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Apr 19, 2011 8:59 AM
so like i posted on the other thread, will Kasich and the rest of the politicians be paid on a merit system?
Apr 19, 2011 8:59am
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Apr 19, 2011 9:50 AM
Glory Days;744714 wrote:so like i posted on the other thread, will Kasich and the rest of the politicians be paid on a merit system?

Not a chance. If they did they would be looking for another job already.
Apr 19, 2011 9:50am
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Apr 19, 2011 10:02 AM
Glory Days;744714 wrote:so like i posted on the other thread, will Kasich and the rest of the politicians be paid on a merit system?

IMO, politicians shouldn't even receive any pay until we get deficits under control. That would eliminate most politicians from running for office and we would get canidates that truly care about fixing this governmet and thi s country.
Apr 19, 2011 10:02am
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Apr 19, 2011 10:31 AM
dwccrew;744754 wrote:IMO, politicians shouldn't even receive any pay until we get deficits under control. That would eliminate most politicians from running for office and we would get canidates that truly care about fixing this governmet and thi s country.
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Apr 19, 2011 10:31am
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Apr 19, 2011 7:28 PM
dwccrew;744754 wrote:IMO, politicians shouldn't even receive any pay until we get deficits under control. That would eliminate most politicians from running for office and we would get canidates that truly care about fixing this governmet and thi s country.

I like it,, but alas, that would require a change in the Constitution as it is in there they have to get paid so not to influence their decisions on different items.
Apr 19, 2011 7:28pm
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Apr 19, 2011 7:53 PM
The problem with that notion is that there are some politicians that think the deficit is under control today. They might be right. The deficit is becoming more and more under the control of foreign nations.
Apr 19, 2011 7:53pm
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Apr 19, 2011 8:08 PM
Con_Alma;745298 wrote:The problem with that notion is that there are some politicians that think the deficit is under control today. They might be right. The deficit is becoming more and more under the control of foreign nations.

I think you should say "other" nations instead of "foreign". They are our "friends"! ;-)

Oh, and btw, SB5 still sucks.
Apr 19, 2011 8:08pm
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Apr 19, 2011 9:17 PM
BRF;745321 wrote:I think you should say "other" nations instead of "foreign". They are our "friends"! ;-)

Oh, and btw, SB5 still sucks.

I guess I don't understand the difference between other nations and foreign nations. Isn't any nation not our own a foreign nation?
Apr 19, 2011 9:17pm
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Apr 19, 2011 9:26 PM
I think BRF was posting that tongue-in-cheek!
Apr 19, 2011 9:26pm
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Apr 19, 2011 9:45 PM
CenterBHSFan;745423 wrote:I think BRF was posting that tongue-in-cheek!

;-)
Apr 19, 2011 9:45pm
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Apr 19, 2011 9:55 PM
Does the subject matter being taught have an impact on a teacher's pay? For instance, does a math teacher make more than a phys ed teacher?
Apr 19, 2011 9:55pm
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Apr 19, 2011 10:33 PM
Prescott;745496 wrote:Does the subject matter being taught have an impact on a teacher's pay? For instance, does a math teacher make more than a phys ed teacher?

Depends on what could be negotiated with the school. You'd probably see some districts pay all the same, some weight some classes' teachers, and some weight other classes' teachers.
Apr 19, 2011 10:33pm
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Apr 20, 2011 6:36 AM
Prescott;745496 wrote:Does the subject matter being taught have an impact on a teacher's pay? For instance, does a math teacher make more than a phys ed teacher?
What does the community value more?
Apr 20, 2011 6:36am
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Apr 20, 2011 8:19 AM
Prescott;745496 wrote:Does the subject matter being taught have an impact on a teacher's pay? For instance, does a math teacher make more than a phys ed teacher?

They should.

Does a brain surgeon make more than a podiatrist? Does a quarterback make more than the placeholder on special teams?

This is how it works in every other profession, including the education profession at higher levels.
Apr 20, 2011 8:19am
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Apr 20, 2011 8:48 AM
Manhattan Buckeye;745732 wrote:They should.

Does a brain surgeon make more than a podiatrist? Does a quarterback make more than the placeholder on special teams?

This is how it works in every other profession, including the education profession at higher levels.

