How Much Trouble Is OSU and Tressel in Now?!

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Mar 12, 2011 6:59 PM
password;709207 wrote:It really makes no difference when the Feds knew about the memorabilia because it is not a federal crime to own sports memorabilia.It sounds like the lawyer was just trying to help Tressel out by telling him who was selling the stuff to Rife and hoped that Tressel would tell the players to stay away from him.Has anyone ever thought that Tressel talked to the 2 players and told them to stop their association with Rife and told them to keep quiet about all of this and he would hide it from the school because it would cause the NCAA to suspend them and he did not want to ruin his season.

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lol I am sure that happened. And thats why Gee and Smith are sticking with Tressel. lol No way, no how do I believe Tressel was trying to cover things up dating back to April. Smith would have axed his ass in a second. Maybe Tress talked to the players, and they said they were not involved...
Sorry, but I refuse to believe that Smith and Gee would have stuck with Tressel if it were as bad as the above.
Mar 12, 2011 6:59pm
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Mar 12, 2011 7:25 PM
centralbucksfan;709460 wrote:lol I am sure that happened. And thats why Gee and Smith are sticking with Tressel. lol No way, no how do I believe Tressel was trying to cover things up dating back to April. Smith would have axed his ass in a second. Maybe Tress talked to the players, and they said they were not involved...
Sorry, but I refuse to believe that Smith and Gee would have stuck with Tressel if it were as bad as the above.

So, just for conversation's sake (open question)...

If one of those conspiracy theories is true - let's say Tressel did actually tell Smith (and Gee, if it makes a difference) and it was Smith's idea to keep it quiet. And now Tressel is indeed taking the fall to save the program. Does that alleviate Tressel's culpability in an OSU fan's mind? Or would it have demonstrated true integrity to go ahead and go above Smith/whoever (to the NCAA?) and risk losing his job for doing "the right thing".
Mar 12, 2011 7:25pm
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Mar 12, 2011 7:53 PM
enigmaax;709487 wrote:So, just for conversation's sake (open question)...

If one of those conspiracy theories is true - let's say Tressel did actually tell Smith (and Gee, if it makes a difference) and it was Smith's idea to keep it quiet. And now Tressel is indeed taking the fall to save the program. Does that alleviate Tressel's culpability in an OSU fan's mind? Or would it have demonstrated true integrity to go ahead and go above Smith/whoever (to the NCAA?) and risk losing his job for doing "the right thing".

I don't believe in the theory that Tressel was covering up for Smith or anyone else. What I do believe, is what I stated last nite. I believe the federal investigation played a part in Tressel not going to Smith/OSU. Where he got in trouble, is when he did't come clean in Dec. when it call game down. Thus the 2 game suspension, fine and Gee/Smith still in his corner. I believe Tressel possibly forwarded the emails he got to his personal lawyer, who possibly got in touch with the Feds. Feds said investigation is ongoing, not to do anything or it could cause harm to the investigation and possibly put players in danger. Thats my two cents. And thats why I think Gee/Smith are in his corner. Why he didn't come clean in Dec...well, thats the head scratcher.
Mar 12, 2011 7:53pm
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Mar 12, 2011 8:00 PM
thedynasty1998;708805 wrote:I still don't understand what you mean by total support? They work with him, or course they support him. Doesn't mean he didn't screw up.

Maybe Gene Smith thought it was sufficient. The NCAA will end up deciding that.

Based on the "facts" you last sentence is the only way to comprehend this. I agree that there is something more to it, but for people to say stick to the facts yet throw out these conspiracy theories is funny.
Are you that simple minded? Tressel works FOR Gene Smith and Gordon Gee. They are his superiors. He answers to them. No way would they do what they did in their support if it was any worse than what it is. No way, no how.
Its now March. The emails were found in Jan. OSU has been working on this, WITH the NCAA and a firm they hired for a solid 2 months. If things were worse, the suspension, fine, would have been greater IMO...or worse he would have been fired. OSU also hired a consulting firm to work with them in terms of what the penalties would be. Maybe the NCAA will do more. I personally don't think they will, at worse maybe add another game or two at most.
Mar 12, 2011 8:00pm
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Mar 13, 2011 12:09 AM
sherm03;708293 wrote:I don't think that's the discussion. I think at one point it was...but now it's not IF he should lose his job, it's SHOULD he lose his job.
I think the "should" is up to Gee and Smith, and I've never seen a coach in trouble with the NCAA get defended and praised by his AD and University Prez like Tressel has.
centralbucksfan;708733 wrote:Again, the only time I am disturbed about, is why he didn't come forward in Dec. when it all went down. I don't believe the investigation or Feds came to OSU until Dec. So the investigation was still ongoing. SO if my scenario has any truth to it, that would have been the only time Tressel could have come clean once the Feds were finished, or had come to OSU. The April, June or Sept dates mean nothing to me as I can come up with many reasons why Tress didn't come forward during those times. Now Dec. I can't come up with anything. And thats the major head scratcher.

