Glory Days;752692 wrote:To who? who conducts the background check on the candidates? congress? the supreme court?

You're asking the wrong person, but it has been reported and documented several times that he provided what was required. I remember reading/watching something regarding the Birther Bill in Arizona. One of the reasons the Governor shut it down was due to the fact that it was already a federal law in the Constitution.

bigkahuna;752705 wrote:You're asking the wrong person, but it has been reported and documented several times that he provided what was required. I remember reading/watching something regarding the Birther Bill in Arizona. One of the reasons the Governor shut it down was due to the fact that it was already a federal law in the Constitution.

During this whole debate, thats all i wanted to know haha. is it really just left up to the media to fact check candidates?

Writerbuckeye;751932 wrote:Not really. All he had to do was release the damn thing a couple years ago when the issue first cropped up and we're not to this point.

For whatever reason, he chose to drag this out and cause the very distraction he then decries in his press conference. If he didn't want this to keep following him, all he had to do was release it when first asked. Obviously, it wasn't the huge legal hurdle he and his staff made it out to be.

Handling it this was shows a really immature, petty mind. Not the kind of character I want in a president.

I disagree. I think Obama handled this one correctly. It seems to me that the birther movement was largely pushed by conspiracy-theory types who were upset that someone other than an upper-class WASP was President. I don't think the President has an obligation to respond to every charge from fringe groups, as doing so only serves to legitimize them and encourage them further (see, e.g., Trump's press conference, where now he is insisting that Obama release his college and law school grades. Where does this end?). When the issue didn't go away, and he realized that more people started to believe it, he properly released the records, which should put this to rest.

While I disagree with many of Obama's policies, this whole birther nonsense needs to come to an end. From my perspective, people who continue to harp on it appear to be racist xenophobes who can't stand the thought that someone not like them was elected, and are now using the birther issue as a pretext for latent (blatant?) racism.

Seriously, the issue is dead; he handled it reasonably; people need to move on.

Great Post FFT

A lot of people, like me, believed he was born in the US but couldn't understand why he simply didn't release the certificate right away and end all the speculation as to WHY he would balk at doing so.

And he didn't handle it well. A leader doesn't act like a petulant child on something he can end in one day, and then turn around and decry how much time was wasted on this that could have been focused on other things. He had the power to end it quickly and chose not to; so he is decrying something HE alone perpetuated since nobody could release the document but him.

As for stuff related to his college years, I also see no reason why college records of someone who is running for president shouldn't have to be made public. We have a right to know about the backgrounds of the people we're voting for -- and a big part of the crucial time when Obama was developing his ideas and philosophies is blank for the same reasons he didn't simply release the birth certificate...nobody knows but him.

The man ran his campaign saying he would be the most transparent president in history and he has been the exact opposite from the moment he threw his hat in the ring.

fan_from_texas;752733 wrote:I disagree. I think Obama handled this one correctly. It seems to me that the birther movement was largely pushed by conspiracy-theory types who were upset that someone other than an upper-class WASP was President. I don't think the President has an obligation to respond to every charge from fringe groups, as doing so only serves to legitimize them and encourage them further (see, e.g., Trump's press conference, where now he is insisting that Obama release his college and law school grades. Where does this end?). When the issue didn't go away, and he realized that more people started to believe it, he properly released the records, which should put this to rest.

While I disagree with many of Obama's policies, this whole birther nonsense needs to come to an end. From my perspective, people who continue to harp on it appear to be racist xenophobes who can't stand the thought that someone not like them was elected, and are now using the birther issue as a pretext for latent (blatant?) racism.

Seriously, the issue is dead; he handled it reasonably; people need to move on.

I believe this post, according to some, makes you a racist, for implying racism had anything to do with this!

BTW, I don't I could have stated this any better!

fan_from_texas;752733 wrote:I disagree. I think Obama handled this one correctly. It seems to me that the birther movement was largely pushed by conspiracy-theory types who were upset that someone other than an upper-class WASP was President. I don't think the President has an obligation to respond to every charge from fringe groups, as doing so only serves to legitimize them and encourage them further (see, e.g., Trump's press conference, where now he is insisting that Obama release his college and law school grades. Where does this end?). When the issue didn't go away, and he realized that more people started to believe it, he properly released the records, which should put this to rest.

