I am an intelligent guy and I've read the description of a classic narcissist -- and Obama fits it almost to a tee. Yes, I think he's THAT into himself; to the point that I think it skews his decision-making at times.

Now I will admit I was a bit on edge when I wrote he's the worst EVER; I was aggravated by his Chicago thug tactics (again); and he's probably not there...yet. But he's easily in the top (bottom) five, in my view. Hell, give him a couple more years and he may move up a few pegs.

Writerbuckeye;685503 wrote:But he's easily in the top (bottom) five, in my view. Hell, give him a couple more years and he may move up a few pegs.

Ranking of presidents in my lifetime:

1. Reagan (Not perfect but the best overall without a doubt.)
2. Nixon (Slimy yet satisfying. Opened the door to China. Watergate would never have brought Nixon down by today's "standards".)
3. Eisenhower (Great general, average POTUS. Liked Hitler's autobahn idea though. lol Remember that the next time you hop on the nearest Interstate.)
4. Clinton (A national embarrassment but at least politically savvy enough to work with Republicans.)
5. Bush I (Read my lips sunk his ship.)
6. Bush II (Questionable staff picks and spent like a Dem.)
7. Ford (Meant well but had no chance to be effective after Watergate.)
8. LBJ (A guns and butter buffoon. But I did like his quote, "I never trust a man until I have his pecker in my pocket.")
9. JFK (Camelot. May have made us feel good at the time but in over his head.)
10. Obama (Hope & Change? More like Dope & Strange. Also in over his head.)
11. Carter (Inept in every sense of the imagination.)

FairwoodKing;685302 wrote:George W. Bush was the worst president of all time. I don't know what Obama could do to top him.

See my post on what I said about Writer. Knee jerk reaction.

Curly J;685327 wrote:Maybe Obama could do the same as Clinton when it came to Terrorism...Nothing, except shooting a million dollar missile and hitting a camel in the Ass then say we showed them. We know Barack would not launch anything against Muslims. I mean his own people. Maybe as Barry he might do it.

We all know W sucked cause he hated Gays...and the hits keep on a rollin'.

SMH. So many things wrong with this.....

Writerbuckeye;685332 wrote:Well, he's already damn near outspent him, already. I'll give Bush credit for one thing...I believe he honestly loved this country and did his best to protect it and make it better. I don't think Obama cares about anything but Obama. He's almost a textbook narcissist and I can see that weakness taking this country right down the tubes.

I lived through Carter and he was an inept jackass. He's an even bigger jackass now. But he failed because he wasn't smart enough to do what needed doing.

That's why I'm now rating Obama worse. Even though the country is teetering on the brink of financial oblivion, he's still sending budgets to Congress that amplify the debt...all the while going on the road to promote himself and feed that narcissism that sits in him like a bottomless pit.

Really? The President doesn't care for the country? Come Writer, you are better than that.

I haven't met Obama so I can't make any judgment about his personal character other than his speeches and press conferences, but he needs a PR person to reel his wife in....another vacation? In Vail? We're still in the midst of an economic disaster and they think this is appropriate?

Manhattan Buckeye;685616 wrote:I haven't met Obama so I can't make any judgment about his personal character other than his speeches and press conferences, but he needs a PR person to reel his wife in....another vacation? In Vail? We're still in the midst of an economic disaster and they think this is appropriate?

I have a feeling Michelle is the one who tells Barack "what time it is is". There's no way Barack's bony little ass could hang with that sista...

BHO: Uhh... Michelle.... uhhh.. what are you doing?
Michelle: White folks be drivin me crazy Barack. I need a vacation.
BHO: uhh.. don't you think... uhh.. another trip would be a public relations disaster.
Michelle: (Michelle shakes head and stares at Barack) What did you just say? I know you didn't just tell me what to do. No man tells me what to do. Not even my father told me what to do.
BHO.. uhh.. Michelle honey..
Michelle: Don't you honey, me mother f*
BHO: uhh... let me be clear.. I did not... uh.... i was merely trying to offer another solution to this crisis...
Michelle: (Slams Door)
BHO: Bye honey....... uh... Oh shit, this is not going to look good. Perhaps I should... uh... go shoot some hoops.

How Long Can Wisconsin Dems Stay in Hiding?

