President Obama has been in office for not quite two and a half years now and it has been the longest that I can remember. Things have progressively gotten much worse over that time. Look at the value of the dollar, deficit spending, the debt, the PROLONGED unemployment, the price of oil/gas...etc. I don't know how much more of this our country can stand. I can't see one thing that has improved (with the exception of a minor move in the unemployment rate, which has remained painfully high) during his presidency.

What say you? Can we make another year and a half under this president?

Not unless the GOP finds a viable candidate, he isn't. I don't see one on the horizon yet -- but it's still early.

If Republicans go to their fallback position and nominate some old white guy, they may as well just skip the election and hold the inaugural ball.

Writerbuckeye;752277 wrote:Not unless the GOP finds a viable candidate, he isn't. I don't see one on the horizon yet -- but it's still early.

If Republicans go to their fallback position and nominate some old white guy, they may as well just skip the election and hold the inaugural ball.

While I don't see an electoral path to victory for the Messiah at this point, things could change if Kasich and Rick Scott's approval ratings continue to crater.

6 months ago I found it completely impossible that BHO could possibly win either Florida or Ohio this time around, which will essentially kill his path to victory as he is not winning N.C or Virginia (it was a fluke he won those).

The way things are now though, I just don't know as Florida and Ohio seem much more viable than they did in the face of tremendous voter anger over proposed cuts in those states.

While I still think the chances are slim of a BHO re-election, in many ways he has a much better chance now than he did as he has gone from zero percent chance of winning 2 important states like that to probably a toss-up.

Funny, crazy libs were saying the same thing about W.


We'll make it.

ptown_trojans_1;752341 wrote:Funny, crazy libs were saying the same thing about W.


We'll make it.

Well, the libs were indeed crazy. We elected an incompetent POTUS based on nothing more than puffery and dopey salesmanship. We 'might' make it, but it will be a challenge to offset the fiscal damage done in the last couple of years (and if the GOP doesn't get their act in order, which likely they won't, the next several years).

Like I have said earlier, right now nobody in the GOP can beat him.

If they can convince Christie to run, all bets are off.

Manhattan Buckeye;752343 wrote:Well, the libs were indeed crazy. We elected an incompetent POTUS based on nothing more than puffery and dopey salesmanship. We 'might' make it, but it will be a challenge to offset the fiscal damage done in the last couple of years (and if the GOP doesn't get their act in order, which likely they won't, the next several years).

You can always rally the troops and get a Republican Senate to go along with the House.

stlouiedipalma;752344 wrote:Like I have said earlier, right now nobody in the GOP can beat him.

If they can convince Christie to run, all bets are off.

Are not these contradictory statements???

Isn't he a member of the GOP?

Are you suggesting Christie, a member of the GOP, can beat the President?

I think when he said "nobody in the GOP" he meant "nobody in the GOP that has said they are running or is a likely candidate". If I remember correctly Christie has said that he isn't interested at least now in a POTUS run (correct me if I'm wrong here guys).

Another thing, everyone calm down. We'll all still be here in two years and we'll all still be bitching about how terrible this site is.

IggyPride00;752308 wrote:While I don't see an electoral path to victory for the Messiah at this point, things could change if Kasich and Rick Scott's approval ratings continue to crater.

6 months ago I found it completely impossible that BHO could possibly win either Florida or Ohio this time around, which will essentially kill his path to victory as he is not winning N.C or Virginia (it was a fluke he won those).

The way things are now though, I just don't know as Florida and Ohio seem much more viable than they did in the face of tremendous voter anger over proposed cuts in those states.

While I still think the chances are slim of a BHO re-election, in many ways he has a much better chance now than he did as he has gone from zero percent chance of winning 2 important states like that to probably a toss-up.

A poll about 3 weeks ago had Bam running 5-6 points behind both Romney and Huck in Florida. I agree that Ohio is now extremely shaky.

Manhattan Buckeye;752343 wrote:Well, the libs were indeed crazy. We elected an incompetent POTUS based on nothing more than puffery and dopey salesmanship. We 'might' make it, but it will be a challenge to offset the fiscal damage done in the last couple of years (and if the GOP doesn't get their act in order, which likely they won't, the next several years).

