Wisconsin Teachers shut down schools for 2nd day to Protest Elimination of CBA

Home ▸ Archive ▸ Politics ▸ Wisconsin Teachers shut down schools for 2nd day to Protest Elimination of CBA
O-Trap's avatar

O-Trap

Chief Shenanigans Officer

14,994 posts
Mar 16, 2011 8:29 PM
SOMEONE ON FACEBOOK FIGURED OUT HOW TO PAY ALL THE TEACHERS THEIR CONTINUED RAISES!! Woohoo!!!!

Mar 16, 2011 8:29pm
M

Manhattan Buckeye

Senior Member

7,566 posts
Mar 17, 2011 3:00 PM
y not print more money!
Mar 17, 2011 3:00pm
O-Trap's avatar

O-Trap

Chief Shenanigans Officer

14,994 posts
Mar 17, 2011 3:02 PM
Manhattan Buckeye;715380 wrote:y not print more money!
If that kid runs for government office, I guarantee people vote for him ...
Mar 17, 2011 3:02pm
dwccrew's avatar

dwccrew

Not Banned

7,817 posts
Mar 17, 2011 8:45 PM
O-Trap;715387 wrote:If that kid runs for government office, I guarantee people vote for him ...

I would, sounds like he has the answers.
Mar 17, 2011 8:45pm
O-Trap's avatar

O-Trap

Chief Shenanigans Officer

14,994 posts
Mar 17, 2011 10:54 PM
dwccrew;715801 wrote:I would, sounds like he has the answers.
Well, hell! Wasn't that tried recently? Just printing more money?
Mar 17, 2011 10:54pm
dwccrew's avatar

dwccrew

Not Banned

7,817 posts
Mar 18, 2011 1:06 AM
O-Trap;716016 wrote:Well, hell! Wasn't that tried recently? Just printing more money?

They should probably print some more and give most of it to me. I'll stimulate the economy myself.
Mar 18, 2011 1:06am
tsst_fballfan's avatar

tsst_fballfan

Senior Member

406 posts
Mar 18, 2011 8:26 AM
Hell they should just print off a million for every American so none of us have to work anymore! lmao
Mar 18, 2011 8:26am
B

Bigdogg

Senior Member

1,429 posts
Mar 18, 2011 12:53 PM
Wisconsin Judge issues TRO to prevent illegal collective bargaining law! Looks like back to the drawing board for Walker.
Dane Co. Judge Maryann Sumi said during a court hearing Friday she will issue a temporary restraining order to stop the Governor Walker's controversial budget repair bill from becoming law.
Judge Sumi's action prevents Secretary of State Doug LaFollette from publishing the bill and allowing it to take the force of law.
http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=14277615
Mar 18, 2011 12:53pm
Q

queencitybuckeye

Senior Member

7,117 posts
Mar 18, 2011 1:14 PM
Bigdogg;716534 wrote:Looks like back to the drawing board for Walker.



Hardly. You do know what the T in TRO stands for, correct? Just another delay.
Mar 18, 2011 1:14pm
S

stlouiedipalma

Senior Member

1,797 posts
Mar 18, 2011 3:53 PM
Exactly. All this means is that they will do the 24-hr. notice and then take another vote on the bill, which will probably pass by the identical margin as before. The only thing the TRO does is identify that the law was broken. That fact will be hard to explain or defend come re-election (or recall) time.
Mar 18, 2011 3:53pm
CenterBHSFan's avatar

CenterBHSFan

333 - I'm only half evil

6,115 posts
Mar 18, 2011 3:57 PM
How can the law be broken when the legislation process creates a new law that over-rides/displaces it?
Mar 18, 2011 3:57pm
O-Trap's avatar

O-Trap

Chief Shenanigans Officer

14,994 posts
Mar 18, 2011 3:58 PM
Was the vote not appropriately made "open" or announced? I didn't follow that part too closely.
Mar 18, 2011 3:58pm
S

stlouiedipalma

Senior Member

1,797 posts
Mar 18, 2011 4:02 PM
CenterBHSFan;716795 wrote:How can the law be broken when the legislation process creates a new law that over-rides/displaces it?

The law in question is the "Open hearing" or "Sunshine" law, which required 24 hour notice and debate. Neither of those were done prior to the vote.
Mar 18, 2011 4:02pm
Q

queencitybuckeye

Senior Member

7,117 posts
Mar 18, 2011 4:06 PM
stlouiedipalma;716789 wrote:That fact will be hard to explain or defend come re-election (or recall) time.

