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Feb 13, 2011 2:23 PM
Con_Alma;676624 wrote:We had shuttles back then?? Wow!

Who knew?

The conspiracy theorists knew.
Feb 13, 2011 2:23pm
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Feb 13, 2011 3:22 PM
Scarlet_Buckeye;675278 wrote:About as ridiculous as those who maintain "we landed on the moon" and their main argue point is "if you don't believe that... then... well... you're just ridiculous.



Again, I'm not taking sides here... I'm just trying to prove the fallacies of people who tend to argue about this topic.
Ok? What does that have to do with what I posted though?
Pick6;675306 wrote:There were plenty of reasons for the US to lie. Also only a handful of people at Nasa and the astronauts would be the only ones who would have known they were keeping a secret, not hundreds of thousands of people. This also brings up questions of crazy deaths to potential whisteblowers. One guy died in a freak accident where the space capsule exploded during his training. There were other ones as well, thats the only one i can think of right now.
Compelling evidence. :rolleyes:


Conspiracy theories are easy for people to believe because you don't have to prove anything. You can make any ridiculous claim you like (9/11 was an inside job or we faked the moon landing) and there needs to be no evidence to prove the theory true.
Feb 13, 2011 3:22pm
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Feb 13, 2011 3:29 PM
dwccrew;676685 wrote:Conspiracy theories are easy for people to believe because you don't have to prove anything. You can make any ridiculous claim you like (9/11 was an inside job or we faked the moon landing) and there needs to be no evidence to prove the theory true.
Indeed. In the minds of many, if a way for it to have happened can be conjured up, that's good enough for a riveting conspiracy theory. Possibility becomes plausibility. Plausibility becomes probability. Probability becomes fact.
Feb 13, 2011 3:29pm
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Feb 14, 2011 8:09 AM
SportsAndLady;676622 wrote: Have you not read the entire thread? There has been many posts that have debunked these myths without a "you're an idiot if you dont believe we landed on the moon" thrown in there.
Yes I have, and I have not seen any of the alleged claims debunked.
SportsAndLady;676622 wrote:I believe you are underestimating how tough it would be to have thousands (literally thousands) of people keep quiet if they did in fact know it was faked. I mean you're telling me if you knew it was faked and worked for NASA at the time, that right now if someone offered you ten million dollars you would not spill the beans? And even if you answer and say you wouldn't tell, you think the other thousands of people would do the same thing?

What do you think the definition of "conspiracy theory is"?!?! No one is saying it was a "small" job. The argument is that "landing on the moon" was "one of the biggest conspiracies ever." Duh.
Feb 14, 2011 8:09am
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Feb 14, 2011 8:42 AM
I read about this a few years ago, and it is very interesting. A major question I always had was why have we not gone back? It happened over 40 years ago and you would think it would be common to travel back to the moon with improved technology. Seems weird that manned lunar missions basically ended in the 60's.
Feb 14, 2011 8:42am
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Feb 14, 2011 9:53 AM
'A major question I always had was why have we not gone back? "

We did. It wasn't just the initial Armstrong/Alrin/Collins crew. I've met Harrison Schmitt, he seems to be a pretty stand-up guy - he walked on the moon in the last manned landing.

To answer your question, it isn't common because it is expensive and extremely dangerous.
Feb 14, 2011 9:53am
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Feb 14, 2011 9:57 AM
Hamp89;677705 wrote:I read about this a few years ago, and it is very interesting. A major question I always had was why have we not gone back? It happened over 40 years ago and you would think it would be common to travel back to the moon with improved technology. Seems weird that manned lunar missions basically ended in the 60's.

Because we found absolutely NOTHING there and it cost BILLIONS of dollars to send a rocket into space. There's no need to "return back to the moon" when we have other travesties in this world such as famine, natural disasters, illiteracy, and terrorism draining our capital budget.
Feb 14, 2011 9:57am
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Feb 14, 2011 10:15 AM
Manhattan Buckeye;677761 wrote:'A major question I always had was why have we not gone back? "

We did. It wasn't just the initial Armstrong/Alrin/Collins crew. I've met Harrison Schmitt, he seems to be a pretty stand-up guy - he walked on the moon in the last manned landing.