“For us, this is about balancing the budget. We've got a $3.6 billion budget deficit. We are broke. Just like nearly every other state across the country, we're broke. It's about time somebody stood up and told the truth.”

Gov. Scott Walker


Not sure what part about this is so difficult to understand............. I guess maybe we are not dealing with adults.

What Should Wisconsin Gov. Scott Bill Walker Do?

Negotiate a compromise bill with State Senate Democrats 4.11% (787 votes)


Ask Republicans to pull the bill and find another way to cut spending 1.36% (260 votes)


Draw a line in the sand: If you want to keep your job, get back to work -- otherwise, you're fired 93.86% (17,989 votes)


Other (post a comment) 0.67% (129 votes)



Total Votes: 19,165


Seem public opinion is simple fire their happy ass...

The question is then, Belly, is does Wisconsin state law allow for that?

Little Danny --- toooo funny.

Belly --- what is the link for the poll, thanks.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/02/21/decide-wisconsin-gov-scott-walker/

Link to Belly's poll

Manhattan Buckeye;685616 wrote:I haven't met Obama so I can't make any judgment about his personal character other than his speeches and press conferences, but he needs a PR person to reel his wife in....another vacation? In Vail? We're still in the midst of an economic disaster and they think this is appropriate?

How is this much different than spending ANY energy making sure his goons get to Wisconsin and interjecting himself into that mess -- while ignoring his own debt commission's recommendations to help fix the budget? Or other examples of his going in (my view) the wrong direction instead of facing problems he should be in Washington?

From Victor David Hansen:

That characteristic eagerness to grandstand on extraneous issues, while ignoring federal crises, is characteristic of this administration. It will not make meaningful progress in addressing its own massive trillion-dollar debts, reexamine the looming disaster of ObamaCare, gear up to produce more gas and oil in the face of skyrocketing energy costs, or seriously explore ways to get unemployment down below 9%.

Yet in the last twenty-four months, we have learned that the president will indeed declare that: the governor of Wisconsin is using his state budget disaster largely to punish public servants; the police in Cambridge, Massachusetts, act “stupidly” and racially stereotype minorities (“typically&#8221 as do most police departments; the state of Arizona harasses Hispanic children when they go out to eat ice cream, and thus Mexico’s efforts to sue the state should be joined by the U.S. government; much of our ills are due to “fat cat” bankers who junket to Las Vegas and the Super Bowl and cannot seem to grasp that at some point they have made enough money; the pro-democracy protestors in the streets of Tehran are not to be encouraged by our “meddling” (because of our past sins of involvement in Iran), but their counterparts in Cairo are to be encouraged by our meddling (despite our past sins of involvement in Egypt).

This is why I say Obama is one of our worst presidents -- ever, and that he's a classic narcissist (injecting himself into issues he should leave alone because he craves the spotlight). I honestly fear for the welfare of our country when I see him go off on these tangents instead of dealing with the real problems, and YES it makes me question whether he really cares about the country.

Interjecting himself into Wisconsin and tomorrow in Ohio are classic narcissism moments as those issues become, at least briefly, all about him and his beliefs.

CenterBHSFan;685773 wrote:The question is then, Belly, is does Wisconsin state law allow for that?

That and I'm sure the lawsuits would follow. Plus, how long would it take for the state to recover from the firings to fill those positions? What would they do in the meantime?

The more I think about, the more I think a compromise is needed. The Governor should at the very least start to back away from removing Collective Bargaining, while the Unions should give up and accept the pay cuts toward a pension.
I also would not rule out a little bit of a higher tax on the top 1-2% of the state as well. In addition, to offset, I'd lay some people off as well.

Writerbuckeye;685787 wrote:How is this much different than spending ANY energy making sure his goons get to Wisconsin and interjecting himself into that mess -- while ignoring his own debt commission's recommendations to help fix the budget? Or other examples of his going in (my view) the wrong direction instead of facing problems he should be in Washington?

From Victor David Hansen:

That characteristic eagerness to grandstand on extraneous issues, while ignoring federal crises, is characteristic of this administration. It will not make meaningful progress in addressing its own massive trillion-dollar debts, reexamine the looming disaster of ObamaCare, gear up to produce more gas and oil in the face of skyrocketing energy costs, or seriously explore ways to get unemployment down below 9%.

