Why is the American League so Much Better than the National League?

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May 20, 2011 2:57 PM
jordo212000;774923 wrote:True.. but at the same time interleague play isn't a round robin. (You don't play everybody). So in my opinion, that stat is skewed a little bit. Which is why so many people are against interleague play to begin with.

I would definitely agree that the AL has been better recently, but I think the National League has been closing the gap over the past couple of seasons.
Not correct....unless you are are saying that the American League hasn't been as crushing the last year or two.
May 20, 2011 2:57pm
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May 20, 2011 2:59 PM
The Boss;775090 wrote:I love when people say they're just stirring the pot in the first post and provide no actual argument or evidence of what they're saying and people STILL get in a pissing match over it.

Who gives a shit which league is better.
How much proof do you want Square? Do you want me to do all the googling again? LOL.
May 20, 2011 2:59pm
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May 20, 2011 3:02 PM
My OP is not only based on the head to head onslaught over the past decade, but the brutal decapitation in the All Star games. And then there is the World Series thingy as well.
May 20, 2011 3:02pm
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May 20, 2011 3:15 PM
Footwedge;775113 wrote:My OP is not only based on the head to head onslaught over the past decade, but the brutal decapitation in the All Star games. And then there is the World Series thingy as well.

The All Star games in which the NL holds a 3 game margin?
81 All-Star Games have been played (including two games per year from 1959-1962), with the National League winning 41, the American League 38, and 2 ties. The All-Star Game has seen several "eras" in which one league tended to dominate
May 20, 2011 3:15pm
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May 20, 2011 3:27 PM
Al Bundy;775065 wrote:It isn't just the last 10-15 years, the AL has historically dominated the World Series.
I agree, and that, for the most part, stems from the Yankees being in the American League. They dominated at least 3, possibly 4 decades of the 11 that baseball has been organized even close to similar to how it is now. It's tough to overcome just that single hurdle.
May 20, 2011 3:27pm
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May 20, 2011 3:27 PM
wildcats20;775126 wrote:The All Star games in which the NL holds a 3 game margin?
Pretty obvious what I meant. Since the interleague stuff happened, what's the record again?
May 20, 2011 3:27pm
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May 20, 2011 3:32 PM
In fact, I'd say that the New York Yankees are the single reason the American League has historically had more success than the National League if you look at results even back from 1901 to present day.
May 20, 2011 3:32pm
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May 20, 2011 3:34 PM
Footwedge;775109 wrote:How much proof do you want Square? Do you want me to do all the googling again? LOL.

Um, I was insinuating that this thread wasn't made to have a real argument, you admitted that you were just stirring the pot for fun basically. I forgot that you're a total fucking idiot so clearly I was wrong.
May 20, 2011 3:34pm
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May 20, 2011 3:56 PM
justincredible;775073 wrote:The AL should dominate the NL when it comes to interleague play. They are at a very large advantage when games are played in AL parks. They have a dedicated DH that is paid just to hit. NL teams have to throw in a reserve, non-starter as DH or start a reserve at another position to move a started into the DH role. I don't think there is that big of an advantage for the NL when they play at home.
Pretty much sums it up.
May 20, 2011 3:56pm
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May 20, 2011 4:13 PM
Azubuike24;775136 wrote:In fact, I'd say that the New York Yankees are the single reason the American League has historically had more success than the National League if you look at results even back from 1901 to present day.

The Yankees are 27-13 in the World Series that they have played in. If you take those 40 World Series out of the equation, the AL still has the lead.
May 20, 2011 4:13pm
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May 20, 2011 4:14 PM
Al Bundy;775164 wrote:The Yankees are 27-13 in the World Series that they have played in. If you take those 40 World Series out of the equation, the AL still has the lead.

Good for the American League.
May 20, 2011 4:14pm
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May 20, 2011 4:18 PM
justincredible;775073 wrote:The AL should dominate the NL when it comes to interleague play. They are at a very large advantage when games are played in AL parks. They have a dedicated DH that is paid just to hit. NL teams have to throw in a reserve, non-starter as DH or start a reserve at another position to move a started into the DH role. I don't think there is that big of an advantage for the NL when they play at home.

What about a pitcher having to bat that NEVER bats? Not many good hitting pitchers anyways but reps help.
May 20, 2011 4:18pm
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May 20, 2011 4:18 PM
justincredible;775073 wrote:The AL should dominate the NL when it comes to interleague play. They are at a very large advantage when games are played in AL parks. They have a dedicated DH that is paid just to hit. NL teams have to throw in a reserve, non-starter as DH or start a reserve at another position to move a started into the DH role. I don't think there is that big of an advantage for the NL when they play at home.

