Bigdogg;723444 wrote:I thought that was your nick name. You know we are prevented from revealing anybody's identities on here right? I also thought name calling was out also. Can't you do better then that. By the way my sister has a developmental disability, Tard is so yesterday.

No, she's just stupid. It runs in the family.

LJ;723425 wrote:But whats fun is that if you dont stop acting like you are using someonea real name you will be banned from here.

Did you know there is a minimum posts requirement to post in the poli forum?

Catch up a little LJ. You are way behind. We are talking about that other site. Also, haven't we already talked about this banning business? Mr moderator......

Bigdogg;723461 wrote:Catch up a little LJ. You are way behind. We are talking about that other site. Also, haven't we already talked about this banning business? Mr moderator......

I know what you are talking about. I said cut it out or go post somewhere else

Lets try this again

So you need ID to buy a pack of cigarettes or cash a $10 check, but some people think it is okay to vote without ID???

IMO, you should need a valid picture ID AND a social security card.

i refused a breathalyzer once and although i eventually beat the case a year later i had to turn over my DL...in order to keep your work privileges you arent allowed to get a state ID so i spent 12 months with no state identification. it sucked. i wouldnt have been able to vote in this case. even tho i rarely vote anyway.

Gblock;724046 wrote:i refused a breathalyzer once and although i eventually beat the case a year later i had to turn over my DL...in order to keep your work privileges you arent allowed to get a state ID so i spent 12 months with no state identification. it sucked. i wouldnt have been able to vote in this case. even tho i rarely vote anyway.

I thought you got a court certified document with your photo on it and had a copy of your license. That is what I have seen with everyone who has had DUI work privileges

Bigdogg;723235 wrote:Sorry watching basketball and plotting a trip to West Chester. I fixed it. Other then being a waste of money I don't see it as being necessary to show a pictured government ID to vote. I think a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, or paycheck in lieu of a photo i.d. would be just fine. I am just not in favor at making laws to correct things that are not problems. Felt the same way when they were passing laws about burning the Flag. That's it.

What about a spouse who stays at home who does not have utilities in that person's name, no bank account because it is in the other spouses name, does not get a government check and does not work?

Also what about someone who just turned 18 who has no yet?

By showing a bill doesnt tell the poll worker anything. Joe Schmo coulda found it in the trash, or got someone elses mail by accident, etc.

Or, just as easily, a person or group could easily make fake utility bills and give them to homeless or even to legit voters who already voted once. John Smith could legally vote as normal, and take a fake utility bill given by someone and vote again.

Yes, there are fake ID's as well, but that would be less likely to happen on a mass scale by someone organizing voter fraud and such.

LJ;724049 wrote:I thought you got a court certified document with your photo on it and had a copy of your license. That is what I have seen with everyone who has had DUI work privileges

i didnt....maybe that is after you are convicted...i ended up getting off because they couldnt prove why i was pulled over and i was given what was deemed an innappropriate number of sobriety tests...but it took over a year and the whole time i couldnt drive because if you refuse a test its automatic suspension. i did eventually get an administrative stay on the suspension but it took way to long.

Wow! This sure looked like an innocent thread, especially by the poll results. Who would have known it was going to get so dramatic? Hell, this has been more exciting than the Tressel threads on the College Football forum. Keep up the good work, folks.

ManO'War;723998 wrote:So you need ID to buy a pack of cigarettes or cash a $10 check, but some people think it is okay to vote without ID???

IMO, you should need a valid picture ID AND a social security card.

..and many places make you show an ID to use your credit card to make sure it is you.

A long time ago I printed "CHECK I. D." in the signature line of my debit card. Believe me, I want them to check my ID when I make a purchase. The sad thing is how many people at the register never even bother to look on the back of any kind of bank card.

stlouiedipalma;724104 wrote:A long time ago I printed "CHECK I. D." in the signature line of my debit card. Believe me, I want them to check my ID when I make a purchase. The sad thing is how many people at the register never even bother to look on the back of any kind of bank card.

I have noticed that in Ohio they dont check very often. WHen I am outta state they seem to check much, much more.

stlouiedipalma;724104 wrote:A long time ago I printed "CHECK I. D." in the signature line of my debit card. Believe me, I want them to check my ID when I make a purchase. The sad thing is how many people at the register never even bother to look on the back of any kind of bank card.

