How Much Trouble Is OSU and Tressel in Now?!

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Mar 9, 2011 1:49 PM
LJ;705058 wrote:Link please. His bio on his website says he moved to Columbus first after working in Miami

I'm pretty sure he has a degree from OSU, and he originally covered OSU as a Cleveland Plain Dealer reporter, before leaving and going to the radio station. Doesn't matter. He's always hated JT and OSU football, and ragged on them, even as a writer. For some odd reason, he likes OSU basketball and Matta, though. I think it has to do with Tressel. He's like a lot of media who simply don't like JT for reasons I detailed elsewhere -- making him (JT) a target of media.
Mar 9, 2011 1:49pm
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Mar 9, 2011 1:50 PM
karen lotz;705065 wrote:I'm listening and he just said he is a once proud alum and hopes to be a proud alum again if the University does the right thing.

Everyone isn't bashing him from just what he is saying today. When i was googling him, there were threads from when he first started at The Fan talking about how he is so negative towards the school and seems like he hates everything Ohio State. He says that, but just because he went there, doesn't mean he particulary cares for the University, now, or then. From what I am reading, it seems as though he has always had the same feelings.
Mar 9, 2011 1:50pm
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Mar 9, 2011 2:27 PM
I'm not happy that Tressel did what he did and got caught, but I'm lmao at the tOSU homers spinning the story to blame the SEC, or anybody they can point the finger at. Tressel and OSU are no better than any SEC football program. Facts are facts. That said, I don't see the NCAA coming down hard at all on OSU. FSU and USC were far worse offenses, they got off easy.
Mar 9, 2011 2:27pm
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Mar 9, 2011 2:30 PM
Speedofsand;705122 wrote:I'm not happy that Tressel did what he did and got caught, but I'm lmao at the tOSU homers spinning the story to blame the SEC, or anybody they can point the finger at. Tressel and OSU are no better than any SEC football program. Facts are facts. That said, I don't see the NCAA coming down hard at all on OSU. FSU and USC were far worse offenses, they got off easy.

USC got off easy? Hardly.
Mar 9, 2011 2:30pm
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Mar 9, 2011 2:35 PM
Just curious, if the FBI told him to keep quiet pending a federal investigation involving drug trafficking, then how the hell could he have said anything? He would have been breaking the law...

Got this from Bill Cunninghams show this afternoon 700 WLW
Mar 9, 2011 2:35pm
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Mar 9, 2011 2:39 PM
thedynasty1998;705127 wrote:USC got off easy? Hardly.

considering the offenses? i'd be inclined to say they got off pretty easy. the NCAA is too petrified of what it did to SMU to punish too harshly and you'll always see them err on the side of "taking it easy" on any school.
Mar 9, 2011 2:39pm
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Mar 9, 2011 2:41 PM
ou1980;705134 wrote:Just curious, if the FBI told him to keep quiet pending a federal investigation involving drug trafficking, then how the hell could he have said anything? He would have been breaking the law...

Got this from Bill Cunninghams show this afternoon 700 WLW

You are assuming way too much. If that were true, he wouldn't have been suspended and in all likelihood he would have stated this to the NCAA in their investigation.
Mar 9, 2011 2:41pm
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Mar 9, 2011 2:57 PM
Speedofsand;705122 wrote:I'm not happy that Tressel did what he did and got caught, but I'm lmao at the tOSU homers spinning the story to blame the SEC, or anybody they can point the finger at. Tressel and OSU are no better than any SEC football program. Facts are facts. That said, I don't see the NCAA coming down hard at all on OSU. FSU and USC were far worse offenses, they got off easy.

at FSU they actually suspend players and kick players out of the program. and not average players. it wasnt that long ago bowden suspended 30 some players for a bowl game. he suspended a biletnikoff finalist for the bcs championship game. when has tressel aka minnimum jim ever suspended a star player for a bowl game. at the most tressel would is take away their high speed connection. you cant even compare those 2 programs. if this was a sec program OSU fans would be screaming for the death penalty. tressel lied , mislead and tried to cover it up. he and thee ohio state university should be slapped hard for this. what tressel did was far worse than what the players did.
Mar 9, 2011 2:57pm
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Mar 9, 2011 2:58 PM
ou1980;705134 wrote:Just curious, if the FBI told him to keep quiet pending a federal investigation involving drug trafficking, then how the hell could he have said anything? He would have been breaking the law...

Got this from Bill Cunninghams show this afternoon 700 WLW

Your first problem is that you're listening to Big Willy. That guy is a jackass. And clearly, Willy didn't read the emails that were published.

The FBI did not contact Tressel to tell him to keep quiet. I would think that if they had, that would have been mentioned at some point. An attorney contacted Tressel. Now we have no idea who this attorney is. From reading the emails, it sounds like someone who was giving legal advice to the tattoo guy. So one would be led to believe that he had no tie-in with the Feds.

