enigmaax;679508 wrote:I like that idea, but it is still a little off the point. Wisconsin isn't the team who needs to play TCU to legitimize itself.

Huh? Let me get this straight. TCU beats Wisconsin on a neutral field... and TCU is the one who needs to legitimize themselves? How does that work haha.

Because the only people that seem to believe TCU and Boise are legit are those that think Blue turf is "cool". I don't see why it's so hard to believe that very few are willing to give respect for a couple quality wins a year for a couple years. It takes time, and not enough of it has passed. It doesn't help your cause either when you get the offer AND turn it down.

That's the Bcs system you know and love, brother. They will continue beating up on lesser opponents in the regular season and will parlay themselves into Bcs matchup after Bcs matchup. TCU haters will make the problem go away with a playoff.

jordo212000;679828 wrote:That's the Bcs system you know and love, brother. They will continue beating up on lesser opponents in the regular season and will parlay themselves into Bcs matchup after Bcs matchup. TCU haters will make the problem go away with a playoff.

Well, I don't have the power to make a playoff so I don't know why you keep offering that as a solution to us. The system isn't changing any time soon. So, given the system, you have to judge people based on how they play within it. It is no secret that TCU plays a horrible schedule and it is largely the reason that they don't get the credit they think they deserve. So if you are trying to earn respect, if you are trying to prove you are better than what people are giving you credit for, you HAVE to accept every possible challenge you can.

Hate to tell you, that Rose Bowl win won't mean shit for TCU at the end of next season if they are in the same position as this year. Right now, it is looking like they are going to bank on a win over Baylor if they happen to make another run. So, at that point they are going to have to deal with the same consequences. Hey, its great for them that they'll still get a BCS bowl. If that is what they are shooting for, cool - I've never had a problem with that reward for any of those teams. But they won't have any legitimate gripe about not getting a chance to play for the title when they turned down the opportunity to upgrade their schedule to the extent that Wisconsin would.

jordo212000;679360 wrote:You all complain about how they only have a few big games to win and then they get into the BCS. Well... that's the system. You guys defend it all the time. If you want Boise/TCU to go away, then have a playoff. If they don't belong they will get dispatched fairly quickly.

jordo212000;679828 wrote:That's the Bcs system you know and love, brother. They will continue beating up on lesser opponents in the regular season and will parlay themselves into Bcs matchup after Bcs matchup. TCU haters will make the problem go away with a playoff.

What exactly are we supposed to do about the BCS system and how do we make it go away? Because if I had some sort of power over it (as you are eluding to with your posts) I would implement a playoff just so I could watch TCU get spanked. Sure the TCU's and Boise's of the world may win a few games in a playoff, but they couldn't handle the consistent punishment of teams that are their equals or better.

It's quite easy to beat up on JV team after JV team week in and week out and then be ready for the one or two "big time" games on your schedule with a completely healthy line-up.

dwccrew;679846 wrote:Because if I had some sort of power over it (as you are eluding to with your posts) I would implement a playoff just so I could watch TCU get spanked. Sure the TCU's and Boise's of the world may win a few games in a playoff, but they couldn't handle the consistent punishment of teams that are their equals or better.

LOL. How about a link? Over the past couple of seasons, I've seen TCU handle themselves in big time games and they have just as much talent as the next guy. Both Boise and TCU have had pro talent on their rosters.

Again, the Mountain West is not as good as the Big 10, but let's not pretend that the ACC or Big 10 are "the gauntlet". Indiana, Purdue, Illinois, Minnesota and Michigan have all shown the lack of depth in the conference.

Those four teams sucked. Then on top of the bad teams in the conference, Ohio State (or any other Big 10 "big boy") schedules 3 gimmies. So right off the bat, there are 7 games that Ohio State has no business losing. So let's stop pretending that Big 10 = GOAT

You got a link that says they could?

Didn't think so.

Until then you'll just have to be pissed that nobody gives a shit.

You got a link that says they could?

Didn't think so.

Until then you'll just have to be pissed that nobody gives a shit.