That's my issue as well- why he didn't come clean in December. As a human being, I can see him holding back because he knew he would be held accountable for not disclosing back in April and that he would be admitting he violated NCAA guidelines. Perhaps he saw the players 5-game punishment as closure to the whole situation. That's not an excuse- he still should've come clean, and I can't see how he thought it would stay buried forever with the emails and all.
Its now March. The emails were found in Jan. OSU has been working on this, WITH the NCAA and a firm they hired for a solid 2 months. If things were worse, the suspension, fine, would have been greater IMO...or worse he would have been fired. OSU also hired a consulting firm to work with them in terms of what the penalties would be. Maybe the NCAA will do more. I personally don't think they will, at worse maybe add another game or two at most.
I keep hearing many say the NCAA should have OSU's 2010 season (minus the Sugar Bowl) vacated, along with another few games worth of suspensions for JT. That would stink, as it would be a permanent black eye for the program. I'm not an OSU historian, but I can't remember any season (or stretch of games) that had to be vacated in the past 100 years.
Mar 13, 2011 12:09am
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Mar 13, 2011 10:50 AM
jhay78;709670 wrote:I keep hearing many say the NCAA should have OSU's 2010 season (minus the Sugar Bowl) vacated, along with another few games worth of suspensions for JT. That would stink, as it would be a permanent black eye for the program. I'm not an OSU historian, but I can't remember any season (or stretch of games) that had to be vacated in the past 100 years.

Well, Gene Smith used to work for the NCAA infractions committee. AND, as mentioned, OSU hired a consulting firm familar with NCAA infractions AND OSU had been in constant contact with the NCAA since discovering the emails in Jan. Maybe the NCAA will do more...who knows. But I think when considering the above...OSU did their homework in terms of the penalties they laid down. If the NCAA does more, so be it. Tressel put himself in this situation and will have to deal with it. Not sure I believe Tressel/OSU deserve more...but I wouldn't argue if more came down.
Mar 13, 2011 10:50am
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Mar 13, 2011 12:08 PM
Why is that guy getting death threats. Get your act together SE Ohio and stop sending death threats from your trailers.
Mar 13, 2011 12:08pm
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Mar 13, 2011 12:18 PM
CinciX12;709818 wrote:Why is that guy getting death threats. Get your act together SE Ohio and stop sending death threats from your trailers.
Fuck off dickwad. They're just as many trailers in Cincinnati as there are in SE Ohio. Maybe you just can't see them, or find them. Try looking behind all the crack houses, the whore houses, or the gang banging buildings the make up your city.
Mar 13, 2011 12:18pm
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Mar 13, 2011 12:25 PM
OhioStatePride2003;709827 wrote:Fuck off dickwad. They're just as many trailers in Cincinnati as there are in SE Ohio. Maybe you just can't see them, or find them. Try looking behind all the crack houses, the whore houses, or the gang banging buildings the make up your city.

to be honest, there are many more---the place is a cesspool
Mar 13, 2011 12:25pm
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Mar 13, 2011 12:50 PM
Every fan base has its idiots -- and since OSU has one of the largest fan bases in the country, they probably have a few more idiots working the e-mails, phones, etc.

It's a shame.

I'd say 100 percent of the Buckeye fans I know and interact with, including almost all of them on a Buckeye message board I frequent, have no problem with what the attorney did (other than thinking he might face disciplinary action by the folks who hand out law licenses), and accept the fact that JT made a really, really bad error in judgment. My hope is the NCAA accepts OSU's penalties and that's the end of it.
Mar 13, 2011 12:50pm
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Mar 13, 2011 1:17 PM
OSU has done/been doing what they can given the circumstances. Tress put himself and the school in a tough spot.
The going's on were out of his control. I have teenagers at home and you can preach til your blue in the face, but you can't be there to hold their hands all the time, so you can only hope they make good decisions.
Tress holding that info....bad decision. I still believe it was obvious that he passed that info along to someone and that it will come out in the end. Hopefully the discipline dished out will be as severe as it will get, but I doubt it. The NCAA has no one to answere to & no "recipe" of disciplinary action to follow, so who knows what they'll do.
I have a hater buddy who is currently up on his high horse and if he had his way would strip OSU of all trophy's under Tress and players under him throughout his tenor, including Youngstown, because "he's had to cheat to win and must have been cheating back then too". This guy is a real Munson and would make the haters on here look like pussycats. He is a Notre Dame fan and one of the best one's he's come up with yet is that "Tress hasn't done a thing, BCS games are meaningless, you need national championships....like the Irish" ....I promptly text a background check to him on Lou Holtz that makes Tress look like a choir boy. My phones been quiet ever since.
Don't let my buddy in on this, but I like Holtz, my point is you could no doubt look at any big time program and pick it apart. There are so many rules it's ridiculous and the NCAA writes an un-edited book.
I'm not justifying, because whats been done wasn't handled in the right way, but to all the persons out there saying "AH HA! I told ya so"........REALLY?
Mar 13, 2011 1:17pm
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Mar 13, 2011 3:03 PM
vball10set;709833 wrote:to be honest, there are many more---the place is a cesspool