Yet in the last twenty-four months, we have learned that the president will indeed declare that: the governor of Wisconsin is using his state budget disaster largely to punish public servants; the police in Cambridge, Massachusetts, act “stupidly” and racially stereotype minorities (“typically&#8221 as do most police departments; the state of Arizona harasses Hispanic children when they go out to eat ice cream, and thus Mexico’s efforts to sue the state should be joined by the U.S. government; much of our ills are due to “fat cat” bankers who junket to Las Vegas and the Super Bowl and cannot seem to grasp that at some point they have made enough money; the pro-democracy protestors in the streets of Tehran are not to be encouraged by our “meddling” (because of our past sins of involvement in Iran), but their counterparts in Cairo are to be encouraged by our meddling (despite our past sins of involvement in Egypt).

This is why I say Obama is one of our worst presidents -- ever, and that he's a classic narcissist (injecting himself into issues he should leave alone because he craves the spotlight). I honestly fear for the welfare of our country when I see him go off on these tangents instead of dealing with the real problems, and YES it makes me question whether he really cares about the country.

Interjecting himself into Wisconsin and tomorrow in Ohio are classic narcissism moments as those issues become, at least briefly, all about him and his beliefs.

1. VDH is a historian and should stick to it.
2. Just because the President is a narcissist does not equal him being the worst. Hell, Andrew Jackson was probably the most narcissistic President of all time, yet he is considered a top 15 President. Plus, the guy is 2 years in. It is kind of hard to judge a guy, let alone while he is still in office.

Heard one of the AWOL Dems this morning saying something like "Well the ball's in the governor's court now."

Umm, no, everyone's sitting around waiting for the crybabies and tantrum-throwers to come back to work.

As for Obama, I could care less where he ranks among all time presidents, if he's in the bottom five, or whatever. What I do know is that, in addition to spear-heading major power grabs by the federal government (GM, Obamacare, etc.), he is overseeing an administration that sues states trying to enforce its laws (Arizona) and sides with the REAL party of "no" and "government shutdowns".

And as for the despicable media in this country, I have heard and read dozens of references to "government shutdown" when referring to House Republicans and the battle over the budget, when in fact no one who matters in Congress has even suggested such a thing. But when it comes to the Wisconsin debacle, that term is rarely, if ever, used. This issue is one of those moments where the dividing line between "left" and "right" gets clearer and clearer every day. Neutrality is not an option; the American people need to wake up and look at Wisconsin and see what this country could look like if we keep shrugging our shoulders and letting politicians get away with this crap.

Writerbuckeye;685787 wrote:How is this much different than spending ANY energy making sure his goons get to Wisconsin and interjecting himself into that mess -- while ignoring his own debt commission's recommendations to help fix the budget? Or other examples of his going in (my view) the wrong direction instead of facing problems he should be in Washington?

From Victor David Hansen:

That characteristic eagerness to grandstand on extraneous issues, while ignoring federal crises, is characteristic of this administration. It will not make meaningful progress in addressing its own massive trillion-dollar debts, reexamine the looming disaster of ObamaCare, gear up to produce more gas and oil in the face of skyrocketing energy costs, or seriously explore ways to get unemployment down below 9%.

Yet in the last twenty-four months, we have learned that the president will indeed declare that: the governor of Wisconsin is using his state budget disaster largely to punish public servants; the police in Cambridge, Massachusetts, act “stupidly” and racially stereotype minorities (“typically&#8221 as do most police departments; the state of Arizona harasses Hispanic children when they go out to eat ice cream, and thus Mexico’s efforts to sue the state should be joined by the U.S. government; much of our ills are due to “fat cat” bankers who junket to Las Vegas and the Super Bowl and cannot seem to grasp that at some point they have made enough money; the pro-democracy protestors in the streets of Tehran are not to be encouraged by our “meddling” (because of our past sins of involvement in Iran), but their counterparts in Cairo are to be encouraged by our meddling (despite our past sins of involvement in Egypt).

This is why I say Obama is one of our worst presidents -- ever, and that he's a classic narcissist (injecting himself into issues he should leave alone because he craves the spotlight). I honestly fear for the welfare of our country when I see him go off on these tangents instead of dealing with the real problems, and YES it makes me question whether he really cares about the country.

