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Apr 27, 2011 3:43 PM
What the hell's up with the speeding comparisons? Where and how does speeding throw my teammates, coaches, administration, university, etc. all under the bus like selling your stuff does?
If I speed, I'm caught and possibly pay a ticket and basically the repercussions fall on me and no one else. If a player sells his stuff and is caught, he's ineligible and no help to his team. It puts the university in a tough spot because if they don't turn around and do the right thing, then it just leads to worse problems. Not suggesting we excuse Jim Tressel because he could have done the right thing but by his own choice he didn't. Regardless, the end result is the Ohio State fanbase gets screwed over.
The speeding thing is apples to oranges. You pass a cop going 40 in a 35, he's going to sit there. You get on the highway going 70 you'll be going right along with traffic. Everyone does it and it's very easy to get away with. Hell, states across the country have different speed limits and some are working on raising theirs. And while college football players have dozens of rules and policies that can be broken or interpreted, I'd bet money the golden, bottom line that they are hammered with from day one is that they cannot sell their shit. It's going to cause a lot of trouble for a lot of people, and it did.
Apr 27, 2011 3:43pm
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Apr 27, 2011 3:45 PM
SportsAndLady;751788 wrote:Pathetic and laughable arguments? What argument am I making? I'm simply stating that is how college football is now.

You are saying everyone cheats so it's ok.
Apr 27, 2011 3:45pm
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Apr 27, 2011 3:52 PM
friendfromlowry;751797 wrote:What the hell's up with the speeding comparisons? Where and how does speeding throw my teammates, coaches, administration, university, etc. all under the bus like selling your stuff does?

Because someone was trying to say doing illegal things mean you have no character. Is it really difficult to get the analogy?
Apr 27, 2011 3:52pm
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Apr 27, 2011 3:53 PM
karen lotz;751802 wrote:You are saying everyone cheats so it's ok.

Not saying it's okay. Saying he shouldn't be fired.
Apr 27, 2011 3:53pm
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Apr 27, 2011 4:01 PM
WebFire;751792 wrote:LOL--Big difference. Speeding punishes me and me only...It's a risk I take and the consequences affect only me.

unless, of course, you have a collision with another vehicle, or hit a pedestrian, so maybe this isn't the best argument....
Apr 27, 2011 4:01pm
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Apr 27, 2011 4:01 PM
SportsAndLady;751812 wrote:Because someone was trying to say doing illegal things mean you have no character. Is it really difficult to get the analogy?

So you picked the most commonly broken law and compared it to something completely different. Ah, now I get your dumb analogy.
Apr 27, 2011 4:01pm
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Apr 27, 2011 4:06 PM
friendfromlowry;751797 wrote:What the hell's up with the speeding comparisons? Where and how does speeding throw my teammates, coaches, administration, university, etc. all under the bus like selling your stuff does?
If I speed, I'm caught and possibly pay a ticket and basically the repercussions fall on me and no one else. If a player sells his stuff and is caught, he's ineligible and no help to his team. It puts the university in a tough spot because if they don't turn around and do the right thing, then it just leads to worse problems. Not suggesting we excuse Jim Tressel because he could have done the right thing but by his own choice he didn't. Regardless, the end result is the Ohio State fanbase gets screwed over.
The speeding thing is apples to oranges. You pass a cop going 40 in a 35, he's going to sit there. You get on the highway going 70 you'll be going right along with traffic. Everyone does it and it's very easy to get away with. Hell, states across the country have different speed limits and some are working on raising theirs. And while college football players have dozens of rules and policies that can be broken or interpreted, I'd bet money the golden, bottom line that they are hammered with from day one is that they cannot sell their shit. It's going to cause a lot of trouble for a lot of people, and it did.

Yeah, they are two different things but there is a mindset comparison. There aren't speed limits just for the sake of setting limits and taking people's money. Speed limits exist as safety measures. In theory, when you speed you are not just putting yourself at risk of getting a ticket, you are increasing the likelihood of an accident and causing harm to others in your car, people in other vehicles, pedestrians (depending on where you're speeding), etc. You choose to not believe those risks exist or to ignore them or to not care about them. Or, you may not think about them at all and instead focus on what you're goal for that moment is - get somewhere more quickly.

As for your second part, "everyone does it and its easy to get away with". Well, didn't one former OSU player tweet that the tattoo deals have been going on for years? Didn't OSU previously commit a minor violation during Pryor's recruitment (paying for a hotel room or something)? Haven't we all pretty much realized that there's little money exchanges here and there for a lot of top notch athletes from high school through recruiting through playing days, etc.? It likely IS everywhere and in small doses. I mean, a free tattoo? I don't care how many times you're told it is wrong - even if you do actually stop to think about it for a moment, it is certainly easy to see where (especially a college kid) might arrive at the thought, "it isn't that much" or "it isn't that big of a deal" or "no one is going to know", especially if those types of freebies existed way before that player's tenure and in places other than that particular campus. Again, the thought process isn't all that different from going with the flow of traffic.
Apr 27, 2011 4:06pm
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Apr 27, 2011 4:07 PM
vball10set;751825 wrote:unless, of course, you have a collision with another vehicle, or hit a pedestrian, so maybe this isn't the best argument....