Too funny...I do the exact same thing. But as you said, it's not often I end up getting the ID out.

Cost
Not only will HB 159 potentially disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of Ohioans, but it will add millions of dollars an $8 billion budget deficit. States have found that implementing these laws increase their spending on elections by as much as 50 percent.17 Missouri estimates that a new voter ID would cost the state over $20 million to implement over the next three years. The Institute for Southern Studies estimated it could cost North Carolina $14 million or more over three years to educate its 6 million voters about that state’s proposed voter ID law.18
The obligation to offer free identification is an ongoing one. Ohio will need to offer free ID to new voters without acceptable identification each year. Election officials will have to add additional poll worker training for each new election. The state will need to engage in ongoing, massive voter education campaign to ensure voters know they must obtain and bring their required identification to the polls on election day.

Sounds like an unfunded mandate to the Counties.

http://www.lawyerscommittee.org/admin/voting_rights/documents/files/Testimony-of-Eric-Marshall-Lawyers-Committee_HB-159_3-22-11.pdf

Bigdogg;724471 wrote:Sounds like an unfunded mandate to the Counties.

...

This is one expense I think taxpayers would gladly pay more for...at least this taxpayer would.

I change my vote. This is not a good idea. It's a great idea.

This idea wouldn't work out here in the state of Washington. Some of our elections are mail only.

First of all, this thread needs stickied, just because of how amazing a read it is.

Bigdogg;722738 wrote:I am sure after this gets rammed through in Columbus it will be as popular as it was at the BMV when they first tried this I don't want to hear from any of you clowns when your license is lost/stolen and you can't vote someday.

Lost/Stolen? Get a new one. I've had to do it once (got pick-pocketed on the Tram in DC when I was 17). It's not that difficult.

LJ;722739 wrote:If my license was lost/stolen why would I not go get a new one immediately?

I also have a passport I could use.

If you've got a passport, then let's be honest, you're not worried about being able to afford an ID.

queencitybuckeye;722807 wrote:It discriminates against the ineligible.

How dare we.

stlouiedipalma;722909 wrote:Seriously, though, what's wrong with the ID request? I'm as liberal as they come and I don't have an issue with it.

Growing up in a small town in Ohio as I did, everybody knew you. Now I live in a much larger city and I don't know some of my neighbors. Why shouldn't I be required to present ID? I just think this is a silly thing for anyone to get their panties in a bunch about.

You know, you seem to put some decent thought into your positions, regardless of what side of the two-party aisle you claim. I have a lot of appreciation for that, even when we disagree.

Bigdogg;722929 wrote:Second, Ohio’s existing law already prevents multiple votes.

How? By saying it's illegal?

Bigdogg;722929 wrote:Again, I have no problem with requiring some form of ID to vote, it should not be mandated to be a state ID.

I've yet to hear a sound argument against it, though. If a utility bill is all that is required, all I have to do is root through the trashcans on my street on trash day. Boom, I can vote 12 times under 12 different names!

Bigdogg;722929 wrote:To those who want to argue that is is not discriminatory or if you can't afford a ID you shouldn't vote, have fun in court with that one. Even FFT wouldn't take that one.

Those who want to argue that ... don't exist in this thread. Not a single person has argued that, because there is not a single person who cannot personally afford a state ID.

sleeper;722946 wrote:I'll go one step further and mandate some sort of test that needs to be taken before you are allowed to vote. Maybe 5 questions that ask basic things such as "How many stars on the on the US flag?" or "What branch of government is the president in?". Really basic, make it multiple choice, and if you don't get 4/5, you don't get to vote. Now, THAT would eliminate a shitload of the democratic base.

This should read "... eliminate a shitload of the voting public base." You'd see about 5% of the populace voting.

fish82;722965 wrote:LOL...sadly, it might not bode well for a portion of the Pub base as well.

Or the third-parties, or the Indies. Few people I've met, even in educated, corporate America, could pass a high school Civics exam.

Ty Webb;723032 wrote:BigDogg,take this from someone who knows about getting owned on here...


You're getting owned,and it would serve you well you well to just shut up and save yourself the embarrassment

Ty, hush! Don't spoil it!

fish82;723076 wrote:He's not having a very good day. It's a shame everyone here missed his Huddle meltdown...it was impressive.

