Yikes. Me thinks this might not play well in Peoria.FatHobbit;733124 wrote:http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2011/04/05/copy/unions-want-members-to-pay-for-sb-5-referendum.html?adsec=politics&sid=101
Union members may be asked to fund an add campaign against SB5.
ernest_t_bass;733190 wrote:Nothing but pure bull-shit! I'm tired of paying fees. I like the protection that a union brings (not the protection of bad teachers, but protection from sticky situations, etc.), but I CANNOT stand the dues/fees we MUST pay.
One of my close friends is a high school math teacher and I asked him the same question I will ask you; how does the union protect you in sticky situations?ernest_t_bass;733190 wrote:Nothing but pure bull-shit! I'm tired of paying fees. I like the protection that a union brings (not the protection of bad teachers, but protection from sticky situations, etc.), but I CANNOT stand the dues/fees we MUST pay.
Prescott;733193 wrote:I'm in the middle class and SB5 has no direct effect on me. It will have a larger effect on me, if it is repealed.
FatHobbit;733220 wrote:I'm not trying to be a jerk, but do you not want them to fight this? How should they pay for the campaign?
dwccrew;733222 wrote:One of my close friends is a high school math teacher and I asked him the same question I will ask you; how does the union protect you in sticky situations?
ernest_t_bass;733223 wrote:From their large bank account.
FatHobbit;733226 wrote:Do they have $20 million? I honestly don't know.
ernest_t_bass;733227 wrote:$20 mill? I thought I read $5 million.
ernest_t_bass;733224 wrote:Kids get in a fight. You break it up, but to break it up, you have to put your hands on the students. Parents complain, want you fired.
I think Rocco pays the parents a visit and "convinces" them to drop it.dwccrew;733231 wrote:This didn't answer my question. How does the union help you in that situation?
dwccrew;733231 wrote:This didn't answer my question. How does the union help you in that situation?
fish82;733241 wrote:I think Rocco pays the parents a visit and "convinces" them to drop it.
Hell, I'll do it. I cost less than Rocco, and I'm just as convincing.ernest_t_bass;733246 wrote:But I like this answer better.
ernest_t_bass;733243 wrote:Legal representation is the school does not take your side.
dwccrew;733272 wrote:Union leaders are fighting for their own survival, not their members.
This raises another question of mine. If a union has that kind of money in the bank, what do they do with it to help out individuals within that union who need a little help after getting laid off or something?FatHobbit;733230 wrote:I think the fees are supposed to generate $5 million, but they expect to spend $20 million. (not sure if they are kicking in $15 million or expect to have more fees.)
They don't just think it they count on it!CenterBHSFan;733313 wrote:... I mean, they must think that we're a bunch of suckers or something. :rolleyes:
This may help some.Writerbuckeye;733332 wrote:Some folks in these unions are clueless where their money goes....
Center for Public Integrity wrote:At the 3.2 million-member National Education Association, President Dennis Van Roekel made $397,721 in salary and benefits in 2009. Thirty other officers and employees of the nation’s largest teachers’ union made more than $200,000 that year. Public school teachers, by comparison, were paid a national average of $54,319 in 2009.
The American Federation of Teachers, a smaller teachers’ union, paid President Randi Weingarten $428,384 in salary and benefits. Eight others at the 887,000-member union, which also represents college faculty and school support staff, earned more than $200,000 in 2009.
tsst_fballfan;733351 wrote:This may help some.
Your link doesn't work, anymore.Gblock;733361 wrote:no different than the salaries that are made by the school choice folks kasich is teamed up with...i believe the one woman and her husband whose names both leave me right now she made 265,000 and he made over 300,000 in salary then they also had like 70,000 deferred compensation. their group of charter schools also spent 124 million or so and made 155 mill or so. they have also made simililar size donations to the GOP specifically to kasich. this goes both ways
http://www.journal-news.com/news/ohio-news/school-choice-expanding-as-record-election-fine-languishes-1120815.html
Gblock;733361 wrote:no different than the salaries that are made by the school choice folks kasich is teamed up with...i believe the one woman and her husband whose names both leave me right now she made 265,000 and he made over 300,000 in salary then they also had like 70,000 deferred compensation. their group of charter schools also spent 124 million or so and made 155 mill or so. they have also made simililar size donations to the GOP specifically to kasich. this goes both ways
http://www.journal-news.com/news/ohio-news/school-choice-expanding-as-record-election-fine-languishes-1120815.html
i agree im trying to say how it is very similar in the way politics are today...big money buys politicians and buys votes, buys laws and policies. i just read that this devos family has donated 7 million dollars of their own money to school choice candidates knowing that if they get elected they stand the chance to make tons more in the future. it goes both ways for sure tho.Writerbuckeye;733376 wrote:I'd argue it's different because the money isn't being coerced from folks like union dues are, and used without permission of the folks who were mandated to give the money -- again the way union folks are. Many people who are forced to pay dues do not want their money used for these political campaigns, but they haven no say in the matter. Also, I'd argue the source of the union funds is taxpayer dollars as opposed to money that is privately donated (I'm assuming here, but don't know for certain the source of funding for this group...however, it appears to be private and not public.)