafpoiq[puer[qper[pqi[poeripqoierp[oqip[eiq[owr[qrpiap[eiew[ economics ...
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I Wear Pants
Posts: 16,223
Nov 30, 2011 11:33pm
Be very direct with your humor or add a smiley when dealing with me. I am dumd.majorspark;995902 wrote:I agree. There was a little veiled humor behind the comment. Also a veiled point that FDR and keynsian economics did not lift us out of the depression. Nearly all of the industrialized world was destroyed save us. Appearently no one got it.

majorspark
Posts: 5,122
Nov 30, 2011 11:36pm
Yeah I deleted that. I am not sure WTF happened. It was not intentional. But it on second thought it did make an excellent point on how f'd up keynsian economics is.O-Trap;995906 wrote:lol'd
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I Wear Pants
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Nov 30, 2011 11:41pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/30/michele-bachmann-us-embassy-iran_n_1121873.html
Bachmann says if she is president she'll close the US Embassy in Iran.
Um...
Bachmann says if she is president she'll close the US Embassy in Iran.
Um...

Cleveland Buck
Posts: 5,126
Nov 30, 2011 11:43pm
Bachmann is a clown. Lucky for us she won't be president.