He had a Huddle meltdown ... but he's telling others to wait at the kid table?

Bigdogg;723275 wrote:I not a expert on law ...

Shocking ...

Bigdogg;723275 wrote:... but from what I have read voter ID could be considered a poll tax and violates the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution.

How would a state ID, which is free to the end user if necessary, and the purpose of which is not exclusively confined to voting, be considered a poll tax?

Apparently, whomever you've heard on this subject is ALSO "no expert on law."

Bigdogg;723275 wrote:A lot of older people live in a nursing home and do not drive. Or how about young people who do not own a car and take the bus to work? There are also folks who do not own a car, and so they do not have a driver's license. There is also the story of the twelve nuns who could not vote in Indiana because they did not have the proper photo ID. All reasons that are cited.

Umm ... state ID doesn't have to be a driver's license. There are 5- and 6-year-old children in my wife's kindergarten class who have state IDs. Pretty sure they aren't driving.

Bigdogg;723290 wrote:Why Why Why, well read up on the issues son.

I've read up plenty. Nobody is asking why it does or doesn't make sense. Everyone is asking why you think what you do. That's not asking for the facts. That's asking for a logical construct using the facts ... something you have yet to provide.

LJ;723358 wrote:Also, is voter registration a waste of monet?

It is if they try putting this as the photo in their photo ID.

Bigdogg;723414 wrote:It's not hard.

I'm sorry to hear that.

Bigdogg;723414 wrote:Just need lots of IP addresses which I have an endless supply.

If by endless, you mean about 4.3 billion total, then yes. However, this can be curbed based on geo-targeted banning, since all those IPs you keep getting are still from your general location (and can be traced as such).

And if you try proxies, they can do the same with entire countries, since MOST http proxies come from either China, Russia, Indonesia, or Turkey.

Just sayin'.

queencitybuckeye;723417 wrote:Actually, it's a finite number.

Yes, a little under 4.3 billion total IPs exist, as I recall.

ManO'War;723998 wrote:So you need ID to buy a pack of cigarettes or cash a $10 check, but some people think it is okay to vote without ID???

IMO, you should need a valid picture ID AND a social security card.

I wouldn't mind that.

thavoice;724050 wrote:What about a spouse who stays at home who does not have utilities in that person's name, no bank account because it is in the other spouses name, does not get a government check and does not work?

Also what about someone who just turned 18 who has no yet?

By showing a bill doesnt tell the poll worker anything. Joe Schmo coulda found it in the trash, or got someone elses mail by accident, etc.

Or, just as easily, a person or group could easily make fake utility bills and give them to homeless or even to legit voters who already voted once. John Smith could legally vote as normal, and take a fake utility bill given by someone and vote again.

Yes, there are fake ID's as well, but that would be less likely to happen on a mass scale by someone organizing voter fraud and such.

Don't poke the current house-of-cards system! It'll fall!

stlouiedipalma;724104 wrote:A long time ago I printed "CHECK I. D." in the signature line of my debit card. Believe me, I want them to check my ID when I make a purchase. The sad thing is how many people at the register never even bother to look on the back of any kind of bank card.

Every banker I've asked has said this is the best way to do it, as it forces a person to have an ID to match the card.

Unfortunately, my experience with it being checked is similar to yours.

FairwoodKing;724948 wrote:This idea wouldn't work out here in the state of Washington. Some of our elections are mail only.

That, in and of itself, seems problematic.

FairwoodKing;724948 wrote:This idea wouldn't work out here in the state of Washington. Some of our elections are male only.

Sorry, I could't help myself....

there's been a lot of #winning going on in this thread

Fools. And trolls...

cruiser_96;727982 wrote:Fools. And trolls...

To whom is this directed?

Not sure where everyone votes but in the township we vote in you have always had to have an id to vote. If you dont have one you dont vote. Im not sure if it is just a township thing or what.

O-Trap;728011 wrote:To whom is this directed?

To anyone Charlie Sheen is speaking to.

WINNING!!!

I recently watched the interview with him. VERY entertaining.

"I'm tired of living like I'm not special! I have tiger blood and Adonis DNA." ...okay, Chuck. Whatever you say.