Interjecting himself into Wisconsin and tomorrow in Ohio are classic narcissism moments as those issues become, at least briefly, all about him and his beliefs.

Man, I need to type faster. That's kind of what I was getting at in the earlier post. A brief look at the issues Obama has interjected himself into, compared to the ones he's ignored, tells me (yes, it's just my opinion) that he does not have the best interests of the United States at heart. For those who say he does, then it's a totally different country than the one that became a world superpower, the desired destination of millions of immigrants (legal ones), and a model for freedom and democracy everywhere.

The Dems are going to lose this battle. They've already lost the support of moderates, many of whom are incredibly inconvenienced by the teachers all calling in sick and canceling school, despite the fact that it's illegal for them to strike.

I was in a meeting this morning with a group of law students, who tend to be overwhelmingly liberal (it was for a pro bono project to assist the poor). The professor is a lifelong Dem and has been appointed to various D posts. Not a single person there spoke up in favor of what the unions are doing here--the response was entirely and totally anti-union.

When you get a law school class headed by a D appointee unanimously to oppose what the teachers are doing, the writing is on the wall.

I would like to add something that I have not stated in a long time.... "NOT MY PRESIDENT"

Writerbuckeye;685787 wrote:How is this much different than spending ANY energy making sure his goons get to Wisconsin and interjecting himself into that mess -- while ignoring his own debt commission's recommendations to help fix the budget? Or other examples of his going in (my view) the wrong direction instead of facing problems he should be in Washington?

From Victor David Hansen:

That characteristic eagerness to grandstand on extraneous issues, while ignoring federal crises, is characteristic of this administration. It will not make meaningful progress in addressing its own massive trillion-dollar debts, reexamine the looming disaster of ObamaCare, gear up to produce more gas and oil in the face of skyrocketing energy costs, or seriously explore ways to get unemployment down below 9%.

Yet in the last twenty-four months, we have learned that the president will indeed declare that: the governor of Wisconsin is using his state budget disaster largely to punish public servants; the police in Cambridge, Massachusetts, act “stupidly” and racially stereotype minorities (“typically&#8221 as do most police departments; the state of Arizona harasses Hispanic children when they go out to eat ice cream, and thus Mexico’s efforts to sue the state should be joined by the U.S. government; much of our ills are due to “fat cat” bankers who junket to Las Vegas and the Super Bowl and cannot seem to grasp that at some point they have made enough money; the pro-democracy protestors in the streets of Tehran are not to be encouraged by our “meddling” (because of our past sins of involvement in Iran), but their counterparts in Cairo are to be encouraged by our meddling (despite our past sins of involvement in Egypt).

This is why I say Obama is one of our worst presidents -- ever, and that he's a classic narcissist (injecting himself into issues he should leave alone because he craves the spotlight). I honestly fear for the welfare of our country when I see him go off on these tangents instead of dealing with the real problems, and YES it makes me question whether he really cares about the country.

Interjecting himself into Wisconsin and tomorrow in Ohio are classic narcissism moments as those issues become, at least briefly, all about him and his beliefs.

Fabulous ............ can you put it on JJHuddle or do you want me too .... needs as much viewership as possible.

ptown_trojans_1;685794 wrote:The more I think about, the more I think a compromise is needed. The Governor should at the very least start to back away from removing Collective Bargaining, while the Unions should give up and accept the pay cuts toward a pension.
I also would not rule out a little bit of a higher tax on the top 1-2% of the state as well. In addition, to offset, I'd lay some people off as well.

I have disagree with you in the past, but never once thought your ideas/opinions as terrible. Well, that changes today (lol)
What you're basically saying is that the governor should cave and Chamberlain his way into the democrats/unions good graces. That's absolutely the wrong thing to do, IMO. Hard lines are going to have to be draw at some point all across the country. Wisconsin has drawn theirs already. The worst thing they could do now is to erase the line. That would effectively be a "one step forward, two steps back" situation.
What have the dems in that state done, besides running and hiding, to deserve a compromise? They aren't worthy of their titles of "senator" at this point, let alone compromise.

And what is some layoffs and higher taxes on the top 1-2% going to accomplish at the end of the day besides the same ole same ole?