While I disagree with many of Obama's policies, this whole birther nonsense needs to come to an end. From my perspective, people who continue to harp on it appear to be racist xenophobes who can't stand the thought that someone not like them was elected, and are now using the birther issue as a pretext for latent (blatant?) racism.

Seriously, the issue is dead; he handled it reasonably; people need to move on.

+1

A lot of people, like me, believed he was born in the US but couldn't understand why he simply didn't release the certificate right away and end all the speculation as to WHY he would balk at doing so.

And he didn't handle it well. A leader doesn't act like a petulant child on something he can end in one day, and then turn around and decry how much time was wasted on this that could have been focused on other things. He had the power to end it quickly and chose not to; so he is decrying something HE alone perpetuated since nobody could release the document but him.

As for stuff related to his college years, I also see no reason why college records of someone who is running for president shouldn't have to be made public. We have a right to know about the backgrounds of the people we're voting for -- and a big part of the crucial time when Obama was developing his ideas and philosophies is blank for the same reasons he didn't simply release the birth certificate...nobody knows but him.

The man ran his campaign saying he would be the most transparent president in history and he has been the exact opposite from the moment he threw his hat in the ring.

Yep!!!

Prescott;751403 wrote:Donald Trump proves he can get things done.

yea and he looked like a ass in the process

Writerbuckeye;752753 wrote:A lot of people, like me, believed he was born in the US but couldn't understand why he simply didn't release the certificate right away and end all the speculation as to WHY he would balk at doing so.

Did anyone ever ask for W's birth certificate?

Writerbuckeye;752753 wrote:As for stuff related to his college years, I also see no reason why college records of someone who is running for president shouldn't have to be made public. We have a right to know about the backgrounds of the people we're voting for -- and a big part of the crucial time when Obama was developing his ideas and philosophies is blank for the same reasons he didn't simply release the birth certificate...nobody knows but him.

So every politician should release their college transcripts? I don't see any reason why they should start doing this now.

Writerbuckeye;752753 wrote:The man ran his campaign saying he would be the most transparent president in history and he has been the exact opposite from the moment he threw his hat in the ring.

This is 100% true.

It has far more to do with political beliefs than it does race. Bush and Cheney had unfounded conspiracy theories surrounding them as well. Last I checked Bush and Cheney were white guys. A lot of the "truthers" were to be found in the democrat party. Had Gore been elected the "truthers" would be found in the republican party. Both parties have there own set of loons.

I am sure there are some racists that make up the "birther" theory and that is their motivation. The main drive for the "birther" is they oppose the presidents politics. Anything that can district him from enacting his policies they are on board. Those of you seeing the big racist boogey man behind everthing anti-Obamo are nearly as loony as the "birther".

Prescott;751403 wrote:Donald Trump proves he can get things done.

I would vote for any non celeb democratic candidate over Donald Trump. The thought of turning the election into some version of survivor/american idle disgusts me. I at least need the illusion that I am voting for a politician and not a reality tv show. I'm not sure there is an actual difference, but at least in my mind there is.

yea and he looked like a ass in the process

The bottom line is he got Obama to do something that nobody else did. Whether or not he looked like an ass is a matter of opinion.

I at least need the illusion that I am voting for a politician and not a reality tv show

I'm sick of politicians. They pursue an agenda is based on getting re-elected and not what is best for the country.

Did anyone ever ask for W's birth certificate?

No one should have to ask. It should be part of the process.

So every politician should release their college transcripts? I don't see any reason why they should start doing this now.

Why not?? Any information that helps voters understand a candidate is a good thing, IMO.

KnightRyder;752819 wrote:yea and he looked like a ass in the process

The Donald said "fetch" and Bam obliged. Who's the ass?

Birth issue aside, he should be ineligible due to his marxist policy agenda.

Carry on..........

Writerbuckeye;752753 wrote:A lot of people, like me, believed he was born in the US but couldn't understand why he simply didn't release the certificate right away and end all the speculation as to WHY he would balk at doing so.

And he didn't handle it well. A leader doesn't act like a petulant child on something he can end in one day, and then turn around and decry how much time was wasted on this that could have been focused on other things. He had the power to end it quickly and chose not to; so he is decrying something HE alone perpetuated since nobody could release the document but him.

