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Oct 26, 2011 10:35 AM
LJ;945806 wrote:They have so many people prior certified that they are hardly taking people without prior certification.

Just like CPD isn't taking people who haven't been through a police academy or have x years of corrections.
Not even close to the same thing. And I would say not true even. Most departments look for good people first. As one retired chief I know told me: "You can train a person to be a good firefighter. You cannot train a firefighter to be a good person."

Most of the big departments will send you to the academy regardless of your prior certs. Most departments would rather train you their way, than to have someone who was taught differently.

Believe me or not, the fire service is one I know a lot about.
Oct 26, 2011 10:35am
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Oct 26, 2011 10:37 AM
WebFire;945809 wrote:Not even close to the same thing. And I would say not true even. Most departments look for good people first. As one retired chief I know told me: "You can train a person to be a good firefighter. You cannot train a firefighter to be a good person."
It is the same thing. Just because it is not listed as a minimum requirement, doesn't mean it isn't a requirement.
Most of the big departments will send you to the academy regardless of your prior certs. Most departments would rather train you their way, than to have someone who was taught differently.
Columbus is the only one around here that does that.
Believe me or not, the fire service is one I know a lot about.
I know a decent amount too. 4 Uncles who were/are fire chiefs. 5 cousins who are firefighters, 3 friends who are firefighters.
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Oct 26, 2011 10:37 AM
LJ;945802 wrote:Lancaster, Harlem, Sunbury, Delaware, Westerville, Mifflin, Jefferson, Hilliard, UA, GC, Columbus, Delaware, Marion, Mt Vernon, Johnstown, Nerk, Heath, Picktown, Groveport, Dublin, Marysville and Ashley all have those requirements that I know of for sure because of friends or family trying to get on those depts.
Of the ones I've looked up, 0 require any certification to get hired.
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Oct 26, 2011 10:39 AM
LJ;945813 wrote:It is the same thing. Just because it is not listed as a minimum requirement, doesn't mean it isn't a requirement.
Wrong.
LJ;945813 wrote:Columbus is the only one around here that does that.
Wrong.

LJ;945813 wrote:I know a decent amount too. 4 Uncles who were/are fire chiefs. 5 cousins who are firefighters, 3 friends who are firefighters.
I would bet most didn't require certs to get hired. Whether they had them or not is irrelevant.
Oct 26, 2011 10:39am
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Oct 26, 2011 10:39 AM
WebFire;945814 wrote:Of the ones I've looked up, 0 require any certification to get hired.
Minimum "requirements" aren't the same as actual requirements.
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Oct 26, 2011 10:40 AM
WebFire;945816 wrote:Wrong.
lol true, 100% true.


Wrong.
Who else in central ohio has their own academy?



I would bet most didn't require certs to get hired. Whether they had them or not is irrelevant.
They all had to go get certs because they couldn't get hired without them. It was a requirement. The older guys not so much, but that was all 25+ years ago
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Oct 26, 2011 10:42 AM
LJ;945817 wrote:Minimum "requirements" aren't the same as actual requirements.
Your back tracking now.
Oct 26, 2011 10:42am
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Oct 26, 2011 10:43 AM
WebFire;945822 wrote:Your back tracking now.
No I am not. Not at all.
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Oct 26, 2011 10:44 AM
LJ;945819 wrote:
Who else in central ohio has their own academy?
Probably none. Most use the Columbus Fire academy. I'm not sure why are asking though. I said that most department will send you to THE academy (being in Columbus), regardless of your prior certs or training. In a sense, they don't care about your prior training.
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Oct 26, 2011 10:45 AM
LJ;945823 wrote:No I am not. Not at all.
Yes you are. You said firefighters are required to have certification prior to getting hired. This is false.

Now you are (falsely) saying that it isn't required, but we all know that secretly they only hire this with certs.
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Oct 26, 2011 10:46 AM
WebFire;945825 wrote:Probably none. Most use the Columbus Fire academy. I'm not sure why are asking though. I said that most department will send you to THE academy (being in Columbus), regardless of your prior certs or training. In a sense, they don't care about your prior training.
So you were wrong about me being wrong.

http://www.com.ohio.gov/fire/fmacMain.aspx
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Oct 26, 2011 10:46 AM
LJ;945819 wrote:

They all had to go get certs because they couldn't get hired without them. It was a requirement. The older guys not so much, but that was all 25+ years ago
What departments? In my experience, the only departments that require prior certs are those not governed by civil service. There are some, but not many.
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Oct 26, 2011 10:46 AM
WebFire;945826 wrote:Yes you are. You said firefighters are required to have certification prior to getting hired. This is false.

Now you are (falsely) saying that it isn't required, but we all know that secretly they only hire this with certs.
It's not a secret at all.
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Oct 26, 2011 10:47 AM
LJ;945828 wrote:So you were wrong about me being wrong.

http://www.com.ohio.gov/fire/fmacMain.aspx
What? :confused:
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Oct 26, 2011 10:47 AM
LJ;945831 wrote:It's not a secret at all.
You are wrong.
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Oct 26, 2011 10:48 AM
WebFire;945830 wrote:What departments? In my experience, the only departments that require prior certs are those not governed by civil service. There are some, but not many.
Delaware, Sunbury, Westerville, Nerk, Marion, Johnstown and Harlem. They couldn't even get an interview till they had certs
Oct 26, 2011 10:48am
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Oct 26, 2011 10:48 AM
WebFire;945832 wrote:What? :confused:
:rolleyes:
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Oct 26, 2011 10:48 AM
WebFire;945833 wrote:You are wrong.
Except I'm not.
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no different than what many have said about teachers..not that i think merit pay is needed for ff but it shouldnt be any harder to figure out than in education imo regardless of prior cert or not
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Oct 26, 2011 10:52 AM
LJ;945836 wrote::rolleyes:
I said most department will send you to the academy (the one in Columbus) when hired regardless of prior certs. You linked to the academy and tell me I am wrong. :confused: :rolleyes:
Oct 26, 2011 10:52am
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Oct 26, 2011 10:55 AM
wkfan;945794 wrote:I give up.

You can't cure stupid.
Ah, ad hominem debating logic huh? Typically shows whoever resorts to ad hominem is wrong on their side.

And trust me, you don't want to start comparing mental capacities, you will come up short.
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Oct 26, 2011 10:55 AM
LJ;945835 wrote:Delaware, Sunbury, Westerville, Nerk, Marion, Johnstown and Harlem. They couldn't even get an interview till they had certs
Marion City or Marion County?
Oct 26, 2011 10:55am
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Oct 26, 2011 10:56 AM
WebFire;945841 wrote:I said most department will send you to the academy (the one in Columbus) when hired regardless of prior certs. You linked to the academy and tell me I am wrong. :confused: :rolleyes:
Misunderstanding between the 2 of us.
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Oct 26, 2011 10:57 AM
WebFire;945845 wrote:Marion City or Marion County?
City. He is with Harlem now though. 3 of my cousins are now with Harlem. My uncle was one of the founding FF there and was Chief for years. They went fulltime 2 years ago and the 3 "came home"
Oct 26, 2011 10:57am
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Oct 26, 2011 10:59 AM
LJ;945849 wrote:City. He is with Harlem now though. 3 of my cousins are now with Harlem. My uncle was one of the founding FF there and was Chief for years. They went fulltime 2 years ago and the 3 "came home"
I'm fairly certain any department that falls under civil service commission does not (or cannot) require prior certification.

Isn't Sunbury volunteer?
Oct 26, 2011 10:59am