Every city in America has more trailers and crack houses than they want but seriously Columbus area has more crack houses and gang bangers than most cities.When comparing Cincinnati and OSU the quarterback from Cincinnati has never been in the trouble that Pryor has been in over the years and never will.That is called having some class about yourself and Pryor lacks that.
Mar 13, 2011 3:03pm
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Mar 13, 2011 4:28 PM
Cinci crack houses>Cbus crack houses....Cinci=cesspool
Mar 13, 2011 4:28pm
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Mar 13, 2011 5:00 PM
vball10set;710096 wrote:Cinci crack houses>Cbus crack houses....Cinci=cesspool

And Youngstown crack houses are worse than all of them. So shut the hell up. How the fuck did this turn into a debate about which city is worse anyways? Both are in Ohio. So by default, both are pretty crappy places to live.

Back to the topic. I find it interesting that Ohio State considered suspending Tressel for Spring and Summer practices, as well as "several games during the 2011" in their original self-report sent to the NCAA. They then decided to change that to the 2 game/$250,000 fine and updated the self-report to remove those initial remarks and change to the punishment handed down.

That's an interesting thing to note.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6201208
Mar 13, 2011 5:00pm
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Mar 13, 2011 5:04 PM
my crackhouse in cincinnati is very nice.
Mar 13, 2011 5:04pm
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Mar 13, 2011 5:09 PM
CinciX12;709818 wrote:Why is that guy getting death threats. Get your act together SE Ohio and stop sending death threats from your trailers.

did they find who sent the death threats? because this is a pretty ignorant thing to say if you don't know where they came from.
Mar 13, 2011 5:09pm
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Mar 13, 2011 5:12 PM
So why are we accusing SE Ohio of being the origin of the death threats haha? I'm guessing the threats are more than likely coming from near Columbus. I mean I don't see some dude from Athens driving all the way up to C'bus to take out Cicero
Mar 13, 2011 5:12pm
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Mar 13, 2011 5:47 PM
sherm03;710164 wrote:And Youngstown crack houses are worse than all of them. So shut the hell up. How the fuck did this turn into a debate about which city is worse anyways? Both are in Ohio. So by default, both are pretty crappy places to live.

LOL-- and you know this how? frickin' moron
Mar 13, 2011 5:47pm
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Mar 13, 2011 5:47 PM
justincredible;710175 wrote:my crackhouse in cincinnati is very nice.

juccuzzi? :D
Mar 13, 2011 5:47pm
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Mar 13, 2011 5:57 PM
vball10set;710271 wrote:LOL-- and you know this how? frickin' moron

I'll second it...our per capita to availability is off the charts..very intimate settings. lol
Mar 13, 2011 5:57pm
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Mar 13, 2011 6:00 PM
vball10set;710271 wrote:LOL-- and you know this how? frickin' moron

Because I grew up in Youngstown and saw first hand just how shitty the city of Youngstown is. When old ladies start getting shot and killed coming out of mass in Columbus or Cincinnati, then we can talk about what city sucks more. Until then, let's just continue to discuss why Tressel is a cheater and a liar.

Frickin' moron.
Mar 13, 2011 6:00pm
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Mar 13, 2011 6:02 PM
Oh ya...and I frequent crack houses and have become quite the connoisseur.
Mar 13, 2011 6:02pm
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Mar 14, 2011 10:47 AM
sherm03;710306 wrote:Because I grew up in Youngstown and saw first hand just how shitty the city of Youngstown is. When old ladies start getting shot and killed coming out of mass in Columbus or Cincinnati, then we can talk about what city sucks more. Until then, let's just continue to discuss why Tressel is a cheater and a liar.

Frickin' moron.
sherm03;710314 wrote:Oh ya...and I frequent crack houses and have become quite the connoisseur.
I was jokingly referring to which crack houses were worse (which you addressed sarcastically in your post above), NOT the cities themselves..try and keep up, tough guy :rolleyes:
Mar 14, 2011 10:47am
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Mar 14, 2011 3:15 PM
If Ohio State worked with the NCAA to come up with a suspension not close to equaling what Bruce Pearl got for a similar offense, then why is it that the NCAA is still getting the chance to rule? If they worked together, don't you think this weak suspension would be enough for them?

The e-mails look awful and he's going to get fricaseed because of them. Remember, there is a large gap between the resolution of the case and any action by Ohio State. The dickwads at the NCAA won't like that.
Mar 14, 2011 3:15pm
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Mar 14, 2011 3:26 PM
You may well end up being right fid, but OSU hired a consulting firm that looked at all the similar precedents of actual NCAA cases (and the punishments) in coming up with the punishment for JT.
Mar 14, 2011 3:26pm