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september63
Posts: 5,789
May 12, 2011 1:01pm
september63;766473 wrote:Nice move Brantley.
Through 3 innings: The Tribe has grounded out 5 times, SO 3 times and been picked off. Can they get the ball in the air against Shields today?
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
May 12, 2011 1:02pm
iclfan2;766468 wrote:Man I go to eat lunch and come back and they're down 4-0. I heard it was Choo's fault but I'm not certain? Guess we gotta come back today. It can be done, still early.
What? No. It was Masterson getting drilled for the whole 2nd inning. Choo had a ball hit to him (with 2 on), and the ball got over his head cause he took a step or 2 in, but it was a laser...im not sure he wouldve caught it anyway.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
May 12, 2011 1:10pm
Could really use a big fly from Pronk here.
september63
Posts: 5,789
May 12, 2011 1:36pm
Indians still dont have a fly ball out to the outfield through 5 innings.
royal_k
Posts: 4,423
May 12, 2011 1:43pm
Friend just called to play some golf. Bring the comeback boys. It would be a good one.
grodt
Posts: 1,588
May 12, 2011 1:52pm
There's a fly ball. Druby goes yard to lead off the 6th followed by a Choo single
september63
Posts: 5,789
May 12, 2011 1:53pm
Well Cabrera hit the HR I said Sheilds does give up. Problem was no one was on base.
Laley23
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May 12, 2011 2:01pm
Come on Duncan.
OneBuckeye
Posts: 5,888
May 12, 2011 2:09pm
With-in 3 runs at least they are back within striking distance.
september63
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May 12, 2011 2:11pm
Shields at 89 pitches after 6 innings. We will get our shot at the Rays Bullpen.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
May 12, 2011 2:44pm
Choo is just lost. Some atrocious swings recently.
september63
Posts: 5,789
May 12, 2011 2:48pm
Santana hasnt been much better. Atleast Choo got the run in.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
May 12, 2011 2:52pm
september63;766620 wrote:Santana hasnt been much better. Atleast Choo got the run in.
Santana is 10 for his last 30, and has put some very good swings on the ball.
september63
Posts: 5,789
May 12, 2011 3:00pm
For the season they are .221 and .225. BTW, the Tribe pen just blew any chance we had of a comeback. Oh well.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
May 12, 2011 3:03pm
september63;766633 wrote:For the season they are .221 and .225. BTW, the Tribe pen just blew any chance we had of a comeback. Oh well.
I realize that. But Im just talking about the last week. Choo has looked completely lost. He has taken about 5 half swings, and a few swings on fastballs where he lunges at it when its in the catchers glove after anticipating an offspeed pitch. Its been really bad.
You cant look at season averages anyway or your never going to be satisfied. Looking at smaller samples gives a much better perspective of how well someone is hitting. Santana was at like .195 last week. He has raised it to .220 in a week. That is good hitting.
mucalum49
Posts: 1,639
May 12, 2011 3:26pm
Not here to gloat but the Indians are definitely a better team then I thought. I saw the record and thought they'd come back to earth. They might have some struggles as all teams do, but I think they will contend this year; especially with their persistence late in games. Despite Choo and Satanta struggling the rest of the guys are performing at a level where maintaining it isn't out of the question. Adding those two at their usual performance will give the Indians a scary offense.
I liked the ESPN article someone posted today. Good to see some youngsters mentioned from the CC/Cliff trades as the future of the pitching staff. Maybe the trades weren't so bad afterall. I mean, Kyle Drabek/Mat Gamel/Domonic Brown haven't become the can't miss guys that everyone was so upset the Indians missed out on.
I liked the ESPN article someone posted today. Good to see some youngsters mentioned from the CC/Cliff trades as the future of the pitching staff. Maybe the trades weren't so bad afterall. I mean, Kyle Drabek/Mat Gamel/Domonic Brown haven't become the can't miss guys that everyone was so upset the Indians missed out on.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
May 12, 2011 3:34pm
mucalum49;766673 wrote:Good to see some youngsters mentioned from the CC/Cliff trades as the future of the pitching staff. Maybe the trades weren't so bad afterall.
No, they were still really bad trades.
As for today's game, Masterson was due to have a rough outing at some point. Can't expect a guy to deal every time out. Would love to see a sweep over the Ms this weekend.
Laley23
Posts: 29,506
May 12, 2011 5:14pm
mucalum49;766673 wrote:
I liked the ESPN article someone posted today. Good to see some youngsters mentioned from the CC/Cliff trades as the future of the pitching staff. Maybe the trades weren't so bad afterall. I mean, Kyle Drabek/Mat Gamel/Domonic Brown haven't become the can't miss guys that everyone was so upset the Indians missed out on.
meh, Drabek and Brown are already better than Donald, Carrasco, and Marson lol.
The CC Trade I think was good. We got Brantley and LaPorta, and even if they didnt pan out, it would be tough to fault them because they were so highly regarded. In the Phillies trade, if the guys dont pan out they deserve shit cause no one thought they would anyway!!!
As for contending this year. If we had gotten off to the fast start with offense, Id be skeptical. But we have done it with pitching, and that usually is a constant that doesnt go away. Thats why I am starting to believe a lot more, the pitching has gotten better with out supposed #2 going on the DL (though he is back).
hoops23
Posts: 15,696
May 12, 2011 9:23pm
I'd do the CC trade 10 times out of 10.
royal_k
Posts: 4,423
May 12, 2011 9:28pm
The Lee trade is still up in the air as far as what we got back. If Hagadone keeps up what he is doing this year, it will look a lot better. I realize the timing was bad, but the talent back is an unknown right now. And the CC trade is turning out to be a good one.
BRF
Posts: 8,748
May 12, 2011 9:35pm
Which one of you guys is going to pick up the ball and start the next thread? Let's put the engine back on the tracks and get it going!
royal_k
Posts: 4,423
May 12, 2011 9:37pm
TBone already started it....
BRF
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May 12, 2011 9:44pm
Thanks! I'll get off my crackberry and onto a real computer and see if I can find it.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
May 12, 2011 11:09pm
I don't get how the CC trade is turning out to be a good one at this point. We traded him in June, a month before the deadline, without making anyone up their antes. He was a Cy Young winner, and what have we got back?
Jackson was a bum, LaPorta hasn't even been average, and Bryson hasn't made the league yet and has injury history (although he's been very good when healthy, he's been injured as often as not).
Is Michael Brantley for CC a good trade at this point?
Jackson was a bum, LaPorta hasn't even been average, and Bryson hasn't made the league yet and has injury history (although he's been very good when healthy, he's been injured as often as not).
Is Michael Brantley for CC a good trade at this point?
riders1
Posts: 2,275
May 12, 2011 11:45pm
Phillies did deal Drabek for Halliday and even got Lee back, Hagadone was from Boston in the Victor trade, so neither deal is looking all that good right now.