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May 26, 2011 5:25 PM
Writerbuckeye;782169 wrote:
I'll disagree with you. One mistake like this in a man's life does not take away all the good he's done, and it doesn't extinguish his honor and integrity. If JT had a history of lying then you'd have a point; but I believe in giving people a second chance when they screw up like this. I know that's not the popular thing to say right now...everyone is in a feeding frenzy and don't want to stop and have a cogent thought.

His one acknowledged lie is a huge one, though. Second chances are fine. What people are interested in is whether it was his only lie or if it was just the only one in which he got caught. I agree that some of the things that keep getting rehashed don't really amount to much, but the fact that people are digging and looking is not unreasonable at all.

They may not find anything else and that would probably validate your opinion. But if there is more, why let him get away with it just because he had everyone fooled for so long before giving them a reason to doubt?
May 26, 2011 5:25pm
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May 26, 2011 5:30 PM
Similar cover up happened at Youngstown State. Its not the first mistake he's made.
May 26, 2011 5:30pm
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May 26, 2011 5:53 PM
karen lotz;782218 wrote:Similar cover up happened at Youngstown State. Its not the first mistake he's made.

I've heard this said before, but noone could provide a link...Lotzy, you seem to be able to find stuff like this, could you maybe come up with one? thanks
May 26, 2011 5:53pm
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May 26, 2011 5:59 PM
vball10set;782247 wrote:I've heard this said before, but noone could provide a link...Lotzy, you seem to be able to find stuff like this, could you maybe come up with one? thanks


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=1920867

I'm pretty sure that has it in there. Tressel was the AD (and Head Coach obviously) during all of the crap went on with Ray Isaac. He told the NCAA and Youngstown State officials that he had investigated and there were no violations. Isaac and the booster involved had slightly different accounts of what happened.
May 26, 2011 5:59pm
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May 26, 2011 6:05 PM
Small's latest comments, exactly what I expected to see today

RT @SmallyMcfly The Media is the devil if people really think I said these unruly thing about the teamates that I love... Now I did tell them about myself
May 26, 2011 6:05pm
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May 26, 2011 6:14 PM
karen lotz;782252 wrote:http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=1920867

I'm pretty sure that has it in there. Tressel was the AD (and Head Coach obviously) during all of the crap went on with Ray Isaac. He told the NCAA and Youngstown State officials that he had investigated and there were no violations. Isaac and the booster involved had slightly different accounts of what happened.

thanks--as I said, I had heard this from several people, but have never actually seen an account of what happened
May 26, 2011 6:14pm
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May 26, 2011 6:16 PM
JerseyBuck;782253 wrote:Small's latest comments, exactly what I expected to see today

RT @SmallyMcfly The Media is the devil if people really think I said these unruly thing about the teamates that I love... Now I did tell them about myself

LOL-- to me, this is just another case of tnb by a tn....smh
May 26, 2011 6:16pm
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May 26, 2011 6:20 PM
JerseyBuck;782147 wrote:Anybody catch Malcolm Jenkins on College Football Live? If not check it out when it comes back on at 6, he did a great job. He said Coach Tressel and the staff do a good job in laying out to players AND their families the rules. He also said it's up to the player whether they choose to ignore it or follow. Also said that while Ray Small and his small circle may have done it, the vast majority followed the rules.

just saw it, and it's spot on...also, I liked Robert Smith's comments that today's revelation by Small weren't taken as a big hit by Buckeye fans--it's the hiding, and then lieing about, the information given to Coach Tressel concerning tatoogate that could lead to JT's demise
May 26, 2011 6:20pm
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May 26, 2011 8:20 PM
you're right--I don't like Hooley...never have, never will--I even stopped watching Buckeye Blitz when he was on it
May 26, 2011 8:20pm
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May 26, 2011 8:40 PM
karen lotz;782218 wrote:Similar cover up happened at Youngstown State. Its not the first mistake he's made.

No it's not. It's so hilarious that so many people bring up YSU when no one knows what really happened they just go along with heresay.