The DH on many AL teams hits in the middle of the lineup. It is a huge disadvantage to have your 3, 4 or 5 hitter possibly reduced to a pinch hitting role. NL pitchers get to bat every 5th day. AL pitchers bat maybe twice a season. I think both leagues should have the same set of rules, and my preference would be no DH.
May 20, 2011 4:18pm
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May 20, 2011 4:57 PM
I don't know if it is the fact that I have been an Indians fan my entire life or that I love watching good hitters, but I hate the NL game. Why do you make a guy that maybe didn't even hit for his own HIGH SCHOOL team grab a bat and try to put the ball in play against the best pitchers in the world? MLB Pitchers get paid to pitch, they aren't out there like the rest of the position players putting in the hours in the cage and in the video room working on their at-bats. I just don't understand why the NL can't catch up with the rest of the baseball world and accept the DH. I'd much rather watch Travis Hafner/David Ortiz/etc. hit than some pitcher bunt and watch the #8 hitter get pitched around because the guy hitting behind him isn't a Major League hitter.
May 20, 2011 4:57pm
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May 20, 2011 5:05 PM
The Boss;775170 wrote:What about a pitcher having to bat that NEVER bats? Not many good hitting pitchers anyways but reps help.

The difference between and NL pitcher and an AL pitcher hitting isn't as big as the difference between an AL DH and an NL reserve.
May 20, 2011 5:05pm
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May 20, 2011 5:06 PM
Al Bundy;775171 wrote:The DH on many AL teams hits in the middle of the lineup. It is a huge disadvantage to have your 3, 4 or 5 hitter possibly reduced to a pinch hitting role. NL pitchers get to bat every 5th day. AL pitchers bat maybe twice a season. I think both leagues should have the same set of rules, and my preference would be no DH.

AL teams usually seem to find a way to work their DH into the lineup in NL stadiums, at least that's the way it seems. Hafner usually plays 1B, right?
May 20, 2011 5:06pm
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May 20, 2011 5:07 PM
Wooball;775186 wrote:I don't know if it is the fact that I have been an Indians fan my entire life or that I love watching good hitters, but I hate the NL game. Why do you make a guy that maybe didn't even hit for his own HIGH SCHOOL team grab a bat and try to put the ball in play against the best pitchers in the world? MLB Pitchers get paid to pitch, they aren't out there like the rest of the position players putting in the hours in the cage and in the video room working on their at-bats. I just don't understand why the NL can't catch up with the rest of the baseball world and accept the DH. I'd much rather watch Travis Hafner/David Ortiz/etc. hit than some pitcher bunt and watch the #8 hitter get pitched around because the guy hitting behind him isn't a Major League hitter.

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May 20, 2011 5:07pm
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May 20, 2011 5:10 PM
The DH didn't exist when baseball was created. It shouldn't exist now.
May 20, 2011 5:10pm
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May 20, 2011 5:12 PM
justincredible;775196 wrote:The DH didn't exist when baseball was created. It shouldn't exist now.
Neither did baseball gloves or batting helmets. They shouldn't exist now either.
May 20, 2011 5:12pm
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May 20, 2011 5:13 PM
justincredible;775196 wrote:The DH didn't exist when baseball was created. It shouldn't exist now.

40,000+ seat stadiums didn't either. Neither did TV's. Neither did the internet or this website--or you for that matter. Those things shouldn't exist either.
May 20, 2011 5:13pm
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May 20, 2011 5:42 PM
The Boss;775199 wrote:40,000+ seat stadiums didn't either. Neither did TV's. Neither did the internet or this website--or you for that matter. Those things shouldn't exist either.

Well, these are irrelevant because they have nothing to do with the game itself. like_that brings up a valid point. However those were more for player safety.
May 20, 2011 5:42pm
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May 20, 2011 5:45 PM
Add me to the group that wants the DH to go away.

This is just me talking, but as a fan I would much rather watch National League games. I know it sounds counter intuitive since most pitchers suck at hitting, but I actually appreciate the strategy of the National League game (pinch hitting, relief pitching, double switches, etc)
May 20, 2011 5:45pm
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May 20, 2011 6:06 PM
justincredible;775196 wrote:The DH didn't exist when baseball was created. It shouldn't exist now.

I agree. Im an AL guy and I hate the DH. It takes so much of the strategy out of the game.
May 20, 2011 6:06pm
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May 20, 2011 6:15 PM
september63;775228 wrote:I agree. Im an AL guy and I hate the DH. It takes so much of the strategy out of the game.
You mean like hitting and scoring runs? That is the most basic strategy when trying to win a game. Pitchers are pitchers, not hitters.
May 20, 2011 6:15pm
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May 20, 2011 6:21 PM
The Boss;775235 wrote:You mean like hitting and scoring runs? That is the most basic strategy when trying to win a game. Pitchers are pitchers, not hitters.

No. Like when to PH for your pitcher down 2 in the 6th or 7th inning. Basically all the things Jordo mentioned.
May 20, 2011 6:21pm