O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Feb 13, 2011 2:23pm
Con_Alma;676624 wrote:We had shuttles back then?? Wow!
Who knew?
The conspiracy theorists knew.
dwccrew
Posts: 7,817
Feb 13, 2011 3:22pm
Ok? What does that have to do with what I posted though?Scarlet_Buckeye;675278 wrote:About as ridiculous as those who maintain "we landed on the moon" and their main argue point is "if you don't believe that... then... well... you're just ridiculous.
Again, I'm not taking sides here... I'm just trying to prove the fallacies of people who tend to argue about this topic.
Compelling evidence. :rolleyes:Pick6;675306 wrote:There were plenty of reasons for the US to lie. Also only a handful of people at Nasa and the astronauts would be the only ones who would have known they were keeping a secret, not hundreds of thousands of people. This also brings up questions of crazy deaths to potential whisteblowers. One guy died in a freak accident where the space capsule exploded during his training. There were other ones as well, thats the only one i can think of right now.
Conspiracy theories are easy for people to believe because you don't have to prove anything. You can make any ridiculous claim you like (9/11 was an inside job or we faked the moon landing) and there needs to be no evidence to prove the theory true.
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Feb 13, 2011 3:29pm
Indeed. In the minds of many, if a way for it to have happened can be conjured up, that's good enough for a riveting conspiracy theory. Possibility becomes plausibility. Plausibility becomes probability. Probability becomes fact.dwccrew;676685 wrote:Conspiracy theories are easy for people to believe because you don't have to prove anything. You can make any ridiculous claim you like (9/11 was an inside job or we faked the moon landing) and there needs to be no evidence to prove the theory true.
Scarlet_Buckeye
Posts: 5,264
Feb 14, 2011 8:09am
Yes I have, and I have not seen any of the alleged claims debunked.SportsAndLady;676622 wrote: Have you not read the entire thread? There has been many posts that have debunked these myths without a "you're an idiot if you dont believe we landed on the moon" thrown in there.
SportsAndLady;676622 wrote:I believe you are underestimating how tough it would be to have thousands (literally thousands) of people keep quiet if they did in fact know it was faked. I mean you're telling me if you knew it was faked and worked for NASA at the time, that right now if someone offered you ten million dollars you would not spill the beans? And even if you answer and say you wouldn't tell, you think the other thousands of people would do the same thing?
What do you think the definition of "conspiracy theory is"?!?! No one is saying it was a "small" job. The argument is that "landing on the moon" was "one of the biggest conspiracies ever." Duh.
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Hamp89
Posts: 625
Feb 14, 2011 8:42am
I read about this a few years ago, and it is very interesting. A major question I always had was why have we not gone back? It happened over 40 years ago and you would think it would be common to travel back to the moon with improved technology. Seems weird that manned lunar missions basically ended in the 60's.
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Feb 14, 2011 9:53am
'A major question I always had was why have we not gone back? "
We did. It wasn't just the initial Armstrong/Alrin/Collins crew. I've met Harrison Schmitt, he seems to be a pretty stand-up guy - he walked on the moon in the last manned landing.
To answer your question, it isn't common because it is expensive and extremely dangerous.
We did. It wasn't just the initial Armstrong/Alrin/Collins crew. I've met Harrison Schmitt, he seems to be a pretty stand-up guy - he walked on the moon in the last manned landing.
To answer your question, it isn't common because it is expensive and extremely dangerous.
Scarlet_Buckeye
Posts: 5,264
Feb 14, 2011 9:57am
Hamp89;677705 wrote:I read about this a few years ago, and it is very interesting. A major question I always had was why have we not gone back? It happened over 40 years ago and you would think it would be common to travel back to the moon with improved technology. Seems weird that manned lunar missions basically ended in the 60's.
Because we found absolutely NOTHING there and it cost BILLIONS of dollars to send a rocket into space. There's no need to "return back to the moon" when we have other travesties in this world such as famine, natural disasters, illiteracy, and terrorism draining our capital budget.
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Hamp89
Posts: 625
Feb 14, 2011 10:15am
Manhattan Buckeye;677761 wrote:'A major question I always had was why have we not gone back? "
We did. It wasn't just the initial Armstrong/Alrin/Collins crew. I've met Harrison Schmitt, he seems to be a pretty stand-up guy - he walked on the moon in the last manned landing.
To answer your question, it isn't common because it is expensive and extremely dangerous.
