lhslep134;747165 wrote:I think he's waiting for an answer Ty.

DADT...reversed

Ban of Federal Funds for Stem Cell research ....reversed

Iraq War....ended

Ty Webb;747158 wrote:Report was done by Rep. John Conyers and the House Judicary Committee

http://www.iwantmyvote.com/lib/downloads/references/house_judiciary/final_status_report.pdf

Conyers? ... Really?

Ty Webb;747167 wrote:DADT...reversed

Ban of Federal Funds for Stem Cell research ....reversed

Iraq War....ended

And the federal deficit spiraling out of control, a good portion of it from a "stimulus" bill that was nothing but pork projects and political payouts that was an utter and total failure at stimulating anything other than more debt.

As for the first two...yawn. As for the last, they're not home yet.

CenterBHSFan;747169 wrote:Conyers? ... Really?

Yeah, that's laughable.

Perhaps one of the worst Congressmen in the history of the Congress...and without question one of the country's biggest race baiters.

It all comes back to race when ANYTHING doesn't work out for these clowns.

CenterBHSFan;747169 wrote:Conyers? ... Really?

Why don't you read what's in there before you dismiss it

Writerbuckeye;747171 wrote:Yeah, that's laughable.

Perhaps one of the worst Congressmen in the history of the Congress...and without question one of the country's biggest race baiters.

It all comes back to race when ANYTHING doesn't work out for these clowns.

Again....read it before you dismiss it

Why waste my time? He cries racism all the time. It's old. It's tired. It's lame. It's almost always untrue. He needs a new act.

Maybe he can start stealing money, like his Detroit councilwoman wife, or go on joy rides in stolen vehicles like his thief son.

Webb, while I definitely think the Katherine Harris stuff was suspect, Bush won the 2004 election because he ran a much better campaign than Kerry did.

Wow...when facts are presented you seem to get a little testy writer

If you won't even look at the facts when they are placed in front of you...what's the point of even trying to have a debate for you

Facts? It's a biased report written by a man who has spent most of his life railing about racism -- something he sees far too often in far too many instances.

Okay, read the summary. What a joke.

Why isn't Blackwell up on charges if all this stuff is true?

End. Of. Discussion.

Ty Webb;747172 wrote:Why don't you read what's in there before you dismiss it

Okay, I read this part and am NOW dismissing it:

We have found numerous, serious election irregularities in the Ohio presidential
election, which resulted in a significant disenfranchisement of voters. Cumulatively, these
irregularities, which affected hundreds of thousand of votes and voters in Ohio, raise grave
doubts regarding whether it can be said the Ohio electors selected on December 13, 2004, were
chosen in a manner that conforms to Ohio law, let alone federal requirements and
constitutional standards.

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A. It's all about racism. No matter what you think Ohio is not exactly breeding grounds of racism.
B. "hundreds of thousands of voters"? I believe the proper translation is "we didn't find anything substantial but the more people we say were affected the more likelihood our extremism will get noticed"

I'm done with you writer

Your blind hatered for anything Democrat keeps you from seeing there was blantent mis-management of the election cycle by Ken Blackwell that caused George W Bush to be handed (for the second time) a term as President

Why do you think he wasn't charged writer?

Who controlled the Presidency,the Senate,House,and the entire Ohio government?

If you answered Republicans...you would be correct

lhslep134;747189 wrote:Okay, I read this part and am NOW dismissing it:

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A. It's all about racism. No matter what you think Ohio is not exactly breeding grounds of racism.
B. "hundreds of thousands of voters"? I believe the proper translation is "we didn't find anything substantial but the more people we say were affected the more likelihood our extremism will get noticed"

Please tell me where in the passage you showed says anything about racism?

Come on Ty. You call me BLIND? The man rails against all this wrongdoing and then NOTHING comes of it? He's a Congressman, for God's sake. IF there was one iota of proof, there would have been charges brought. Period.

You asked who controlled the government then? How about the media? It's almost ALL liberal leaning. You don't think they would have pounced on this if there were ANYTHING to pounce on? They're just going to ignore a story that could make a career, win a Pulitzer Prize and be worth six figures somewhere?

Face it, Conyers is an old man who sees racism in every corner -- and has zero credibility. THAT is why I dismissed him out of hand.

Ty Webb;747193 wrote:Please tell me where in the passage you showed says anything about racism?

Right here. Continuation of what I previously posted.

The misallocation of voting machines led to unprecedented long lines that
disenfranchised scores, if not hundreds of thousands, of predominantly minority
and Democratic voters

Not to mention the numerous Jesse Jackson references, who is good for nothing except playing the racism card.

Okay, I am still chucking at the "hundreds of thousands" line. Seriously, Ty. Does not some small part of your brain tell you that if that many people had been disenfranchised there would have been riots in the street? Not to mention what I said above about every media from NY to LA pouncing on it to win a Pulitzer Prize.