To answer your question, it isn't common because it is expensive and extremely dangerous.

Right, and that happened in 1972. I still stand by the question of it being weird we haven't been back in over 40 years. Our technology and information has expanded so much since then that you would think a return trip would be beneficial from a scientific standpoint. It was dangerous back then, have NASA's technolgies not improved the safety of lunar missions over that 40 year span?
Feb 14, 2011 10:15am
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Feb 14, 2011 10:19 AM
Uh, we lost 7 astronauts just a few years ago on the Columbia. Do you remember that, or was that faked?
Feb 14, 2011 10:19am
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Feb 14, 2011 10:20 AM
Scarlet_Buckeye;677687 wrote:Yes I have, and I have not seen any of the alleged claims debunked.

Here ya go....end of thread

http://mythbustersresults.com/nasa-moon-landing
Feb 14, 2011 10:20am
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Feb 14, 2011 10:36 AM
I didn't read through all of the posts, so if I'm repeating something already posted, please forgive me...

The moon is currently moving away from Earth at a rate of about 3.8 cm per year. How do we know this? The lunar laser ranging retroreflector array left there by the astronauts of Apollo 11. Would someone please explain to me how we were able to get this object on the moon? Thanks!

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/21jul_llr/
http://www.csr.utexas.edu/mlrs/
Feb 14, 2011 10:36am
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Feb 14, 2011 10:43 AM
Bigred1995;677820 wrote:I didn't read through all of the posts, so if I'm repeating something already posted, please forgive me...

The moon is currently moving away from Earth at a rate of about 3.8 cm per year. How do we know this? The lunar laser ranging retroreflector array left there by the astronauts of Apollo 11. Would someone please explain to me how we were able to get this object on the moon? Thanks!

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/21jul_llr/
http://www.csr.utexas.edu/mlrs/
Extra-terrestrials. It's a conspiracy. Don't question it. ;)
Feb 14, 2011 10:43am
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Feb 14, 2011 10:56 AM
Bigred1995;677820 wrote:I didn't read through all of the posts, so if I'm repeating something already posted, please forgive me...

The moon is currently moving away from Earth at a rate of about 3.8 cm per year. How do we know this? The lunar laser ranging retroreflector array left there by the astronauts of Apollo 11. Would someone please explain to me how we were able to get this object on the moon? Thanks!

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/21jul_llr/
http://www.csr.utexas.edu/mlrs/
I think a lot of people supporting the conspiracy feel that we have landed on the moon. We just didn't land on the moon in 1969. So, those things could have gotten there at a later date. This is how I understand it at least. Maybe we landed on the moon 15 years later but staged this just to beat the Russians. Like I said before, I don't necessarily believe the theories of a lot of these things, but I think they're fun to think about and talk about.
Feb 14, 2011 10:56am
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Feb 14, 2011 12:14 PM
"but I think they're fun to think about and talk about. "

It is fun to think that I am a Greek god with millions of virgins at my will, to think that I am a national football league hall of fame quarterback with 10 super bowl rings, and a rock star with several multi-platinum albums to boot. It might be fun, but it is still idiocy. It is all make believe. The fake moon landing is a make believe story for folks that are so pathetic they have nothing else better to do than make implausible arguments that are vastly dumber than the truth.
Feb 14, 2011 12:14pm
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Feb 14, 2011 12:15 PM
Manhattan Buckeye;677986 wrote:It is all make believe.
Make believe conspiracy theory ...

... I smell a Nicholas Cage movie a-brewing.
Feb 14, 2011 12:15pm
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Feb 14, 2011 12:29 PM
Hamp89;677796 wrote:Right, and that happened in 1972. I still stand by the question of it being weird we haven't been back in over 40 years. Our technology and information has expanded so much since then that you would think a return trip would be beneficial from a scientific standpoint. It was dangerous back then, have NASA's technolgies not improved the safety of lunar missions over that 40 year span?

Nixon killed it in 72 because it made no sense anymore. We weren't learning anything really. It was then NASA shifted to more low and high orbit missions as well as satellites and moving to discover life beyond the solar system. The 70s saw Sylab, the first satellite to Mars, Voyager, first images of the planets and then move to create a space station above the earth. Then at the end of the 70s, NASA moved to having the shuttle, to put up satellites and space station items, pretty much ending a drive to the moon until now.

