Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Jun 30, 2011 2:18pm
Commander of Awesome;818865 wrote:Chad Ford
Not sure I like this deal for Cavs. Hickson is younger, bigger and has a higher PER. Became a major rebounder in 2nd half of season.
Lol major rebounder...
Midstate01
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Jun 30, 2011 2:20pm
The cavs, IMO, have to completely rid themselves of anyone attached to lbj before they can completely move on.
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BR1986FB
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Jun 30, 2011 2:26pm
Midstate01;818888 wrote:The cavs, IMO, have to completely rid themselves of anyone attached to lbj before they can completely move on.
That's what I've been saying. Boobie & Varejao would be next but I don't see them dumping AV anytime soon.
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Jun 30, 2011 2:28pm
BR1986FB;818897 wrote:That's what I've been saying. Boobie & Varejao would be next but I don't see them dumping AV anytime soon.
Unless the lakers wanna make a trade. I had read where mike brown wanted him.
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BR1986FB
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Jun 30, 2011 2:33pm
Midstate01;818901 wrote:Unless the lakers wanna make a trade. I had read where mike brown wanted him.
Oh, I don't doubt there's a market for AV but he's about the only legit guy they have right now that can play center, even if he is undersized for the position.
Midstate01
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Jun 30, 2011 2:43pm
BR1986FB;818909 wrote:Oh, I don't doubt there's a market for AV but he's about the only legit guy they have right now that can play center, even if he is undersized for the position.
Agreed
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Jun 30, 2011 2:51pm
Don't know anything about this dude. With the drafting of Thompson it made sense to ship off Hickson and the Cavs bring in a position of need. The draft pick is nice, although it may not be the Cavs pick for two more years.
Guess it shows there wasn't a huge market for Hickson, as the player from Sacramento was completely expendable after they picked up Jimmer.
Guess it shows there wasn't a huge market for Hickson, as the player from Sacramento was completely expendable after they picked up Jimmer.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Jun 30, 2011 3:01pm
Would've been nice if the Cavs could've held out for a less protected 1st rounder but I have a feeling with the CBA ending they wanted to get this deal in before the deadline.
TigerNation10
Posts: 483
Jun 30, 2011 3:02pm
The only part I don't like was that in LeBron's last year reports were saying that the Cavs not wanting to give up Hickson was what stopped a few big trades from taking place. I forget who the players were specifically but the Cavs did not want to give up Hickson.
For this team now though, I like the trade.
For this team now though, I like the trade.
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BR1986FB
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Jun 30, 2011 3:03pm
TigerNation10;818940 wrote:The only part I don't like was that in LeBron's last year reports were saying that the Cavs not wanting to give up Hickson was what stopped a few big trades from taking place. I forget who the players were specifically but the Cavs did not want to give up Hickson.
For this team now though, I like the trade.
Just saw where the Hickson/Amare thing was more fable than fact.
grodt
Posts: 1,588
Jun 30, 2011 3:05pm
BR1986FB;818942 wrote:Just saw where the Hickson/Amare thing was more fable than fact.
Steve Kerr, Phoenix's GM at the time, said he never once considered trading Amare for JJ.
mucalum49
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Jun 30, 2011 3:06pm
I think it was more that the Kings have Donte Greene and Fransisco Garcia. Not sure why Jimmer as PG would make Casspi a SF expendable.thedynasty1998;818930 wrote:Don't know anything about this dude. With the drafting of Thompson it made sense to ship off Hickson and the Cavs bring in a position of need. The draft pick is nice, although it may not be the Cavs pick for two more years.
Guess it shows there wasn't a huge market for Hickson, as the player from Sacramento was completely expendable after they picked up Jimmer.
Edit: I just looked at this and stat wise I'm not sure why Sac gave up Casspi. Garcia posts comparable stats to Casspi but is 6 years older. And Greene only averaged 5 ppg.
Wooball
Posts: 1,325
Jun 30, 2011 3:07pm
I have seen the lottery protection as follows:
Top 14 protected in 2012
Top 13 protected in 2013
Top 12 protected in 2014
Top 10 protected in 2015-2017
IF the pick is not conveyed to the Cavs by 2017, the Cavs receive the Kings 2nd round pick in 2017.
Oh, and Omri Casspi is supposedly dating Bar Refaeli
Top 14 protected in 2012
Top 13 protected in 2013
Top 12 protected in 2014
Top 10 protected in 2015-2017
IF the pick is not conveyed to the Cavs by 2017, the Cavs receive the Kings 2nd round pick in 2017.