Right, and that happened in 1972. I still stand by the question of it being weird we haven't been back in over 40 years. Our technology and information has expanded so much since then that you would think a return trip would be beneficial from a scientific standpoint. It was dangerous back then, have NASA's technolgies not improved the safety of lunar missions over that 40 year span?
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Feb 14, 2011 10:19am
Uh, we lost 7 astronauts just a few years ago on the Columbia. Do you remember that, or was that faked?
Y-Town Steelhound
Posts: 1,388
Feb 14, 2011 10:20am
Scarlet_Buckeye;677687 wrote:Yes I have, and I have not seen any of the alleged claims debunked.
Here ya go....end of thread
http://mythbustersresults.com/nasa-moon-landing
Bigred1995
Posts: 1,042
Feb 14, 2011 10:36am
I didn't read through all of the posts, so if I'm repeating something already posted, please forgive me...
The moon is currently moving away from Earth at a rate of about 3.8 cm per year. How do we know this? The lunar laser ranging retroreflector array left there by the astronauts of Apollo 11. Would someone please explain to me how we were able to get this object on the moon? Thanks!
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/21jul_llr/
http://www.csr.utexas.edu/mlrs/
The moon is currently moving away from Earth at a rate of about 3.8 cm per year. How do we know this? The lunar laser ranging retroreflector array left there by the astronauts of Apollo 11. Would someone please explain to me how we were able to get this object on the moon? Thanks!
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/21jul_llr/
http://www.csr.utexas.edu/mlrs/
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Feb 14, 2011 10:43am
Extra-terrestrials. It's a conspiracy. Don't question it.Bigred1995;677820 wrote:I didn't read through all of the posts, so if I'm repeating something already posted, please forgive me...
The moon is currently moving away from Earth at a rate of about 3.8 cm per year. How do we know this? The lunar laser ranging retroreflector array left there by the astronauts of Apollo 11. Would someone please explain to me how we were able to get this object on the moon? Thanks!
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/21jul_llr/
http://www.csr.utexas.edu/mlrs/
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bigkahuna
Posts: 4,454
Feb 14, 2011 10:56am
I think a lot of people supporting the conspiracy feel that we have landed on the moon. We just didn't land on the moon in 1969. So, those things could have gotten there at a later date. This is how I understand it at least. Maybe we landed on the moon 15 years later but staged this just to beat the Russians. Like I said before, I don't necessarily believe the theories of a lot of these things, but I think they're fun to think about and talk about.Bigred1995;677820 wrote:I didn't read through all of the posts, so if I'm repeating something already posted, please forgive me...
The moon is currently moving away from Earth at a rate of about 3.8 cm per year. How do we know this? The lunar laser ranging retroreflector array left there by the astronauts of Apollo 11. Would someone please explain to me how we were able to get this object on the moon? Thanks!
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/21jul_llr/
http://www.csr.utexas.edu/mlrs/
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Feb 14, 2011 12:14pm
"but I think they're fun to think about and talk about. "
It is fun to think that I am a Greek god with millions of virgins at my will, to think that I am a national football league hall of fame quarterback with 10 super bowl rings, and a rock star with several multi-platinum albums to boot. It might be fun, but it is still idiocy. It is all make believe. The fake moon landing is a make believe story for folks that are so pathetic they have nothing else better to do than make implausible arguments that are vastly dumber than the truth.
It is fun to think that I am a Greek god with millions of virgins at my will, to think that I am a national football league hall of fame quarterback with 10 super bowl rings, and a rock star with several multi-platinum albums to boot. It might be fun, but it is still idiocy. It is all make believe. The fake moon landing is a make believe story for folks that are so pathetic they have nothing else better to do than make implausible arguments that are vastly dumber than the truth.
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Feb 14, 2011 12:15pm
Make believe conspiracy theory ...Manhattan Buckeye;677986 wrote:It is all make believe.
... I smell a Nicholas Cage movie a-brewing.
ptown_trojans_1
Posts: 7,632
Feb 14, 2011 12:29pm
Hamp89;677796 wrote:Right, and that happened in 1972. I still stand by the question of it being weird we haven't been back in over 40 years. Our technology and information has expanded so much since then that you would think a return trip would be beneficial from a scientific standpoint. It was dangerous back then, have NASA's technolgies not improved the safety of lunar missions over that 40 year span?