From that article you posted Lotz that makes you think he was "guilty" of something at YSU.
Isaac said Tressel never knew about the payments, and the NCAA found no evidence that he did
It's the same thing here with Ray Small. Tressel educated players about the rules, players went around his back and broke them. Tressel can't be holding the hands of 80 college football players and be aware of their whereabouts and doings 24/7. The best he can do is teach them the rules, hope they follow them, and step in if he's aware of something going on. He didn't in the OSU case, and that is why he's at fault for that, but he isn't guilty in the YSU case like everyone makes him out to be.
May 26, 2011 8:40pm
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May 26, 2011 8:51 PM
But as would be the case later with Clarett, questions would arise about how much Tressel and his bosses really wanted to know. In January 1994, a month after winning the team's second national title, Youngstown State got a letter from the NCAA notifying the school that an anonymous tipster had blown the whistle on Monus and Isaac. Just one month later, based on assurances by Tressel and athletic director Joe Malmisur, school president Leslie Cochran informed the NCAA that there was no substance to the allegations. The NCAA promptly dropped the matter.Youngstown State's internal investigation was a sham. So little diligence went into pursuit of truth that Malmisur never confronted Monus with the allegations, nor apparently did Tressel contact Isaac, as Cochran said he had instructed them to do. Tressel, in a December 2003 interview, declined comment to ESPN.com on most aspects of the case but said he can't remember if he discussed the Monus allegations with his former player. Isaac is more definitive: "I didn't talk to nobody."
So Tressel assured Youngstown State there were no violations, but didn't talk to either person involved after recieving a tip that something had gone on? And Tressel couldn't remember if he discussed the allegations with Isaac? Just like some on here said he could have forgotten about receiving emails from Cicero?
May 26, 2011 8:51pm
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May 26, 2011 9:16 PM
KnightRyder;782188 wrote:maybe the ncaa didnt find any wrong doing when clarett made his allegations, but the list of buckeyes that got into trouble or got arrested showed that clarett was pretty much accurate in his allegations.

Please find me a link ANYWHERE that shows how any of the arrests or misdeeds by Ohio State players in that era had anything to do with Clarett and his allegations.

You won't find it, because it doesn't exist except in your mind.
May 26, 2011 9:16pm
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May 26, 2011 9:22 PM
The YSU stuff is irrelevant. However if anyone thinks there wasn't shady stuff going on at YSU that Tressel was aware of they are too naive to have a relevant opinion.
May 26, 2011 9:22pm
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May 26, 2011 9:53 PM
WebFire;782352 wrote:Nothing new, but a fair article I think. This could be the worst thing for the Buckeyes right now; the media and the long, drawn out process, will create plenty of writing/smearing opportunities. QUOTE]

Thats all its been. Theres blood in the water and all the sharks are out. Everybody is trying to make a name for themself.
May 26, 2011 9:53pm
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May 26, 2011 11:39 PM
Writerbuckeye;782336 wrote:Please find me a link ANYWHERE that shows how any of the arrests or misdeeds by Ohio State players in that era had anything to do with Clarett and his allegations.

You won't find it, because it doesn't exist except in your mind.
According to a list compiled by The Associated Press, 20 Ohio State players were arrested or faced disciplinary action for rules violations between Tressel’s hiring in 2001 and 2005, though the athletic director Gene Smith said there had been no instances of misconduct the past two seasons.

A number of the arrests were alcohol-related, but one player pleaded guilty to robbery, and another pleaded guilty to felony charges related to drug and gun possession. Two others were suspended after being charged with marijuana trafficking and passing fake in-house currency at a strip club.

Quarterback Troy Smith, who this season brought Ohio State its seventh Heisman Trophy, was convicted of misdemeanor disorderly conduct after a 2003 fight in a campus parking lot, where, a woman reported, her jaw had been broken. He was later suspended for two games bridging the 2004 and 2005 seasons after accepting about $500 from a booster.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/03/sports/ncaafootball/03tressel.html?pagewanted=print
thers is your link. now find someone to read it to you
May 26, 2011 11:39pm
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May 26, 2011 11:51 PM
KnightRyder;782764 wrote:According to a list compiled by The Associated Press, 20 Ohio State players were arrested or faced disciplinary action for rules violations between Tressel’s hiring in 2001 and 2005, though the athletic director Gene Smith said there had been no instances of misconduct the past two seasons.

