Ty Webb
Posts: 2,798
Apr 26, 2011 10:05pm
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2011/04/25/ac.tuchman.birther.part1.cnn
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2011/04/25/exp.arena.obama.birther.cnn.cnn
http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/25/birthers.obama.hawaii/index.html
Dr. Chiyome Fukino, a former director of the Hawaii Department of Health and a Republican, told CNN in her most extensive comments to date that she has "no doubt" Obama was born in the state.
The president's certificate, she said, is stored in a vault in the building that houses the Department of Health. Ironically, unlike the certificate of live birth, it is no longer accepted for official usage.
Obama's certificate is "absolutely authentic," she said. "He was absolutely born here in the state of Hawaii."
If Trump and others keep pushing this....it will destroy the GOP
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2011/04/25/exp.arena.obama.birther.cnn.cnn
http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/25/birthers.obama.hawaii/index.html
Dr. Chiyome Fukino, a former director of the Hawaii Department of Health and a Republican, told CNN in her most extensive comments to date that she has "no doubt" Obama was born in the state.
The president's certificate, she said, is stored in a vault in the building that houses the Department of Health. Ironically, unlike the certificate of live birth, it is no longer accepted for official usage.
Obama's certificate is "absolutely authentic," she said. "He was absolutely born here in the state of Hawaii."
If Trump and others keep pushing this....it will destroy the GOP
BGFalcons82
Posts: 2,173
Apr 27, 2011 8:59am
Just a thought, Ty:
I hear the State of Hawaii won't let just anyone see the birth certificates. OK, I understand privacy. The POTUS isn't just anyone...agreed?
What if (and I know you can't ever admit it will ever happen) a Republican wins the Presidency? What if said Republican goes to Hawaii and demands to see said certificate? What if they can't find it? What would happen to anything Obama signed while POTUS if it's determined he wasn't Constitutionally qualified to be POTUS? I'm not a birther, but the fact he won't do anything to prove himself only makes those that believe he's a Kenyan stronger.
I hear the State of Hawaii won't let just anyone see the birth certificates. OK, I understand privacy. The POTUS isn't just anyone...agreed?
What if (and I know you can't ever admit it will ever happen) a Republican wins the Presidency? What if said Republican goes to Hawaii and demands to see said certificate? What if they can't find it? What would happen to anything Obama signed while POTUS if it's determined he wasn't Constitutionally qualified to be POTUS? I'm not a birther, but the fact he won't do anything to prove himself only makes those that believe he's a Kenyan stronger.
Bigred1995
Posts: 1,042
Apr 27, 2011 9:04am
BGFalcons82;751357 wrote:Just a thought, Ty:
I hear the State of Hawaii won't let just anyone see the birth certificates. OK, I understand privacy. The POTUS isn't just anyone...agreed?
What if (and I know you can't ever admit it will ever happen) a Republican wins the Presidency? What if said Republican goes to Hawaii and demands to see said certificate? What if they can't find it? What would happen to anything Obama signed while POTUS if it's determined he wasn't Constitutionally qualified to be POTUS? I'm not a birther, but the fact he won't do anything to prove himself only makes those that believe he's a Kenyan stronger.
What makes you think that The President (regardless of political affiliation) has any more rights to private documents than any other citizen? The laws of the land extend to everyone, including The President!
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Bigdogg
Posts: 1,429
Apr 27, 2011 9:42am
BGFalcons82;751357 wrote:Just a thought, Ty:
I hear the State of Hawaii won't let just anyone see the birth certificates. OK, I understand privacy. The POTUS isn't just anyone...agreed?
What if (and I know you can't ever admit it will ever happen) a Republican wins the Presidency? What if said Republican goes to Hawaii and demands to see said certificate? What if they can't find it? What would happen to anything Obama signed while POTUS if it's determined he wasn't Constitutionally qualified to be POTUS? I'm not a birther, but the fact he won't do anything to prove himself only makes those that believe he's a Kenyan stronger.
BG about to have a bad day today. Birther conspiracy theory shot down.
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fan_from_texas
Posts: 2,693
Apr 27, 2011 9:51am
Can we put this to rest already?
You can view the birth certificate at http://abovethelaw.com/2011/04/obama-releases-long-form-birth-certificate/#more-69492.
You can view the birth certificate at http://abovethelaw.com/2011/04/obama-releases-long-form-birth-certificate/#more-69492.
OneBuckeye
Posts: 5,888
Apr 27, 2011 9:56am
I just don't get why he didn't release it during his initial campaign when all this was brought up. This whole thing makes 0 sense.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Apr 27, 2011 9:59am
ABC News is airing a "Special Report" about the release of The Birth Certificate. Riveting stuff. :rolleyes:
LJ
Posts: 16,351
Apr 27, 2011 10:00am
OneBuckeye;751382 wrote:I just don't get why he didn't release it during his initial campaign when all this was brought up. This whole thing makes 0 sense.
Campaign tactic. Garnering sympathy. Can't really blame him for it.
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Prescott
Posts: 2,569
Apr 27, 2011 10:14am
Donald Trump proves he can get things done.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Apr 27, 2011 10:31am
I have never been a "birther" by any means, more of a "just show it already" type of guy. However, BHO DEFINITELY held it off for campaign reasons.
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Prescott
Posts: 2,569
Apr 27, 2011 10:36am
Can you elaborate?? What did he gain or what would he have lost had he produced it pre-election?However, BHO DEFINITELY held it off for campaign reasons.
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jmog
Posts: 6,567
Apr 27, 2011 10:42am
Prescott;751420 wrote:Can you elaborate?? What did he gain or what would he have lost had he produced it pre-election?