Nixon killed it in 72 because it made no sense anymore. We weren't learning anything really. It was then NASA shifted to more low and high orbit missions as well as satellites and moving to discover life beyond the solar system. The 70s saw Sylab, the first satellite to Mars, Voyager, first images of the planets and then move to create a space station above the earth. Then at the end of the 70s, NASA moved to having the shuttle, to put up satellites and space station items, pretty much ending a drive to the moon until now.
Why didn't we go back? 1. Didn't have the funds, NASA wanted to spend the money on explore satellites, Skylab and then telescopes. 2. While we learned a lot from the moon, we pretty much learned all we could.
Scarlet_Buckeye
Posts: 5,264
Feb 14, 2011 1:35pm
Y-Town Steelhound;677801 wrote:Here ya go....end of thread
http://mythbustersresults.com/nasa-moon-landing
Bigred1995;677820 wrote:I didn't read through all of the posts, so if I'm repeating something already posted, please forgive me...
The moon is currently moving away from Earth at a rate of about 3.8 cm per year. How do we know this? The lunar laser ranging retroreflector array left there by the astronauts of Apollo 11. Would someone please explain to me how we were able to get this object on the moon? Thanks!
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/21jul_llr/
http://www.csr.utexas.edu/mlrs/
These are the first real "logic arguments" for landing on the moon that I've seen presented in this thread. Thank you to these posters for FINALLY presenting some "logic" as opposed to "you're dumb if you don't believe..." etc.
Now... to retort the second post, again, a conspiracist could easily argue "well NASA just made up a number and said the moon is moving away this amount of centimeters a year" - something that the average person wouldn't be able to refute one way or the other. I mean, come on... how is someone without a NASA telescope going to be able to challenge that assertion?
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Feb 14, 2011 1:37pm
Scarlet_Buckeye;678117 wrote:These are the first real "logic arguments" for landing on the moon that I've seen presented in this thread. Thank you to these posters for FINALLY presenting some "logic" as opposed to "you're dumb if you don't believe..." etc.
Now... to retort the second post, again, a conspiracist could easily argue "well NASA just made up a number and said the moon is moving away this amount of centimeters a year" - something that the average person wouldn't be able to refute one way or the other. I mean, come on... how is someone without a NASA telescope going to be able to challenge that assertion?
Other countries, however, have been able to verify this. T'would seem odd for them not to call bullshit on NASA.
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queencitybuckeye
Posts: 7,117
Feb 14, 2011 1:42pm
O-Trap;677991 wrote:Make believe conspiracy theory ...
... makes hacks like Dan Brown a multi-millionarie.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Feb 14, 2011 1:47pm
Lol...didn't realize this could be such a polarizing issue. Hard to tell who looks more out of touch, those with the tin foil hats or the men in black.
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Feb 14, 2011 1:57pm
queencitybuckeye;678130 wrote:... makes hacks like Dan Brown a multi-millionarie.
This.
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Manhattan Buckeye
Posts: 7,566
Feb 14, 2011 2:00pm
"These are the first real "logic arguments" for landing on the moon that I've seen presented in this thread. "
The first argument is that we aren't a bunch of $&%^ing morons.
The first argument is that we aren't a bunch of $&%^ing morons.
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Feb 14, 2011 2:02pm
Manhattan Buckeye;678152 wrote:"These are the first real "logic arguments" for landing on the moon that I've seen presented in this thread. "
The first argument is that we aren't a bunch of $&%^ing morons.
I still contend that it would be illogical to suggest that thousands of people would keep such a secret for so long. That may not have come in the form of a link, but it is an argument, nonetheless.
... and it certainly isn't just "ur dum cuz u belive that."
lhslep134
Posts: 9,774
Feb 14, 2011 2:46pm
For those that think the US doesn't have the audacity or have had thoughts about committing crimes against our own country, read away: I can promise you it's real.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
Not saying I believe in any other conspiracies, but this one legitimately existed. Kudos to JFK for not following through with this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
Not saying I believe in any other conspiracies, but this one legitimately existed. Kudos to JFK for not following through with this.
O-Trap
Posts: 14,994
Feb 14, 2011 2:51pm
lhslep134;678227 wrote:For those that think the US doesn't have the audacity or have had thoughts about committing crimes against our own country, read away: I can promise you it's real.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
Not saying I believe in any other conspiracies, but this one legitimately existed. Kudos to JFK for not following through with this.
Doesn't surprise me. Also doesn't surprise me JFK put it to bed, thankfully.
If it had really been carried out, someone would have blabbed.