Remember, it's not like public unions are the only people that are going to get pinched (this is also true in Ohio). Everybody is going to feel the burn, not just them. Why should they feel the least amount of the sting?

ptown_trojans_1;685794 wrote:I also would not rule out a little bit of a higher tax on the top 1-2% of the state as well. In addition, to offset, I'd lay some people off as well.

We already pay ridiculously high state taxes (our top bracket already pays 30% more than the top bracket in Ohio). Wisconsin is taxing and taxing and taxing, and it's resulting in good, solid people leaving the state for more tax-friendly jurisdictions.

CenterBHSFan;686000 wrote:I have disagree with you in the past, but never once thought your ideas/opinions as terrible. Well, that changes today (lol)
What you're basically saying is that the governor should cave and Chamberlain his way into the democrats/unions good graces. That's absolutely the wrong thing to do, IMO. Hard lines are going to have to be draw at some point all across the country. Wisconsin has drawn theirs already. The worst thing they could do now is to erase the line. That would effectively be a "one step forward, two steps back" situation.
What have the dems in that state done, besides running and hiding, to deserve a compromise? They aren't worthy of their titles of "senator" at this point, let alone compromise.

And what is some layoffs and higher taxes on the top 1-2% going to accomplish at the end of the day besides the same ole same ole?

Remember, it's not like public unions are the only people that are going to get pinched (this is also true in Ohio). Everybody is going to feel the burn, not just them. Why should they feel the least amount of the sting?

You say everybody will feel the burn. Can you please be a little more specific about this?

stlouiedipalma;686010 wrote:You say everybody will feel the burn. Can you please be a little more specific about this?

Wisconsin is much like Ohio as far as being so far in debt they can't even see the light of day. Does it make sense to anybody that only cutting out CBA's is going to fix that? Hell no it's not. They WILL have to do alot of other things, and that's probably (sarcasm) going to trickle on down to everybody.
Louie, I know that you know that.
But to think that this is going to be the only thing that happens is pretty much disingenous, don't you think? And to ask that question is either: 1.) you think that I'm just talking nonsense or 2.) looking to get a rise or 3.) you think this is the only thing that Wisconsin/Ohio is going to do to try to get their heads above water or 4.) this is purely a republican vs. democrat thing.

stlouiedipalma;686010 wrote:You say everybody will feel the burn. Can you please be a little more specific about this?

Our Wisconsin budget is currently unsustainable. We are required by law to balance it, which means there will be massive cuts somewhere.

The private sector has already taken quite a hit; at my employer, we've had multiple rounds of layoffs and salary cuts, such that I'll need to work here for 5-6 years before I have the salary that I had when I started. In light of this, I don't think it's unreasonable to ask teachers and other public sector employees to chip in and share the pain.

CenterBHSFan;686016 wrote:Wisconsin is much like Ohio as far as being so far in debt they can't even see the light of day. Does it make sense to anybody that only cutting out CBA's is going to fix that? Hell no it's not. They WILL have to do alot of other things, and that's probably (sarcasm) going to trickle on down to everybody.
Louie, I know that you know that.
But to think that this is going to be the only thing that happens is pretty much disingenous, don't you think? And to ask that question is either: 1.) you think that I'm just talking nonsense or 2.) looking to get a rise or 3.) you think this is the only thing that Wisconsin/Ohio is going to do to try to get their heads above water or 4.) this is purely a republican vs. democrat thing.

Yes, I do know that. I only mentioned this because I know that for any state to balance the budget there must be cuts in spending and, dare I say it, increases in revenue (higher taxes).

I'd like to think that Gov. Walker has other cuts planned to add to the total. If he does, it will show that he has a plan to deal with their deficit. If he doesn't, then he will be exposed as trying to politicize the situation.

stlouiedipalma;686032 wrote:Yes, I do know that. I only mentioned this because I know that for any state to balance the budget there must be cuts in spending and, dare I say it, increases in revenue (higher taxes).

I'd like to think that Gov. Walker has other cuts planned to add to the total. If he does, it will show that he has a plan to deal with their deficit. If he doesn't, then he will be exposed as trying to politicize the situation.

He has many other plans, most of which are being enacted. If you go to his website, you can learn more about the specifics.