I thought Americans voted for him because of his foreign policy knowledge? Or was that Biden?

I Wear Pants;752466 wrote:...Another thing, everyone calm down. We'll all still be here in two years and we'll all still be bitching about how terrible this site is.

But the country could be drastically different than the America we thought we would have as adults.

I'm pretty critical of the President, but I think some consideration of the shape the country was in when he took office should be used when forming an opinion of how things currently are and how effective he's been. The negative side effects of the bailouts and deficit spending we see now may or may not have been as bad as what we would have seen had we not bailed out anyone...but who knows?

That said, things I wish he would stop doing that I don't see:
1) class warfare
2) military warfare (i.e. end the wars / slash defense)

I'm pretty sure if Obama got on tv tomorrow, said we're ending the wars, and in the future anyone who wants our protection has to pay for it (either in dollars or some other gesture) the majority of the country would be behind that. Also, if he came out and said enough of this poor vs. rich bs, we're all in this together and everyone has to make sacrifices (rich and poor) we'd see some progress on the deficit. But sadly, I don't think any of that shit will happen. That's probably why I'll vote for the R if they offer anyone with a shred of competence and not a complete loon (no Palin, no Santorum, no Trump).

Con_Alma;752413 wrote:Are not these contradictory statements???

Isn't he a member of the GOP?

Are you suggesting Christie, a member of the GOP, can beat the President?

I Wear Pants;752466 wrote:I think when he said "nobody in the GOP" he meant "nobody in the GOP that has said they are running or is a likely candidate". If I remember correctly Christie has said that he isn't interested at least now in a POTUS run (correct me if I'm wrong here guys).

Another thing, everyone calm down. We'll all still be here in two years and we'll all still be bitching about how terrible this site is.

Sorry, I didn't make myself clear with that post. Actually, there aren't many GOP candidates who have formally declared. Of those, and those who are expected to make a run, none have any chance of winning in 2012. It's going to take a serious candidate who can generate broad appeal for the Republicans to beat Obama. Christie is the only one I can see who might be able to garner enough support from Independents. Unfortunately for the GOP, he claims he isn't interested in running.

ccrunner609;752238 wrote:dont worry, he is getting beat in 2012

Washington Post
Margin of Error: ±3.5%
Sample size: 1,001
April 14-17, 2011

Barack Obama 56% Sarah Palin 37% Obama +19
Barack Obama 54% Newt Gingrich 39% Obama +15
Barack Obama 49% Mitt Romney 45% Obama +4
Barack Obama 50% Mike Huckabee 44% Obama +6
Barack Obama 52% Tim Pawlenty 39% Obama 13
Barack Obama 52% Donald Trump 39% Obama +13
Barack Obama 52% Michelle Bachmann 38% Obama +14

Newsweek/Daily Beast
Margin of error: ±3.5%
Sample size: 918
February 12–15, 2011

Barack Obama 44% Mitt Romney 38% Donald Trump 8% Obama +6

Barack Obama 44% Sarah Palin 21% Donald Trump 20% Obama +23

derek bomar;752718 wrote:I'm pretty critical of the President, but I think some consideration of the shape the country was in when he took office should be used when forming an opinion of how things currently are and how effective he's been. The negative side effects of the bailouts and deficit spending we see now may or may not have been as bad as what we would have seen had we not bailed out anyone...but who knows?

That said, things I wish he would stop doing that I don't see:
1) class warfare
2) military warfare (i.e. end the wars / slash defense)

I'm pretty sure if Obama got on tv tomorrow, said we're ending the wars, and in the future anyone who wants our protection has to pay for it (either in dollars or some other gesture) the majority of the country would be behind that. Also, if he came out and said enough of this poor vs. rich bs, we're all in this together and everyone has to make sacrifices (rich and poor) we'd see some progress on the deficit. But sadly, I don't think any of that shit will happen. That's probably why I'll vote for the R if they offer anyone with a shred of competence and not a complete loon (no Palin, no Santorum, no Trump).

