Just one more reason to have a surrogate. The main being the ability to still binge drink.

Fab4Runner;761256 wrote:

Just one more reason to have a surrogate. The main being the ability to still binge drink.

+1

Fab4Runner;761256 wrote:

Just one more reason to have a surrogate. The main being the ability to still binge drink.

LMAO. Nice.

So as a midwife, what will your gf do in that situation? Hopefully she is trained to handle emergency situations. When I birthed my baby, my uterus inverted and I hemorrohaged and had to be rushed to surgery. Had I not been at the hospital I would have died. I don't understand why women would take that chance.

power i;761311 wrote:So as a midwife, what will your gf do in that situation? Hopefully she is trained to handle emergency situations. When I birthed my baby, my uterus inverted and I hemorrohaged and had to be rushed to surgery. Had I not been at the hospital I would have died. I don't understand why women would take that chance.

She won't being doing home births. She'll be at a birthing center. So if she were delivering your baby you still would've been rushed to surgery. People who have babies in bath tubs are nuts.

Also she is trained to stitch the women up. I was just in shock when she explaining how this happened, apparently the woman had a 9 or 10 pound baby can't imagine the pain of my taint ripping through my asshole.

A guy I work with is friends with some crazy lady who gave birth to her child at home on a tarp.

Raw Dawgin' it;761317 wrote:can't imagine the pain of my taint ripping through my asshole.

Getting it cut isn't much better.

The cutting is over in seconds. The ordeal of waiting for it to heal is what sucks. Afraid to even cough...

power i;761311 wrote:So as a midwife, what will your gf do in that situation? Hopefully she is trained to handle emergency situations. When I birthed my baby, my uterus inverted and I hemorrohaged and had to be rushed to surgery. Had I not been at the hospital I would have died. I don't understand why women would take that chance.

I'm no home birth advocate, but if you look at overall outcomes, there's a very good argument to be made that our heavily medical approach results in worse outcomes for women, on the whole. Many women would be well served by doing a bit of research before they rely entirely on a doctor's advice as to how to handle their delivery.

fan_from_texas;761432 wrote:I'm no home birth advocate, but if you look at overall outcomes, there's a very good argument to be made that our heavily medical approach results in worse outcomes for women, on the whole. Many women would be well served by doing a bit of research before they rely entirely on a doctor's advice as to how to handle their delivery.

What other advice would you seek other than someone who has studied 7-10 years in medicine and and obstetrics?

fan_from_texas;761432 wrote:I'm no home birth advocate, but if you look at overall outcomes, there's a very good argument to be made that our heavily medical approach results in worse outcomes for women, on the whole. Many women would be well served by doing a bit of research before they rely entirely on a doctor's advice as to how to handle their delivery.

smh

chicago510;761487 wrote:What other advice would you seek other than someone who has studied 7-10 years in medicine and and obstetrics?

First, realize that the doctor is not necessarily looking out for your best interests, so you're well advised to do some research and consider things for yourself. E.g., I don't think anyone can seriously argue that we need all the C-sections that we have, and yet they continue to increase because they're much more convenient for doctors and hospitals make a lot more money off it. The long-term health outcomes for women with c-sections are worse; it destroys muscle, it increases the chance of infection, it requires a longer recovery time.

That's not to say that c-sections are bad. Clearly, in some instances they're essential to keeping the baby alive. But I don't think anyone can really argue that we need as many as we have. Compare our outcomes to any other developed country and you'll see what I mean.

Or, for another example, many women go in, lay down on the bed, shoot up with an epidural, and then have their contractions stop. The doctor sees this, gives them pitocin to speed things up, which increases the pain, which requires another epidural, etc. Then, because things aren't progressing past some arbitrary time--because the women is lying down instead of walking or sitting on a birthing ball, and because the epidural has numbed her from the waist down so she can't have productive contractions/pushing--we immediately jump to a c-section, despite it not being medically necessary.

Women throughout history and throughout the rest of the world have been much more active during labor, and it's really only the US in the last few decades that has gone over to the "women in bed not moving while drugged up" model. Walking around during labor dramatically speeds it up and makes the process move along.