But the attorney did not bring up confidentiality in the first email. He brought that up in the second email that came two weeks later. So basically, JT got the info at the beginning of April. Sat on it, and then got further clarification two weeks later. In that second email, the attorney mentioned confidentiality...and that's what Tressel is hanging his hat on. But in no way (at least according to what the public knows) did the FBI contact Tressel about the case, and the first email did not mention any type of confidentiality. Similarly, the last email in June mentions that the Federal case was wrapped up. That means that JT could have revealed what he knew then. But he didn't. Once again he sat on the info. In December, when the NCAA found out about everything, JT never mentioned the emails. That's where the problem is.

Bottom line...don't listen to Bill Cunningham. He's a complete moron-douche-tool.
Mar 9, 2011 2:58pm
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Mar 9, 2011 3:02 PM
After re-reading the emails, anyone think that the "attorney" in question is actually Tressel's personal attorney? Could be why it seemed as though this guy has met with/talked to Tressel before. And could account for the fact that Tressel didn't forward them off to at least his own personal attorney to find out what to do.
Mar 9, 2011 3:02pm
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Mar 9, 2011 3:03 PM
sherm03;705166 wrote:After re-reading the emails, anyone think that the "attorney" in question is actually Tressel's personal attorney? Could be why it seemed as though this guy has met with/talked to Tressel before. And could account for the fact that Tressel didn't forward them off to at least his own personal attorney to find out what to do.

No way. Tressel's personal attorney would be smart enough to not email him that type of information. Plus, this attorney's grammar is pretty poor, so I'm thinking he's some low level attorney.
Mar 9, 2011 3:03pm
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Mar 9, 2011 3:06 PM
thedynasty1998;705170 wrote:No way. Tressel's personal attorney would be smart enough to not email him that type of information. Plus, this attorney's grammar is pretty poor, so I'm thinking he's some low level attorney.

My bosses send out emails with some of the worst grammar and spelling I have ever seen. Just because the email doesn't look professional means the guy can't be JT's lawyer? If you were friends with someone, would you worry about proper paragraphs, punctuation, etc. when sending them news like this?

But you may be right. Tressel's attorney is probably smart enough to not leave a paper trail with this sort of stuff. It probably would have been handled over the phone so that it couldn't be traced.
Mar 9, 2011 3:06pm
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Mar 9, 2011 3:07 PM
sherm03;705174 wrote:My bosses send out emails with some of the worst grammar and spelling I have ever seen. Just because the email doesn't look professional means the guy can't be JT's lawyer? If you were friends with someone, would you worry about proper paragraphs, punctuation, etc. when sending them news like this?

But you may be right. Tressel's attorney is probably smart enough to not leave a paper trail with this sort of stuff. It probably would have been handled over the phone so that it couldn't be traced.
Yea, the grammar isn't as important as the fact that it was sent to his @osu.edu email. No attorney of Tressel discussing this type of sensitive information is going to email like this.
Mar 9, 2011 3:07pm
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Mar 9, 2011 3:09 PM
thedynasty1998;705176 wrote:Yea, the grammar isn't as important as the fact that it was sent to his @osu.edu email. No attorney of Tressel discussing this type of sensitive information is going to email like this.

You're probably right about that.
Mar 9, 2011 3:09pm
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Mar 9, 2011 3:09 PM
KnightRyder;705159 wrote:when has tressel aka minnimum jim ever suspended a star player for a bowl game.

Troy Smith?
Mar 9, 2011 3:09pm
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Mar 9, 2011 3:13 PM
sherm03;705161 wrote:The FBI did not contact Tressel to tell him to keep quiet. I would think that if they had, that would have been mentioned at some point. An attorney contacted Tressel. Now we have no idea who this attorney is. From reading the emails, it sounds like someone who was giving legal advice to the tattoo guy. So one would be led to believe that he had no tie-in with the Feds.

It is odd, and he says he has the slime ball is in his office, but I wouldn't think that guys lawyer would be worried about ruining a drug case against his own client. (Which is what I've been led to believe is the reason he wanted to keep this information confidential.)
Mar 9, 2011 3:13pm
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Mar 9, 2011 3:19 PM
Urban Meyer saying it's still WAY too early to start making charges, and he says this after listening to and reading all the details up to this point...
Mar 9, 2011 3:19pm
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Mar 9, 2011 3:21 PM
FatHobbit;705188 wrote:It is odd, and he says he has the slime ball is in his office, but I wouldn't think that guys lawyer would be worried about ruining a drug case against his own client. (Which is what I've been led to believe is the reason he wanted to keep this information confidential.)
Emails never said it was his client. The attorney said that the guy "wanted his opinion on the situation." The tattoo guy may have just sought his advice about the situation. In any case, once that happens, the lawyer isn't allowed to tell Tressel because it violates attorney/client privilege. Even if the guy wasn't technically the attorney's client...he can't divulge that info to JT because it's a breach of ethics. So the attorney asking JT to keep it confidential appears (at least to me) to have nothing to do with mucking up an investigation...but rather covering the attorney's ass because he didn't want to get disbarred for breaking privilege.

