tk421;697711 wrote:You really think the public is going to vote for allowing the unions to run over the taxpayers? 300,000 people are going to have special privileges and rights that the rest of Ohio doesn't have? I don't think so.

I wish they would do this in every state. What I really wish for is no unions in this country at all. They aren't needed and do nothing but line their own pockets.

sleeper;697712 wrote:I'm glad it passed. Now I would like to see how they are going to evaluate a pay scale based on merit. This is the next important step to saving Ohio.

To the teachers, welcome to the real world.

ccrunner609;697720 wrote:please...we are the real world. We have to deal with every kid that has parents that think we should raise them. We have to discipline kids over and over again that disrupt your kids education because the parents wont do anything and then they come in and bitch about it, we have to try to teach reading to kids that have underlying medical and ocular problems and their parents wont get them tested because they think the school should provide it, we have to deal with tons of kids wh's parents wont take their kids to doctors and get them tested for ADD, autism, asburgers and other disorders becasue they dont care.....

You tell me how we get equal and fair merit out of this mess?

ccrunner609;697720 wrote:
You tell me how we get equal and fair merit out of this mess?

ccrunner609;697732 wrote:LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL....kids evaluating teachers, how about we evaluate the students and the ones we dont like we can get rid of?

ccrunner609;697735 wrote:fair and equal....to what? Someone punching a timeclock at the local factory? Someone that works in the "private sector?"

When they have to get a masters degree and go to school and take more classes to renew their license then we can talk about fair and equal.

sleeper;697741 wrote:Seems to work just fine in college.

ccrunner609;697720 wrote:please...we are the real world. We have to deal with every kid that has parents that think we should raise them. We have to discipline kids over and over again that disrupt your kids education because the parents wont do anything and then they come in and bitch about it, we have to try to teach reading to kids that have underlying medical and ocular problems and their parents wont get them tested because they think the school should provide it, we have to deal with tons of kids wh's parents wont take their kids to doctors and get them tested for ADD, autism, asburgers and other disorders becasue they dont care.....

You tell me how we get equal and fair merit out of this mess?

imex99;697763 wrote:Do you know how many college students take those evaluations serious, not many!!!!

Now, what about merit raises for police & fire? How many burning buildings they enter or how many speeding tickets, DUI, drug busts they get in a month?

"Unfortunately, we have documented instances where people defecated in the building. We have documented instances where they have written on the walls," Niehaus said. "This is the people’s house. I used to say treat it like it’s yours. Well, I don’t want it to be like it’s theirs if that’s the way they treat their own home."

ccrunner609;697829 wrote:First off the unions have not been busted. They have sharper corners that they must negotiate around. Also, if you think the state budget was fixed on the backs of these unions you arent real smart. This is a drop in the fiscal budget.

ccrunner609;697849 wrote:sure go on........you sited a few professions that probably all make more then teachers.

ccrunner609;697847 wrote:this isnt the place for sarcasm

ccrunner609;697878 wrote:not the teachers problem

sleeper;697594 wrote:At least you get paid for doing extra responsibilities. In the real world, if you're boss tells you to do something that's outside your scope of work, you do it.

Teachers are spoiled. I hope the hammer comes down hard on these people, time for reality.

bigkahuna;697896 wrote:It's the same thing in the fake teacher's world. The boss TELLS you to do something, you do it.

We just started doing a program to promote positive healthy choices, I was told I had to implement it into my classroom, so I did. My lesson plans have to be submitted a month in advance because I was told they had to.

You go in and say, "Hey, I want to do XYZ." For example, a friend of mine went and got certified as a licensed instructor for First Aid, so he could teach the faculty right there in the school. He is now supplemented for that.

My wife works in the private sector as a nurse. Her boss told her she had to start doing incident reports, so she did. She also volunteered to do create and run inservices on an array of different things and was compensated for her extra work. It happens in the real world too, don't full yourself.

LJ;697905 wrote:The private sector has 2 types of employees
Exempt and Non-Exempt

Exempt are employees who work until the job is done and do whatever the boss asks for 1 flat rate per year

Non-Exempt are employees who are paid hourly and are paid for every hour they are on the job.

Some companies may offer a stipend to exempt employees for work that is typically considered outside their duties, but contractually, this isn't very common.

Non-Exempt employees are obviously compensated for every extra hour they work.

wkfan;697012 wrote:Interesting that, when proven wrong, the arguement changes.....

ccrunner609;697732 wrote:LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL....kids evaluating teachers, how about we evaluate the students and the ones we dont like we can get rid of?

ccrunner609;697735 wrote:fair and equal....to what? Someone punching a timeclock at the local factory? Someone that works in the "private sector?"

When they have to get a masters degree and go to school and take more classes to renew their license then we can talk about fair and equal.

ccrunner609;697878 wrote:not the teachers problem

Writerbuckeye;697584 wrote:That's your comparison? How lame.

True or not: just about every supplemental contract a teacher can get is for an activity that involves learning? Sports, year book, paper, plays. All related to what a teacher does best (supposedly), which is to teach and help kids learn. It's not in a classroom typically, but the basics of teaching and learning are the same.

Why you folks are splitting hairs on this is somewhat telling, I guess. You simply don't want your salary to look too high (whatever that is) so you're trying to keep it as low as possible.

It's lame, too, by the way.

sleeper;697594 wrote:At least you get paid for doing extra responsibilities. In the real world, if you're boss tells you to do something that's outside your scope of work, you do it.

Teachers are spoiled. I hope the hammer comes down hard on these people, time for reality.

sleeper;697594 wrote:At least you get paid for doing extra responsibilities. In the real world, if you're boss tells you to do something that's outside your scope of work, you do it.

Teachers are spoiled. I hope the hammer comes down hard on these people, time for reality.