KR1245
Posts: 4,317
May 26, 2011 11:36pm
karen lotz;782755 wrote:haha probably won't hear from any of those posters tonight.
Who said? I have seen this mentioned quite a few times
robj55
Posts: 9,511
May 26, 2011 11:37pm
KR1245;782746 wrote:hahha
Have you ever seen Anderson Varejoa play a game of basketball?
yes, and I respect him, but Noah's energy has more of an impact on the game, period
like_that
Posts: 26,625
May 26, 2011 11:37pm
hoops23;782737 wrote:Are we the same person? Because this is exactly the same scenario with me... I just won 50 bucks a piece from two Bulls fans that trolled the Cavs last year and blew off the Heat this year.
I continued to tell them that it was the Chicago Cavaliers this season.
Unfortunately I am not winning 50 bucks.
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
May 26, 2011 11:38pm
robj55;782760 wrote:yes, and I respect him, but Noah's energy has more of an impact on the game, period
Yeah, ok..
Andy made the Cavs as good as they were along with LeBron. When Andy was out for whatever reason, the Cavs were not the same team, defensively or in terms of bringing energy/hustle...
Andy was a key cog to those teams.
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
May 26, 2011 11:39pm
I think Pick6 was one of them, right?Good call to all of those who predicted that the series was over after game 1
haha probably won't hear from any of those posters tonight.
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
May 26, 2011 11:40pm
robj55;782754 wrote:Gibson is a better shooter, thats it
Asik is better defensively, more energy, better rotations and a better rebounder, Z was old
Brewer is better than moon, not sure where you get that, better rebounder, better defensively and off the dribble, even shooting
Ok then not Z...Hickson(who LBJ also had) is better than Asik without question.
Moon the year LBJ took em to the best record int he league had just as many rebounds and assists while shooting the same % from the field almost. And better from 3.
LBJ had some talent, as did Rose and they both took them to the best record in the league and made them better. You can be a combo guard and still make everyone around you better
robj55
Posts: 9,511
May 26, 2011 11:41pm
I'm not saying he's THAT much better, he's just better, more impact on the game and more skilled, no knock on Andersonhoops23;782762 wrote:Yeah, ok..
Andy made the Cavs as good as they were along with LeBron. When Andy was out for whatever reason, the Cavs were not the same team, defensively or in terms of bringing energy/hustle...
Andy was a key cog to those teams.
KR1245
Posts: 4,317
May 26, 2011 11:42pm
jordo212000;782763 wrote:I think Pick6 was one of them, right?
I dont know. I'm asking. You have mentioned this a couple times, I'm curious as to who said this series was over after 1 game?
You said "those" so I'm assuming that there were a few.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
May 26, 2011 11:44pm
you honestly believe he did all he could do to make his teammates better? He has a way to go still. I'm not a stat guy, I look at impact on the game and make decisions with my own eyesHb31187;782765 wrote:Ok then not Z...Hickson(who LBJ also had) is better than Asik without question.
Moon the year LBJ took em to the best record int he league had just as many rebounds and assists while shooting the same % from the field almost. And better from 3.
LBJ had some talent, as did Rose and they both took them to the best record in the league and made them better. You can be a combo guard and still make everyone around you better
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
May 26, 2011 11:45pm
I know he said it. We argued for a bit about it, but I am just on my phone so I'm not going to bother right now.
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
May 26, 2011 11:45pm
He took them to the best record int he league without 2 all star big men playing big chunks of the season.
Why do you think LBJ is amazing for doing that with a similar team, but think Rose has a way to go?
Why do you think LBJ is amazing for doing that with a similar team, but think Rose has a way to go?
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friendfromlowry
Posts: 6,239
May 26, 2011 11:47pm
Can you imagine how pissed the Bulls players/coach already is, then they send Craig fucking Sager in to interview them
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
May 26, 2011 11:47pm
Hey BR1986, is Lebron still not a "winner"?
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
May 26, 2011 11:47pm
KR1245;782769 wrote:I dont know. I'm asking. You have mentioned this a couple times, I'm curious as to who said this series was over after 1 game?
You said "those" so I'm assuming that there were a few.
Yeah Pick was one of them, then BR came on and gave his "opinion" of LeBron, even though he claims he didn't watch the game. Sleeper also was one of them, but I don't think he counts. The thread got moved to the basement if you'd like to check it out.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
May 26, 2011 11:47pm
Hb31187;782772 wrote:He took them to the best record int he league without 2 all star big men playing big chunks of the season.