Like I said, I'm no advocate for home births. We had our baby born in a hospital. But there certainly are situations where a doctor/hospital have interests that are not aligned with the patient, and it's important to be aware of that. As an analogy, if you went in to a car mechanic, and every time, they recommended the most expensive possible fix, you'd be silly not to get a second opinion or to do some research on your own, even if they're been doing this their entire life. When you're dealing with something as important as child birth, you're crazy not to do some reading on your own.

fan_from_texas;761521 wrote:First, realize that the doctor is not necessarily looking out for your best interests, so you're well advised to do some research and consider things for yourself. E.g., I don't think anyone can seriously argue that we need all the C-sections that we have, and yet they continue to increase because they're much more convenient for doctors and hospitals make a lot more money off it. The long-term health outcomes for women with c-sections are worse; it destroys muscle, it increases the chance of infection, it requires a longer recovery time.

That's not to say that c-sections are bad. Clearly, in some instances they're essential to keeping the baby alive. But I don't think anyone can really argue that we need as many as we have. Compare our outcomes to any other developed country and you'll see what I mean.

Or, for another example, many women go in, lay down on the bed, shoot up with an epidural, and then have their contractions stop. The doctor sees this, gives them pitocin to speed things up, which increases the pain, which requires another epidural, etc. Then, because things aren't progressing past some arbitrary time--because the women is lying down instead of walking or sitting on a birthing ball, and because the epidural has numbed her from the waist down so she can't have productive contractions/pushing--we immediately jump to a c-section, despite it not being medically necessary.

Women throughout history and throughout the rest of the world have been much more active during labor, and it's really only the US in the last few decades that has gone over to the "women in bed not moving while drugged up" model. Walking around during labor dramatically speeds it up and makes the process move along.

Like I said, I'm no advocate for home births. We had our baby born in a hospital. But there certainly are situations where a doctor/hospital have interests that are not aligned with the patient, and it's important to be aware of that. As an analogy, if you went in to a car mechanic, and every time, they recommended the most expensive possible fix, you'd be silly not to get a second opinion or to do some research on your own, even if they're been doing this their entire life. When you're dealing with something as important as child birth, you're crazy not to do some reading on your own.

Good post, i heard the gf go on about all these points. She tells women close to going into labor to have sex and eat hot wings ha

My wife was pulling weeds in the yard at home 5 days after our due date, her water broke at home that night during an awful Miley Cyrus movie ---- it was the babiy's way of saying "get me away from this Miley shit". 1 stitch for her, but I've heard stories. We went with a hospital birth for the reason of "if something goes wrong, I want to be at a hospital".


I'm very skeptical of the entire health system, pretty much everything about it pisses me off and there isn't really anything you can do about it.

Our doctor wanted to induce my wife 2 days after her due date, for no medical reason, but because she wanted to deliver the baby, and she was not going to be the doctor from the group at the hospital for another week. I partially believe this was because my wife's entire family has gone to her forever (2 sisters and mom), and it was the first birth of the family, but I think it was also largely in part due to the fact that the doctor from the group who does the delivery gets to bank a couple grand from the event.

On a somewhat related note, my wife had a random kidney stone 2 weeks ago, first one ever, and she doesn't really fall into any of the categories of the type of person who would get a kidney stone. Anyways, the bill finally got posted online on my health carrier's site --- $10,104. I LOL'd at it. 4am ER visit, and kept as a 'precaution' until 6PM that night', so 14 hours...Goodbye HSA balance.

fan_from_texas;761432 wrote:I'm no home birth advocate, but if you look at overall outcomes, there's a very good argument to be made that our heavily medical approach results in worse outcomes for women, on the whole. Many women would be well served by doing a bit of research before they rely entirely on a doctor's advice as to how to handle their delivery.

Yeah, but when you're 13 you really don't feel like doing all that research.














j/k

power i;761592 wrote:Yeah, but when you're 13 you really don't feel like doing all that research.


j/k

Heh.

Fab4Runner;761256 wrote:

Just one more reason to have a surrogate. The main being the ability to still binge drink.

If Wildcats screws things up with you, he will be beaten. You are a diamond in the rough.

justincredible;761320 wrote:A guy I work with is friends with some crazy lady who gave birth to her child at home on a tarp.

Was this crazy lady the family dog?

dwccrew;761826 wrote:If Wildcats screws things up with you, he will be beaten. You are a diamond in the rough.

Aww that's the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me.

I got cut when I delivered, and though the healing sucked, I'd dfinitely take that over healing from a massive tear any day. I was "out of commission" for 3 weeks (and that was his choice. I would have been back at it after about a week)

FFT, I went in absolutely positive I'd get an epidural. I ended up with a couple shots of narcotic (which was long gone by the time I delivered) instead, and am so glad I went without. I think I would have wound up having a c-section if I had the epidural because I don't think I would have been able to push as well or as long as I did.