He gained "sympathy" votes from those who believed the "birthers" were retarded and/or racists.
If he came right out with it the whole "birther" crowd never really exists.
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Apr 27, 2011 10:48am
Prescott;751420 wrote:Can you elaborate?? What did he gain or what would he have lost had he produced it pre-election?
My guess: when only about 15 percent or so believed he was born outside the US, it was a help politically because probably most of those were hard-core conservatives. When polls showed 38 percent questioning whether he was born in the US, it became a political liability.
I posted earlier I thought he was born in the US, but wondered if there was something else on the certificate he didn't want released. Obviously, I was wrong and he was just playing silly games. More proof to me that he's really not presidential "material" when it comes down to it.
BGFalcons82
Posts: 2,173
Apr 27, 2011 11:17am
Bigdogg;751373 wrote:BG about to have a bad day today. Birther conspiracy theory shot down.
Reading Is Fundamental, Mr. Dogg. Re-read my last sentence.
As many others have stated on here, the whole situation of how this was handled by him is perplexing. The fact he let it mushroom to its current state of affairs is disturbing. I think he enjoyed the sideshow, but since it was becoming a daily nuisance instead of a weekly one, he actually had to do something to end it. I'm glad it's over so now we can get to more important matters, like the IMF report, the tsunami of debt, and why he won't allow drilling for oil in the Arctic.
fish82
Posts: 4,111
Apr 27, 2011 11:51am
This.Prescott;751403 wrote:Donald Trump proves he can get things done.
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Bigdogg
Posts: 1,429
Apr 27, 2011 12:00pm
I fixed it for you.Writerbuckeye;751439 wrote: I was wrong.
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stlouiedipalma
Posts: 1,797
Apr 27, 2011 12:01pm
Of course Obama was using this as a political tool. He waited until The Donald wrapped his arms completely around this issue and then he shot him down. Now Trump has nothing to get exposure with, other than demanding to see Obama's college transcripts. He will soon fade away, probably after the season finale of The Celebrity Apprentice when he announces that he won't run for President.
There's always next season...
There's always next season...
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september63
Posts: 5,789
Apr 27, 2011 12:11pm
Prescott;751403 wrote:Donald Trump proves he can get things done.
Ha. You are kidding right? President Obama gave Trump just enough rope to hang himself. Watch how fast the GOP distances itself from the Donald now. IMO Trump was roasting Obama over this issue because he (Trump) has nothing of value to add in any discussions involving the more pertinent issues involving US or World causes.
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Apr 27, 2011 12:16pm
september63;751522 wrote:Ha. You are kidding right? President Obama gave Trump just enough rope to hang himself. Watch how fast the GOP distances itself from the Donald now. IMO Trump was roasting Obama over this issue because he (Trump) has nothing of value to add in any discussions involving the more pertinent issues involving US or World causes.
I thought The President was a better politician than that. If he's focusing on Donald Trump his efforts are in the wrong area. In fact, it would be in the best interest of the President that the Republican party jumped on the Trump band wagon because he won't be elected.
jhay78
Posts: 1,917
Apr 27, 2011 12:18pm
september63;751522 wrote:Ha. You are kidding right? President Obama gave Trump just enough rope to hang himself. Watch how fast the GOP distances itself from the Donald now. IMO Trump was roasting Obama over this issue because he (Trump) has nothing of value to add in any discussions involving the more pertinent issues involving US or World causes.
Can you explain how or when anyone in the GOP embraced Trump? Sure he had a forum on conservative talk shows, but most of the "establishment" GOP'ers have been mocking him.
september63
Posts: 5,789
Apr 27, 2011 12:20pm
Con_Alma;751529 wrote:I thought The President was a better politician than that. If he's focusing on Donald Trump his efforts are in the wrong area. In fact, it would be in the best interest of the President that the Republican party jumped on the Trump band wagon because he won't be elected.
Your opinion. I dont happen to agree. Im not saying the President will get re-elected. I'm saying Trump was just made to look like a buffoon!!
jhay78
Posts: 1,917
Apr 27, 2011 12:20pm
Bigred1995;751358 wrote:What makes you think that The President (regardless of political affiliation) has any more rights to private documents than any other citizen? The laws of the land extend to everyone, including The President!
Or not . . .
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Con_Alma
Posts: 12,198
Apr 27, 2011 12:29pm
september63;751535 wrote:Your opinion. I dont happen to agree. Im not saying the President will get re-elected. I'm saying Trump was just made to look like a buffoon!!
Of course it's my opinion. Whose else would it be?
Trump doesn't need someone else's help to look like a buffoon. He is a buffoon and I'm confident the President knows that people are aware of that. The President is crazy if he's worried about what a buffoon is saying that has no chance of being a legitimate candidate.
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Prescott
Posts: 2,569
Apr 27, 2011 1:18pm
Not kidding at all. This has been issue for more than two years.All Barry had to do was release the document that was released today and there would never have been a "Birther" issue.Suddenly, when Trump starts spouting off, the 'Birther" issue became a distraction that had to be dealt with so Barry could concentrate on the important issues. Right!!!Ha. You are kidding right?
Do you really think that Donald Trump did not know that Barry was born in Hawaii??
Writerbuckeye
Posts: 4,745
Apr 27, 2011 1:35pm
Bigdogg;751505 wrote:I fixed it for you.
I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong -- unlike some on here.
All of you having fun and gloating about how Obama made Trump look foolish have it backwards. Any president that stoops to this level has clearly shown his ass for all the world to see.