Why didn't we go back? 1. Didn't have the funds, NASA wanted to spend the money on explore satellites, Skylab and then telescopes. 2. While we learned a lot from the moon, we pretty much learned all we could.
Feb 14, 2011 12:29pm
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Feb 14, 2011 1:35 PM
Y-Town Steelhound;677801 wrote:Here ya go....end of thread

http://mythbustersresults.com/nasa-moon-landing
Bigred1995;677820 wrote:I didn't read through all of the posts, so if I'm repeating something already posted, please forgive me...

The moon is currently moving away from Earth at a rate of about 3.8 cm per year. How do we know this? The lunar laser ranging retroreflector array left there by the astronauts of Apollo 11. Would someone please explain to me how we were able to get this object on the moon? Thanks!

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/21jul_llr/
http://www.csr.utexas.edu/mlrs/

These are the first real "logic arguments" for landing on the moon that I've seen presented in this thread. Thank you to these posters for FINALLY presenting some "logic" as opposed to "you're dumb if you don't believe..." etc.

Now... to retort the second post, again, a conspiracist could easily argue "well NASA just made up a number and said the moon is moving away this amount of centimeters a year" - something that the average person wouldn't be able to refute one way or the other. I mean, come on... how is someone without a NASA telescope going to be able to challenge that assertion?
Feb 14, 2011 1:35pm
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Feb 14, 2011 1:37 PM
Scarlet_Buckeye;678117 wrote:These are the first real "logic arguments" for landing on the moon that I've seen presented in this thread. Thank you to these posters for FINALLY presenting some "logic" as opposed to "you're dumb if you don't believe..." etc.

Now... to retort the second post, again, a conspiracist could easily argue "well NASA just made up a number and said the moon is moving away this amount of centimeters a year" - something that the average person wouldn't be able to refute one way or the other. I mean, come on... how is someone without a NASA telescope going to be able to challenge that assertion?

Other countries, however, have been able to verify this. T'would seem odd for them not to call bullshit on NASA.
Feb 14, 2011 1:37pm
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Feb 14, 2011 1:42 PM
O-Trap;677991 wrote:Make believe conspiracy theory ...

... makes hacks like Dan Brown a multi-millionarie.
Feb 14, 2011 1:42pm
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Feb 14, 2011 1:47 PM
Lol...didn't realize this could be such a polarizing issue. Hard to tell who looks more out of touch, those with the tin foil hats or the men in black.
Feb 14, 2011 1:47pm
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Feb 14, 2011 1:57 PM
queencitybuckeye;678130 wrote:... makes hacks like Dan Brown a multi-millionarie.

This.
Feb 14, 2011 1:57pm
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Feb 14, 2011 2:00 PM
"These are the first real "logic arguments" for landing on the moon that I've seen presented in this thread. "

The first argument is that we aren't a bunch of $&%^ing morons.
Feb 14, 2011 2:00pm
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Feb 14, 2011 2:02 PM
Manhattan Buckeye;678152 wrote:"These are the first real "logic arguments" for landing on the moon that I've seen presented in this thread. "

The first argument is that we aren't a bunch of $&%^ing morons.

I still contend that it would be illogical to suggest that thousands of people would keep such a secret for so long. That may not have come in the form of a link, but it is an argument, nonetheless.

... and it certainly isn't just "ur dum cuz u belive that."
Feb 14, 2011 2:02pm
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Feb 14, 2011 2:46 PM
For those that think the US doesn't have the audacity or have had thoughts about committing crimes against our own country, read away: I can promise you it's real.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Not saying I believe in any other conspiracies, but this one legitimately existed. Kudos to JFK for not following through with this.
Feb 14, 2011 2:46pm
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Feb 14, 2011 2:51 PM
lhslep134;678227 wrote:For those that think the US doesn't have the audacity or have had thoughts about committing crimes against our own country, read away: I can promise you it's real.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Not saying I believe in any other conspiracies, but this one legitimately existed. Kudos to JFK for not following through with this.

Doesn't surprise me. Also doesn't surprise me JFK put it to bed, thankfully.

If it had really been carried out, someone would have blabbed.
Feb 14, 2011 2:51pm