Honest question... So what do you do to the non-core teachers now? Do you cut their pay, to level the playing field, giving the core-teachers more? Or do you give "merit-based" raises to core-teachers?

By keeping pay the same, but giving core-teachers "bonuses," then I can see the door open for some incentive. When you cut pay to non-core, I think incentive goes out the window, incentive to obtain higher education and advanced degrees.
Apr 20, 2011 8:48am
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Apr 20, 2011 9:33 AM
I would hire based on value going forward. I wouldn't necessarily cut base pay of existing but step raises would be gone for all and the Merit based pay might be heavier for those higher value positions.
Apr 20, 2011 9:33am
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Apr 20, 2011 11:06 AM
They should.
Based on the responses, can I safely assume that all first year teachers in a specific district are paid the same without taking into account their area of expertise??
Apr 20, 2011 11:06am
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Apr 28, 2011 8:42 AM
Kasich asks for teacher input

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2011/04/28/kasich-asks-teachers-for-ideas-on-merit-pay.html?sid=101
According to Senate Bill 5, which limits collective bargaining for all public employees, the state superintendent is to submit to the state Board of Education by April 20, 2012, a framework for judging a teacher's performance, based at least 50percent on student academic growth.

The framework is also to include the quality of instruction, teachers' communication and professionalism, and parental satisfaction.
Apr 28, 2011 8:42am
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Apr 28, 2011 9:37 AM
I'd tell him to screw off and figure it out himself. shouldnt this have been done before they passed the bill? this is just a political stunt.
Apr 28, 2011 9:37am
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Apr 28, 2011 12:42 PM
Glory Days;752703 wrote:I'd tell him to screw off and figure it out himself. shouldnt this have been done before they passed the bill? this is just a political stunt.
Then people would have been bitching/hating for money being spent to find out before the bill was passed IMO.
As of right now, for the plan itself, I see nothing stunty about it. I agree with going onto the next step.
Apr 28, 2011 12:42pm
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Apr 28, 2011 4:23 PM
CenterBHSFan;752898 wrote:Then people would have been bitching/hating for money being spent to find out before the bill was passed IMO.
As of right now, for the plan itself, I see nothing stunty about it. I agree with going onto the next step.

Or, the people would have actually seen his complete plan and how it would have worked and this bill would maybe have support and his approval rating wouldnt be in the tank right now.

and you honestly believe he will take into consideration their opinions?

so what about police officers, firefighters etc? what about their merit pay system?
Apr 28, 2011 4:23pm
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Apr 28, 2011 6:18 PM
Glory Days;753150 wrote: so what about police officers, firefighters etc? what about their merit pay system?

Right. How many arrests you make or how many tickets you issue? How many fire calls you are in on? How good do you kiss up to your superiors?

It's crazy. Kasich can stuff it, along with all who support this insanity. Suggestions......pfft!
Apr 28, 2011 6:18pm
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Apr 28, 2011 8:34 PM
BRF;753218 wrote:Right. How many arrests you make or how many tickets you issue? How many fire calls you are in on? How good do you kiss up to your superiors?

It's crazy. Kasich can stuff it, along with all who support this insanity. Suggestions......pfft!
exactly, police officers now use discretion when writing tickets or making arrests now. in order to show they are working hard or whatever, discretion may just go right out the window.
Apr 28, 2011 8:34pm
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Apr 28, 2011 9:22 PM
Are you saying that policemen or firefighters cannot get hired, keep a job, get an increase in pay or whatever else on his/her own?

If that is what you are saying... why not?
Apr 28, 2011 9:22pm
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Apr 28, 2011 11:36 PM
ernest_t_bass;745749 wrote:Honest question... So what do you do to the non-core teachers now? Do you cut their pay, to level the playing field, giving the core-teachers more? Or do you give "merit-based" raises to core-teachers?

By keeping pay the same, but giving core-teachers "bonuses," then I can see the door open for some incentive. When you cut pay to non-core, I think incentive goes out the window, incentive to obtain higher education and advanced degrees.


Yes and yes. Pay kindergarten teachers what they are worth, and pay HS calculus teachers what they are worth. It is a simple concept, and again is how it works in most other industries. Kindergarten teachers and union supporters will bitch about it, but if we are serious about improving schools this is the way to go.
Apr 28, 2011 11:36pm