Just my opinion on what I've read in the emails. I could be off base. But it's how I read it.
Mar 9, 2011 3:21pm
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Mar 9, 2011 3:22 PM
thedynasty1998;704809 wrote:I haven't read anything on here since the presser, but here are some of my thoughts:

1. Tressel never apologized. I do not like that.
2. He said that he didn't come forward because of the confidentiality of the issue, however, the original email didn't ask for confidentiality.
3. How stupid can he not to go forward when there was a federal investigation? Did he think it was going to go away.
4. This isn't as big of an issue as some want to make it out to be.

When reading these emails and passing judgment, keep in mind that when osu and tressel first disclosed this they indicated they DID NOT know that the what they were disclosing was a ncaa violation! That being said, jt's statement that he was more concerned about the federal charges makes more sense... and also keep that in mind reading this return comments.... not totally defending him here but i don't see anyone bringing this in the light of yesterdays disclosures...
Mar 9, 2011 3:22pm
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Mar 9, 2011 3:30 PM
Tressel didn't know that players selling rings, jerseys, gold pants and receiving free tattoos was an NCAA violation? Come on. Tressel was concerned about winning games, not federal charges.
Mar 9, 2011 3:30pm
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Mar 9, 2011 3:39 PM
Re: confidentiality issue, I have to wonder if the emails that were released were the full and complete email. I would be surprised if the attorney's email account didn't contain a boilerplate "signature" paragraph that listed general confidentiality requirements of the email. Every attorney I've swapped emails with has the boilerplate language. Not saying Tressel should have immediately went to OSU's legal counsel, but that boilerplate paragraph may have been removed from print for whatever reason.
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Mar 9, 2011 3:44 PM
dat dude;705212 wrote:Re: confidentiality issue, I have to wonder if the emails that were released were the full and complete email. I would be surprised if the attorney's email account didn't contain a boilerplate "signature" paragraph that listed general confidentiality requirements of the email. Every attorney I've swapped emails with has the boilerplate language. Not saying Tressel should have immediately went to OSU's legal counsel, but that boilerplate paragraph may have been removed from print for whatever reason.

Copies of the e-mails given to the press. All confidential information was redacted.(blacked out)
Mar 9, 2011 3:44pm
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Mar 9, 2011 3:53 PM
dat dude;705212 wrote:Re: confidentiality issue, I have to wonder if the emails that were released were the full and complete email. I would be surprised if the attorney's email account didn't contain a boilerplate "signature" paragraph that listed general confidentiality requirements of the email. Every attorney I've swapped emails with has the boilerplate language. Not saying Tressel should have immediately went to OSU's legal counsel, but that boilerplate paragraph may have been removed from print for whatever reason.

Why release incomplete emails to the press and remove a piece that basically would confirm your coach's reasoning for the action taken? I would think that if the emails contained the paragraph that you are referencing, OSU would have WANTED to leave that in to further solidify what Tressel was saying. Taking it out hurts nobody but Tressel in this instance. Therefore, it's pretty safe to say that there was no confidentiality paragraph at the bottom of the email.
Mar 9, 2011 3:53pm
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Mar 9, 2011 3:54 PM
dat dude;705212 wrote:Re: confidentiality issue, I have to wonder if the emails that were released were the full and complete email. I would be surprised if the attorney's email account didn't contain a boilerplate "signature" paragraph that listed general confidentiality requirements of the email. Every attorney I've swapped emails with has the boilerplate language. Not saying Tressel should have immediately went to OSU's legal counsel, but that boilerplate paragraph may have been removed from print for whatever reason.

Why release incomplete emails to the press and remove a piece that basically would confirm your coach's reasoning for the action taken? I would think that if the emails contained the paragraph that you are referencing, OSU would have WANTED to leave that in to further solidify what Tressel was saying. Taking it out hurts nobody but Tressel in this instance. Therefore, it's pretty safe to say that there was no confidentiality paragraph at the bottom of the email.
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Mar 9, 2011 3:58 PM
What is not being mentioned by the talking heads is the fact that the NCAA was called in early January when Tressel told Smith. The University and the NCAA together interviewed people and investigated Tressel's faux paux in concert. The NCAA learned about the issues involved at the same time Ohio State's compliance office found out. Smith said that's what they do unlike most all other universities, who do their own investigation, then self report to the NCAA. Smith said the reason Ohio State invites the NCAA early into the investigation is hopefully to bring the situation to a conclusion as soon as possible. The talking head's ignorance leads them to incorrectly conclude it could be a year and half before the NCAA concurs with the punishment meted out by OSU or add to the punishment. Typical of today's lazy ass journalists.
Mar 9, 2011 3:58pm