good for Cliff....but you'll have a hard time convincing me that that people in that stadium paid to see him and his .490 OPS and .208 BA. Hamels is actually the best hitting Phillie pitcher @ .250.


Face it...pitchers are negatives when it comes to the offensive side of the game. They add nothing. It becomes a contest of whether your pitcher is less a drag then the other pitcher. I would think that all of the guys hung up on the DH would be Tea Party-ers and Constitutionalists...can't violate the sanctity of the Constitution, can't violate the sanctity of the original rules of a game.

Grienke hit a HR yesterday and had 10 Ks, surprised he was able to climb the mound after trotting around the bases.

The Boss;777379 wrote:They have to work on that craft to a point where they can't work on hitting anyways, what the hell is the point?

Wilson Valdez laughs at pitchers who don't have time to work on hitting.

Grienke hit a HR yesterday and had 10 Ks, surprised he was able to climb the mound after trotting around the bases.

Now that is a powerful argument right there(sarcasm) citing the exception. Yeah, on any given nite a pitcher could hit the ball.

In fact, the top 50 pitchers by At Bat...do manage to get a hit once every 10 times! ....and so far they have driven in 57 runs in total in all games.

HitsRus;783051 wrote:Now that is a powerful argument right there(sarcasm) citing the exception. Yeah, on any given nite a pitcher could hit the ball.

In fact, the top 50 pitchers by At Bat...do manage to get a hit once every 10 times! ....and so far they have driven in 57 runs in total in all games.

If you get a hit 3 times out of 10 at bats and have a lengthy career, you are a HOFer.

Just checking a little further...ALL pitchers in ALL games have a total of 84 RBI.

If you get a hit 3 times out of 10 at bats and have a lengthy career, you are a HOFer.

...and hitting .200...the Mendoza line...is the standard of offensive futility.
Pitchers are hitting half that.

Zambrano had 3 hits yesterday.

Zambrano may the best hitting pitcher in the majors...and of course, if he is such a good hitter, there is no rule that says you HAVE to DH for him....

There are other pitchers who have been to the plate 20+ times and haven't sniffed a hit. God knows how many sacrifices were made too that don't even affect the .100 BA's. Don't get me wrong... baseball is great game either way. I just prefer and find it more exciting to see great pitching matched against great hitting.