Oh, and Omri Casspi is supposedly dating Bar Refaeli
Wooball
Posts: 1,325
Jun 30, 2011 3:09pm
BR1986FB;818942 wrote:Just saw where the Hickson/Amare thing was more fable than fact.
You don't say! You mean Ferry was a complete moron and didn't hold up trading for one of the top 20 players in the NBA because he didn't want to part with JJ Hickson????
robj55
Posts: 9,511
Jun 30, 2011 3:13pm
Casspi is a talented player, he will start at the 3 for Cleveland next year.
thedynasty1998
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Jun 30, 2011 3:24pm
mucalum49;818945 wrote:I think it was more that the Kings have Donte Greene and Fransisco Garcia. Not sure why Jimmer as PG would make Casspi a SF expendable.
Edit: I just looked at this and stat wise I'm not sure why Sac gave up Casspi. Garcia posts comparable stats to Casspi but is 6 years older. And Greene only averaged 5 ppg.
Didn't mean Jimmer as a direct replacement but more as another scoring guard.
Sage
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Jun 30, 2011 3:39pm
Good trade for the Cavs, IMO.
Crimson streak
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Jun 30, 2011 5:48pm
I love the trade. I just wished it wasn't lottery protected as next years draft is loaded.
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BR1986FB
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Jun 30, 2011 6:21pm
WKNR had a guy from SAC who covers the Kings on this afternoon and he had a lot of good things to say about Casspi. Said he plays every play like it's his last (high motor) and is very confident. Said he "sometimes thinks he's better than he really is." That he (Casspi) feels like he could start/contribute on any team in the NBA. Also said he has a "mean streak." On the negative he said that he wasn't a good defender....not a sieve but still not a good defender.
KR1245
Posts: 4,317
Jun 30, 2011 7:27pm
I'm sad to see JJ go but I like the trade. I thought the kid showed alot of promise, I would have liked to see him stick around a little bit longer.
This was probably a move that had to be made, from everything that I have read it sounds like JJ wants to get paid and get paid BIG. Cavs werent going to offer JJ the type of money that he is after. Hopefully the Kings have a solid year and that pick is just outside the top 14
This was probably a move that had to be made, from everything that I have read it sounds like JJ wants to get paid and get paid BIG. Cavs werent going to offer JJ the type of money that he is after. Hopefully the Kings have a solid year and that pick is just outside the top 14
KR1245
Posts: 4,317
Jun 30, 2011 7:28pm
Cavs might not be done. Maybe they're worried about the TPE going to waste
Closest thing to good news heard today: Cavs still very open to making another trade before midnight using their $14.6M trade exception half a minute ago via TweetDeck
No deal imminent at last report but CLE preference is using it now since no one knows if such exceptions will even exist in next labor pact
CLE exception expires July 11 under current CBA. But we'll be in midst of lockout then, so Cavs motivated to keep looking for deals tonight
Closest thing to good news heard today: Cavs still very open to making another trade before midnight using their $14.6M trade exception half a minute ago via TweetDeck
No deal imminent at last report but CLE preference is using it now since no one knows if such exceptions will even exist in next labor pact
CLE exception expires July 11 under current CBA. But we'll be in midst of lockout then, so Cavs motivated to keep looking for deals tonight
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Jun 30, 2011 7:44pm
Be nice to see them get something done!!
jordo212000
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Jun 30, 2011 7:52pm
I think Hickson is the better player, but with the Thompson pick he became expendable. The article I read earlier said that he was also clashing with Scott from time to time.
Not a bad trade for Cleveland. Casspi isn't terrible, and he'll probably start right away. And obviously the Cavs needed to deal a big man. Getting a 1st rounder is good for them too.
However, Grant is a complete boob if he lets that trade exception slip away without using it. DO SOMETHING
Not a bad trade for Cleveland. Casspi isn't terrible, and he'll probably start right away. And obviously the Cavs needed to deal a big man. Getting a 1st rounder is good for them too.
However, Grant is a complete boob if he lets that trade exception slip away without using it. DO SOMETHING
Pick6
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Jun 30, 2011 8:37pm
I really think the league will give the cavs an extension if they dont use the TPE
KR1245
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Jun 30, 2011 8:41pm
Pick6;819152 wrote:I really think the league will give the cavs an extension if they dont use the TPE
That be nice. I would rather sit on it than watch Grant make any dumb trades. Sounds like the Cavs are looking for bad contracts and 2012 picks