I need to refresh before typing. And be more concise.
Apr 27, 2011 4:07pm
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Apr 27, 2011 4:15 PM
friendfromlowry;751826 wrote:So you picked the most commonly broken law and compared it to something completely different. Ah, now I get your dumb analogy.

SMH

Doesn't matter the levels of frequency involved with the infractions, they are both infractions.
Apr 27, 2011 4:15pm
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Apr 27, 2011 4:16 PM
SportsAndLady;751814 wrote:Not saying it's okay. Saying he shouldn't be fired.

You're right. He shouldn't be fired for his teammates selling their stuff.

He SHOULD be fired for trying to cover it up.
Apr 27, 2011 4:16pm
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Apr 27, 2011 4:17 PM
I knew the "well what if it causes an accident" response would be brought up. Yes speed limits are put in place for a reason, not just to be an inconvenience. But how many times is going 5-10mph over the limit the sole cause of an accident? Usually when you combine speed with more distracting activities: texting, fooling with the radio, eating, etc. -- is when it causes a problem.
Apr 27, 2011 4:17pm
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Apr 27, 2011 4:17 PM
dlazz;751852 wrote:You're right. He shouldn't be fired for his teammates selling their stuff.

He SHOULD be fired for trying to cover it up.

No he shouldn't.

So where does that leave us?
Apr 27, 2011 4:17pm
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Apr 27, 2011 4:18 PM
friendfromlowry;751855 wrote:But how many times is going 5-10mph over the limit the sole cause of an accident

You'd be surprised.
Apr 27, 2011 4:18pm
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MontyBrunswick

Apr 27, 2011 4:18 PM
SportsAndLady;751857 wrote:No he shouldn't.


Oh, you bring a reasonable argument. Carry on.
Apr 27, 2011 4:18pm
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Apr 27, 2011 4:19 PM
karen lotz;751802 wrote:You are saying everyone cheats so it's ok.

The first part of this sentence is nearly without question true, so the wringing of hands over those who are caught is more than a little disingenuous.
Apr 27, 2011 4:19pm
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Apr 27, 2011 4:19 PM
dlazz;751852 wrote:You're right. He shouldn't be fired for his teammates selling their stuff.

He SHOULD be fired for trying to cover it up.

This. I don't know why people keep going back to what the players did. That has zero impact.


Actually I do know why, but at some point it has to sink in, right?
Apr 27, 2011 4:19pm
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Apr 27, 2011 4:22 PM
dlazz;751852 wrote:You're right. He shouldn't be fired for his teammates selling their stuff.

He SHOULD be fired for trying to cover it up.

How would fire him change anything? Most OSU fans are happy with keeping Tressel as their coach, why should anyone else's opinion matter?
Apr 27, 2011 4:22pm
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Apr 27, 2011 4:23 PM
sleeper;751865 wrote:How would fire him change anything? Most OSU fans are happy with keeping Tressel as their coach, why should anyone else's opinion matter?

He violated his contract. Thus, he should be terminated.
sleeper;751865 wrote:Most OSU fans are happy with keeping Tressel as their coach, why should anyone else's opinion matter?
irrelevant, like most of the shit you say.
Apr 27, 2011 4:23pm
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Apr 27, 2011 4:25 PM
dlazz;751867 wrote:irrelevant, like most of the shit you say.

I'm using Notre Dame logic. The situations are pretty similar, except Tressel didn't kill anyone.
Apr 27, 2011 4:25pm
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Apr 27, 2011 4:26 PM
SportsAndLady;751858 wrote:You'd be surprised.

I'd be surprised by what? Any evidence or just assuming? How many times have you ever been driving along, going 60 in a 55, but full attention on the road and almost or actually did wreck? Same question but apply to anyone you know. It's personally never happened to me, but I'm not saying it's out of the realm of possibility. Like I said, I think when you're speeding and combine with something else, that's when it hurts most people.
Apr 27, 2011 4:26pm
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Apr 27, 2011 4:26 PM
sleeper;751865 wrote:How would fire him change anything? Most OSU fans are happy with keeping Tressel as their coach, why should anyone else's opinion matter?

As someone with no direct connection to tOSU, I completely agree with this sentiment. Why should the powers that be care even a little as to what I think, or anyone else with no association with the school?
Apr 27, 2011 4:26pm
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Apr 27, 2011 4:36 PM
dlazz;751867 wrote:He violated his contract. Thus, he should be terminated. .

That might be a reason to cut him lose but it doesn't mean they have to pull the trigger. The school will do what they think is best for the school/athletic department. I am sure they are looking at this going forward and what impact it will have in the future.

Personally I think he should sit out the year if they keep him on staff. Whatever they decide is fine with me because they will have to live with whatever the NCAA decides.
Apr 27, 2011 4:36pm
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MontyBrunswick

Apr 27, 2011 4:37 PM
If they keep him on, the integrity of the athletic department will be tarnished during his stay.

If they cut him loose, they can "start over" at a more rapid pace.
Apr 27, 2011 4:37pm
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Apr 27, 2011 4:41 PM
dlazz;751889 wrote:If they keep him on, the integrity of the athletic department will be tarnished during his stay.

OH NO!!

Not our integrity!!!
Apr 27, 2011 4:41pm
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Apr 27, 2011 5:08 PM
SportsAndLady;751894 wrote:OH NO!!

Not our integrity!!!

So you'd be OK with the stigma that USC is going through right now?
Apr 27, 2011 5:08pm