Why do you think LBJ is amazing for doing that with a similar team, but think Rose has a way to go?
watch them play, is all I have to say, Lebron makes the right plays, decsions. Rose is a score first ball hog who doesn't make his teammates better, Chicago got the best record by playing unbelievable defense ALL season, Cavs did something similar last year and when it got to the playoffs their flaws showed just like the bulls and roses
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
May 26, 2011 11:51pm
PTIShow PTI
Not very efficient.Ernie Johnson just did the math: Derrick Rose scored 117 points in this series on 120 FGA.
robj55
Posts: 9,511
May 26, 2011 11:52pm
That's of course including all the points he scored from the line, not mvp like, I don't see a ton of people jumping his shit like they did lebron. Instead they are making excuses saying that he has to score that much and he's the only option, smh
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
May 26, 2011 11:53pm
robj55;782776 wrote:watch them play, is all I have to say, Lebron makes the right plays, decsions. Rose is a score first ball hog who doesn't make his teammates better, Chicago got the best record by playing unbelievable defense ALL season, Cavs did something similar last year and when it got to the playoffs their flaws showed just like the bulls and roses
He doesnt make his teamates better? So with Watson playing they would of made the playoffs as a 1 seed? Since his supporting cast is obviously made no better by Rose's presence?
And if Rose is such a ballhog, then why did he average less shots this year per game then LBJ did during each of the years he took them to the best record in the NBA. You dont have to be a pass first PG to make your team better and lead them to championships. Ask Tony Parker, Chauncey Billups and Derek Fisher
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
May 26, 2011 11:53pm
Thibs and Rose both alluding to "fouls" in their post game press conferences. Classy.
KR1245
Posts: 4,317
May 26, 2011 11:53pm
jordo212000;782774 wrote:Hey BR1986, is Lebron still not a "winner"?
Says that guy that "hates" Lebron James.
Did the Heat just win the finals? Maybe I'm confused
KR1245
Posts: 4,317
May 26, 2011 11:54pm
karen lotz;782786 wrote:Thibs and Rose both alluding to "fouls" in their post game press conferences. Classy.
Dont blame them
karen lotz
Posts: 22,284
May 26, 2011 11:57pm
KR1245;782788 wrote:Dont blame them
They had a 12 point lead with 3 minutes to go at home. Was there a foul on that last turnover by Rose?
KR1245
Posts: 4,317
May 27, 2011 12:03am
karen lotz;782791 wrote:They had a 12 point lead with 3 minutes to go at home. Was there a foul on that last turnover by Rose?
The Heat got the calls all series, superstars get the calls in the NBA and the Heat have more of them. Hubie Brown said something similar on the radio this morning. Thats just how it goes. I understand why they are frustrated.
I dont think its classless or anything like that
robj55
Posts: 9,511
May 27, 2011 12:03am
Hb31187;782785 wrote:He doesnt make his teamates better? So with Watson playing they would of made the playoffs as a 1 seed? Since his supporting cast is obviously made no better by Rose's presence?
And if Rose is such a ballhog, then why did he average less shots this year per game then LBJ did during each of the years he took them to the best record in the NBA. You dont have to be a pass first PG to make your team better and lead them to championships. Ask Tony Parker, Chauncey Billups and Derek Fisher
He obviously makes his TEAM better by being a dynamic scorer but he doesn't make his teammates better with his play making and decision making, how is that hard to understand? Did you really just say that Derek Fisher makes the Lakers better and led them to championships? You're stretching, no way you can defend Rose after that series he just had. Lebron should average more shots btw, he's a better scorer and he plays the wing, Rose is a POINT GUARD, that's the difference. Only Lebron can take as many shots and still make the right reads/plays almost every play.
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
May 27, 2011 12:07am
So LBJ is a player that makes his team better and is a great leader. Derek Rose is a ball hog who is all about himself and needs improvement making his team better.
And Btw, Lebron played Pg, just wasnt labeled as one bc they started Mo Williams. Everyone knows he was the PG of that team and the Pg of the heat as well.
LBJ's team has 2 other top 15 players int he league and doesnt get the #1 seed, and he averages 18.8 shots a game and 7 assists.
Rose has his 2nd best option (Boozer) injured most of the year, leads them to the best record in the league. Shoots 19.7 shots a game and averages 7.7 assists. So 1 more shot and more assists
How does LBJ make his team better than Rose makes his?
He had a shitty series, yes, not denying that. But 1 superstar cannot beat 3. Especially when you get no help. Kinda like LBJ vs the Celtics
And Btw, Lebron played Pg, just wasnt labeled as one bc they started Mo Williams. Everyone knows he was the PG of that team and the Pg of the heat as well.
LBJ's team has 2 other top 15 players int he league and doesnt get the #1 seed, and he averages 18.8 shots a game and 7 assists.
Rose has his 2nd best option (Boozer) injured most of the year, leads them to the best record in the league. Shoots 19.7 shots a game and averages 7.7 assists. So 1 more shot and more assists
How does LBJ make his team better than Rose makes his?
He had a shitty series, yes, not denying that. But 1 superstar cannot beat 3. Especially when you get no help. Kinda like LBJ vs the Celtics