Why do you think Dan Rather went ahead and tried to use a forged document for the story he did on Bush? He knew it would change an election and he'd be hailed as a hero AND a great journalist if he had pulled it off. He was willing to risk a multi-million dollar career on a HOAX to get Bush. You don't think there weren't hundreds of reporters who would have lined up to get to Ohio if ANY of this had even a little bit of truth to it?

In the passage you posted first...it did not contain one ounce of racism

Writerbuckeye;747198 wrote:Come on Ty. You call me BLIND? The man rails against all this wrongdoing and then NOTHING comes of it? He's a Congressman, for God's sake. IF there was one iota of proof, there would have been charges brought. Period.

You asked who controlled the government then? How about the media? It's almost ALL liberal leaning. You don't think they would have pounced on this if there were ANYTHING to pounce on? They're just going to ignore a story that could make a career, win a Pulitzer Prize and be worth six figures somewhere?

Face it, Conyers is an old man who sees racism in every corner -- and has zero credibility. THAT is why I dismissed him out of hand.

They media did cover it... They covered the shut out of it. It was reported every day

BUT....

Does the media have the power to indict or bring charges against someone like Kenny? No they don't

And with who was running the state and country at the time....Blackwell could have gone on national television and said "I rigged the election in Ohio so George W Bush could win" and it would't have mattered

Ty Webb;747202 wrote:They media did cover it... They covered the shut out of it. It was reported every day

BUT....

Does the media have the power to indict or bring charges against someone like Kenny? No they don't

And with who was running the state and country at the time....Blackwell could have gone on national television and said "I rigged the election in Ohio so George W Bush could win" and it would't have mattered

Gibby shows us a self portrait after this post.

Writerbuckeye;747220 wrote:Gibby shows us a self portrait after this post.

Oh c'mon, Writer. You're way too nice.

While I'm not going to get into the whole Bush thing, I will say that I'm glad as hell that Gore or Kerry was never POTUS!

Kerry I think could have done a decent job or at worst I don't think he'd have done appreciably worse. However, moot point seeing as he lost that election not because of voter shenanigans or anything but because he ran a poor campaign and Bush ran a very good one. Simple math.

I Wear Pants;747369 wrote:Kerry I think could have done a decent job or at worst I don't think he'd have done appreciably worse.

Kerry certainly wouldn't have been worse than what we're currently enjoying.

The biggest problem the conservatives have is that their attacks on Obama have begun to bore the American voting public. Reverend Wright is an old issue. The President has disavowed any connection to him other than he was the minister of the President's church a long time ago. It is old, old non relevant "news". The President's birthplace has been established as Hawaii a long long time ago with the certificate of live birth already produced and passed through the media so many times it bores the voting public. By the way, I also have a certificate of live birth signifying my birth in Detroit, Michigan. Thank God I'm not running for president. The conservatives would probably demand proof that Detroit is in the United States. The problem isn't that conservative candidates are being grilled more than Obama...the problem is that in most cases, the issues conservatives chose to hang onto and repeat over and over and over ad nauseum, aren't resonating with the majority of American voters and the fact that the conservative element controls most of the attack strategies against Obama, the polls continually show a healthy advantage for the incumbent. Also, the continual attacks on President Obama's former occupation as a community planner in Chicago are getting old as well. President Obama is well educated, knowledgeable on many different policy areas that most of us have not clue one about, and in my humble opinion will win in 2012 unless the economy takes a sharp decline before the 2012 Election, and sometimes (practically all the time) that's what I think conservatives go to sleep dreaming about. The party of no can't bring themselves to realize that the negativity is getting old and all indications would suggest that while the economy is still a long way from being sound, it is on it's way and as more Americans begin to enjoy the results of President Obama's domestic agenda, it will be a difficult task to unseat him in 2012. When I left the Republican Party to vote for the President in 2008, I did so with some trepidation. I had been a life long Republican and had always felt that the Republican Party best represented my beliefs about what good govenment represented. Now over two years since I changed my party registration, I am more sure than ever I made the correct decision and as long as the element that now controls the Republican party does so, I can't see myself coming back. I like to vote yes once in awhile.

I don't know what the actual poll numbers show, but I would guess Obama is on par with about Bush 2004, meaning he only wins if the Repubs trot out some stiff (entirely possible) or their candidate runs a poor campaign. I also feel Obama got a groundswell of support from energized first-time voters and "returning" voters, many of whom are disillusioned and probably won't vote in the next election. Not to mention, you also lose the novelty of voting for America's first black president. Heck, if we re-elect Obama I'll probably become disillusioned.

Certainly not a slam-dunk by any stretch, especially with Obama raising a purported $1B (amazes me the big donors would shell out again, I suppose there's something to be said with riding a loser you've backed). But I believe Obama is a one-term president, same as I believed after he was elected.