As for stuff related to his college years, I also see no reason why college records of someone who is running for president shouldn't have to be made public. We have a right to know about the backgrounds of the people we're voting for -- and a big part of the crucial time when Obama was developing his ideas and philosophies is blank for the same reasons he didn't simply release the birth certificate...nobody knows but him.

The man ran his campaign saying he would be the most transparent president in history and he has been the exact opposite from the moment he threw his hat in the ring.

Great post, writer. I would argue his presidency has been the LEAST transparent of my lifetime.

Along with major, I absolutely can't stand the word, "racist", being tossed around without penalty of retribution. To blindly call someone a "racist" for disagreeing with Obama is horrid. How does anyone know whom is a racist and whom isn't? Is there a test you can take? Is there a way you type that gives it away? Huh?? It is an intellectually vapid statement used by those that can't defend Barry's policies nor his actions without having to distinguish nor contemplate what he's doing to America. His presidency is an abomination and I could care less if he was purple.

majorspark;752831 wrote:It has far more to do with political beliefs than it does race. Bush and Cheney had unfounded conspiracy theories surrounding them as well. Last I checked Bush and Cheney were white guys. A lot of the "truthers" were to be found in the democrat party. Had Gore been elected the "truthers" would be found in the republican party. Both parties have there own set of loons.

I am sure there are some racists that make up the "birther" theory and that is their motivation. The main drive for the "birther" is they oppose the presidents politics. Anything that can district him from enacting his policies they are on board. Those of you seeing the big racist boogey man behind everthing anti-Obamo are nearly as loony as the "birther".

I believe this is true, I always believed he was born in the US just questioned why the BC hadn't come out.

I also believe that there were definitely some racists among the "birthers" but most were just 100% against his politics and were apt to believe any "conspiracy" just like the 9/11 "truthers" and GWB. Were all of them racists against white people?

Prescott;752878 wrote:I'm sick of politicians. They pursue an agenda is based on getting re-elected and not what is best for the country.

Do you really think Trump will do what is in the best interest of the country?

Prescott;752878 wrote:Why not?? Any information that helps voters understand a candidate is a good thing, IMO.

So voters are entitled to whatever information they want? Boxers or briefs? What if they want to know his cock size?

FatHobbit;753035 wrote:So voters are entitled to whatever information they want? Boxers or briefs? What if they want to know his cock size?

Please read what he said.........

Prescott;752878 wrote:Why not?? Any information that helps voters understand a candidate is a good thing, IMO.

Your questions, while they may be important to you, would not help a voter understand if a candidate was a good candidate.

wkfan;753040 wrote:Please read what he said.........



Your questions, while they may be important to you, would not help a voter understand if a candidate was a good candidate.

I dunno. I'd expect a guy with a big dick to have the sort of self-confidence (ie: not "little man's syndrome") to be able to weather storms and get shit done, so that could be a valid thing that needs to be disclosed.

I mean, there's a reason Justin gave me mod powers and all.

The GOP "birthers" got handed their azz !! They all look like the fools that they are now. Great exposure for the public to see these extremists shown for what they are -- RACIST.

ROLMFAO !!

Paladin;753076 wrote:The GOP "birthers" got handed their azz !! They all look like the fools that they are now. Great exposure for the public to see these extremists shown for what they are -- RACIST.

ROLMFAO !!

So were "truthers" during the Bush presidency racist too?

Both the "birthers" and the "truthers" were fringe/cook groups that didn't like the sitting president so they were apt to believe a conspiracy.


Were those that were "truthers" about 9/11 racist against white people? If you say no, then you calling "birthers" racist is retarded.

And FYI, I have never believed in the "he was not born here" conspiracy.

Paladin;753076 wrote:The GOP "birthers" got handed their azz !! They all look like the fools that they are now. Great exposure for the public to see these extremists shown for what they are -- RACIST.

ROLMFAO !!

Ummm... wasn't Hillary Clinton the one who brought the whole birthplace thing to the national attention?

I hardly think she would be considered a GOP'er.

Do you really think Trump will do what is in the best interest of the country?

I have not made that claim. I'm am willing to listen to his ideas.

Your questions,

Who said anything about "My Questions"?
I want information, so that I can make an informed decision. Complete transparency from every candidate.

The Donald said "fetch" and Bam obliged. Who's the ass?

Funny and true. Donald got it done.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/video-barack-obama-comes-out-to-hulk-hogans-theme-129221

This is pretty freaking funny...Trump was there so you know why they did this