+1.

derek bomar;752718 wrote:I'm pretty critical of the President, but I think some consideration of the shape the country was in when he took office should be used when forming an opinion of how things currently are and how effective he's been. The negative side effects of the bailouts and deficit spending we see now may or may not have been as bad as what we would have seen had we not bailed out anyone...but who knows?

That said, things I wish he would stop doing that I don't see:
1) class warfare
2) military warfare (i.e. end the wars / slash defense)

I'm pretty sure if Obama got on tv tomorrow, said we're ending the wars, and in the future anyone who wants our protection has to pay for it (either in dollars or some other gesture) the majority of the country would be behind that. Also, if he came out and said enough of this poor vs. rich bs, we're all in this together and everyone has to make sacrifices (rich and poor) we'd see some progress on the deficit. But sadly, I don't think any of that shit will happen. That's probably why I'll vote for the R if they offer anyone with a shred of competence and not a complete loon (no Palin, no Santorum, no Trump).

Hell has frozen over, since we basically agree on this.

I would add one caveat: Obama and his party hardly get a free pass for the condition the country was in when he took office. He was a member of arguably the worst Congress in US history (if American opinion is to be believed), and they had a hand in creating this mess.

Wow, How are you guys ever gonna make it to 2016?....

Ty Webb;752738 wrote:Washington Post
Margin of Error: ±3.5%
Sample size: 1,001
April 14-17, 2011
...

The most important numbers in your entire post I made bold.

Mr. President doesn't even know who his competition is yet and the Washington post is showing polling numbers. Craziness.

Obama is an 8-5 favorite to win according to off shore bookies. Link available upon request.

Given how intellectually brilliant he supposedly is, one would think after 2 1/2 years he would be able to realize his policies / agenda / appointments are all completely wrong for America. I guess he doesn't really give a shit.


Change we can believe in ........

Thread Bomber;752777 wrote:Wow, How are you guys ever gonna make it to 2016?....

This is the question that MUST be asked of Mr. Christie. I heard a good one on the radio the other day. It went something like: Churchill didn't have time to wait to become leader of the UK during the Big One. They were about to become another trophy for der fuhrer and needed Winston Churchill in the worst way immediately. Before anyone scoffs too loud, there may not be anything left of this country by 2016 to save. We are this close to economic collapse and chaos and we have no time to wait for him. By the way, economic collapse is something Obama desires so that he can rebuild America in his socialist utopian image. He is NOT going to grant an interview to espouse this belief, but if you read what he's written and how he's acted, it's fairly easy to see...that is...if you want to see it.

stlouiedipalma;752344 wrote:Like I have said earlier, right now nobody in the GOP can beat him.

If they can convince Christie to run, all bets are off.

Even as a conservative I agree with this, right now I don't see many in the GOP able to beat Obama. Its really tough to unseat an incumbant.

Christie on the other hand could REALLY change things up, he could honestly beat Obama in a landslide of the cards fall right.

QuakerOats;752979 wrote:Given how intellectually brilliant he supposedly is, one would think after 2 1/2 years he would be able to realize his policies / agenda / appointments are all completely wrong for America. I guess he doesn't really give a shit.

Change we can believe in ........

I don't give a damn how "intellectually brilliant" ANYBODY is, if they can't put it to good practice.

jmog;753039 wrote:Even as a conservative I agree with this, right now I don't see many in the GOP able to beat Obama. Its really tough to unseat an incumbant.

Christie on the other hand could REALLY change things up, he could honestly beat Obama in a landslide of the cards fall right.

I remember when Nixon was wavering on the subject of whether to resign when the Watergate scandal reached its peak. According to several books, Hugh Scott (R-PA) and Barry Goldwater (R-AZ), as leaders of the Republican party in Congress, visited Nixon and gently told him that he didn't have their support. They effectively steered him toward resignation.


IMO, in order for Christie to change his mind and make a run, some important and influential leaders of the Republican party will need to have the same kind of "intervention" with him and convince him that the party and country needs him to run and defeat Obama. I believe that if this kind of scenario were to come about he would answer the call.