A number of the arrests were alcohol-related, but one player pleaded guilty to robbery, and another pleaded guilty to felony charges related to drug and gun possession. Two others were suspended after being charged with marijuana trafficking and passing fake in-house currency at a strip club.

Quarterback Troy Smith, who this season brought Ohio State its seventh Heisman Trophy, was convicted of misdemeanor disorderly conduct after a 2003 fight in a campus parking lot, where, a woman reported, her jaw had been broken. He was later suspended for two games bridging the 2004 and 2005 seasons after accepting about $500 from a booster.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/03/sports/ncaafootball/03tressel.html?pagewanted=print
thers is your link. now find someone to read it to you

Reading is fundamental...perhaps you can have your nanny read that to you. Here's what I asked for:

Please find me a link ANYWHERE that shows how any of the arrests or misdeeds by Ohio State players in that era had anything to do with Clarett and his allegations.

What you provided did NOT link any of those misdeeds to Clarett's allegations.

None.

Nada.

Zero.

Zip.
May 26, 2011 11:51pm
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May 27, 2011 2:02 AM
Writerbuckeye;782781 wrote:Reading is fundamental...perhaps you can have your nanny read that to you. Here's what I asked for:

Please find me a link ANYWHERE that shows how any of the arrests or misdeeds by Ohio State players in that era had anything to do with Clarett and his allegations.

What you provided did NOT link any of those misdeeds to Clarett's allegations.

None.

Nada.

Zero.

Zip.
actually you are wrong again. which is no surprise
May 27, 2011 2:02am
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May 27, 2011 2:49 AM
KnightRyder;782844 wrote:actually you are wrong again. which is no surprise

Explain how he is wrong. What you posted has nothing to do with Clarett and his allegations. Two mutually exclusive situations. Wouldn't expect anything more from you though.
May 27, 2011 2:49am
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May 27, 2011 8:32 AM
LJ;782302 wrote:He makes some good points, but he is just so goddamn arrogant and condescending towards the fanbase I just can't stand him.

spot on
May 27, 2011 8:32am
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May 27, 2011 9:57 AM
dwccrew;782849 wrote:Explain how he is wrong. What you posted has nothing to do with Clarett and his allegations. Two mutually exclusive situations. Wouldn't expect anything more from you though.

clarett had several allegations including drug use and money from boosters. the link i posted covered that. so that is how he is wrong. maybe i should have i have broken that down and explained it better . i forgot some buckeye fans have a hard time seeing what they are looking at. the scarlet and gray glasses cloud things a bit.
May 27, 2011 9:57am
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May 27, 2011 9:59 AM
Did Tressel do anything to stop these guys from getting extra benefits? I was just reading a SI article on the USC penalties and they compared it to USC's situation. In my mind what made USC so bad was I think they knew it was going on and did nothing to stop it. I assume that once Tressel finds out about this stuff he says something to the players and they try to put a stop to it, but I don't know if that actually happened. And yes it's still a NCAA violation and he deserves some punishment, but it's not as bad IMO if he did something to make sure it stopped. (If it comes out that he knew about it and let it continue then I will say it's time for him to go, but not before then.)
May 27, 2011 9:59am
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May 27, 2011 10:02 AM
KnightRyder;783002 wrote:clarett had several allegations including drug use and money from boosters. the link i posted covered that. so that is how he is wrong. maybe i should have i have broken that down and explained it better . i forgot some buckeye fans have a hard time seeing what they are looking at. the scarlet and gray glasses cloud things a bit.

I can admit there was some shady stuff going on with Clarett, but nothing was ever proved (that went unpunished) and you don't know the school had any knowledge of it going on. Nothing OSU does, besides shutting down, will make you happy. Hate on...
May 27, 2011 10:02am