I think that running and hiding out of state when a vote isn't going to go your way will be much harder to defend at election time, at least it would be for me.
Mar 18, 2011 4:06pm
S

stlouiedipalma

Senior Member

1,797 posts
Mar 18, 2011 4:22 PM
queencitybuckeye;716805 wrote:I think that running and hiding out of state when a vote isn't going to go your way will be much harder to defend at election time, at least it would be for me.

I see your point, but the 14 didn't break the law, did they?
Mar 18, 2011 4:22pm
O-Trap's avatar

O-Trap

Chief Shenanigans Officer

14,994 posts
Mar 18, 2011 4:25 PM
stlouiedipalma;716824 wrote:I see your point, but the 14 didn't break the law, did they?
No, they didn't. However, they did exhibit a perceived invincibility from being removed from office for failure to show up for work.

They're certainly not "more guilty" of anything, but they're far from in the clear, either.

It would seem that almost none of them deserves his/her job back come next election.
Mar 18, 2011 4:25pm
Q

queencitybuckeye

Senior Member

7,117 posts
Mar 18, 2011 4:25 PM
stlouiedipalma;716824 wrote:I see your point, but the 14 didn't break the law, did they?

Until/unless someone is convicted (and no one will be), no one has broken the law in the current matter.
Mar 18, 2011 4:25pm
O-Trap's avatar

O-Trap

Chief Shenanigans Officer

14,994 posts
Mar 18, 2011 4:27 PM
queencitybuckeye;716833 wrote:Until/unless someone is convicted (and no one will be), no one has broken the law in the current matter.
That's not true. It means nobody's been found guilty in a court of law yet.
Mar 18, 2011 4:27pm
Q

queencitybuckeye

Senior Member

7,117 posts
Mar 18, 2011 4:29 PM
O-Trap;716837 wrote:That's not true. It means nobody's been found guilty in a court of law yet.

I'm not sure how one would define breaking the law without there being a conviction of some sort. Who says someone broke the law?
Mar 18, 2011 4:29pm
O-Trap's avatar

O-Trap

Chief Shenanigans Officer

14,994 posts
Mar 18, 2011 4:36 PM
queencitybuckeye;716844 wrote:I'm not sure how one would define breaking the law without there being a conviction of some sort. Who says someone broke the law?
I suppose I'm looking at it this way: Law broken = crime committed.

Now, if convicted of a crime in court, it is not said that the crime was committed at the verdict of the trial.

If the law has been broken, it has already been broken. Whether or not that is the case is yet to be determined, though.
Mar 18, 2011 4:36pm
S

stlouiedipalma

Senior Member

1,797 posts
Mar 18, 2011 11:16 PM
Well, the court hasn't yet determined whether the Republicans in Wisconsin actually broke the law. The TRO delays enactment of the bill until the court can rule on whether the Republicans violated (read broke) the law. If that happens then, yes, you could say the Republicans in the Wisconsin Senate broke the law.

Like I said earlier, it won't mean a hill of beans, as the Republicans will simply give notice, allow token debate and pass it again.
Mar 18, 2011 11:16pm
Q

queencitybuckeye

Senior Member

7,117 posts
Mar 19, 2011 8:23 AM
stlouiedipalma;717202 wrote:Well, the court hasn't yet determined whether the Republicans in Wisconsin actually broke the law. The TRO delays enactment of the bill until the court can rule on whether the Republicans violated (read broke) the law. If that happens then, yes, you could say the Republicans in the Wisconsin Senate broke the law.

Like I said earlier, it won't mean a hill of beans, as the Republicans will simply give notice, allow token debate and pass it again.

The Republicans will allow all of the debate the other side wants if they could be bothered to show up.
Mar 19, 2011 8:23am
F

fan_from_texas

Senior Member

2,693 posts
Mar 19, 2011 11:01 AM
stlouiedipalma;716800 wrote:The law in question is the "Open hearing" or "Sunshine" law, which required 24 hour notice and debate. Neither of those were done prior to the vote.

Tough to say--there are exceptions, and a very good argument can be made that this procedure met those exceptions. Regardless, this isn't a big deal in the long run, as the Rs will simply re-notice and pass this again if it comes to it.
Mar 19, 2011 11:01am