Uh let's see TCU has been to the BCS two years in a row. This past time they beat Wisconsin out at the Rose Bowl. I think you would find far more people who acknowledge TCU's relevance than people who refuse to enter the 21st century way of thinking about college football

dwccrew;679846 wrote: It's quite easy to beat up on JV team after JV team week in and week out and then be ready for the one or two "big time" games on your schedule with a completely healthy line-up.

Ah yes, because Ohio State's 70th ranked strength of schedule was so significantly better than TCU's 76th ranked strength of schedule. OSU was 2-1 vs. top 30 opponents, while TCU was 3-0. But of course, Ohio State was certainly deserving of a bid to the title game if they went undefeated, but once you get outside of the top 70, that's where you draw the line and TCU certainly was not deserving due to your impressive logic.

But its about the grind of the Big Ten schedule remember? Those guys are big and mean. The Mountain West plays 2 hand touch.

karen lotz;680010 wrote:But its about the grind of the Big Ten schedule remember? Those guys are big and mean. The Mountain West plays 2 hand touch.

That Indiana Hoosier defense is such a juggernaut dude. That's a real meat grinder there.

Ah yes, you're right Karen. In a 4 week span, the Buckeyes ran the gauntlet in the Big Ten:

vs. Indiana (1-7 Big Ten)
at Wisconsin (7-1 Big Ten)
vs. Purdue (2-6 Big Ten)
at Minnesota (2-6 Big Ten)

I know Wisconsin was an extremely tough game for the Buckeyes, but considering the brutal slugfest they had against Indiana at home the week before (a 38-10 win), it's amazing they were even able to make it up to Madison. You could tell how much Indiana took out of them when they came out flat in the first half against the Badgers.

Luckily Ohio State was able to survive the next two weeks to avoid a losing streak despite the challenges that they faced from Purdue (losers to Toledo at home) and Minnesota (losers to South Dakota and Northern Illinois at home).

Sad. SOS means nothing. I'd love to see TCU play in the Big Ten. They'd win 4 games if they were lucky and the rest would be blowouts to the teams worth a damn.

DTM04;679944 wrote:Ah yes, because Ohio State's 70th ranked strength of schedule was so significantly better than TCU's 76th ranked strength of schedule. OSU was 2-1 vs. top 30 opponents, while TCU was 3-0. But of course, Ohio State was certainly deserving of a bid to the title game if they went undefeated, but once you get outside of the top 70, that's where you draw the line and TCU certainly was not deserving due to your impressive logic.

Hey dipshit, please quote where I mention anything about Ohio State or them deserving anything. We are discussing TCU and Wisconsin, know? Try to keep up with the conversation.

DTM04;680061 wrote:Ah yes, you're right Karen. In a 4 week span, the Buckeyes ran the gauntlet in the Big Ten:

vs. Indiana (1-7 Big Ten)
at Wisconsin (7-1 Big Ten)
vs. Purdue (2-6 Big Ten)
at Minnesota (2-6 Big Ten)

I know Wisconsin was an extremely tough game for the Buckeyes, but considering the brutal slugfest they had against Indiana at home the week before (a 38-10 win), it's amazing they were even able to make it up to Madison. You could tell how much Indiana took out of them when they came out flat in the first half against the Badgers.

Luckily Ohio State was able to survive the next two weeks to avoid a losing streak despite the challenges that they faced from Purdue (losers to Toledo at home) and Minnesota (losers to South Dakota and Northern Illinois at home).

You truly are a dumbass. Karen was being sarcastic, not smart enough to pick up on that are you? His team is Notre Dame, why do you feel the need to continually bring up Ohio State on a thread dedicated to TCU and Wisconsin?

dwccrew;680327 wrote:You truly are a dumbass. Karen was being sarcastic, not smart enough to pick up on that are you? His team is Notre Dame, why do you feel the need to continually bring up Ohio State on a thread dedicated to TCU and Wisconsin?

I'm being sarcastic too, don't you worry. TCU already beat Wisconsin once, and all you Big Ten homers can't ever just respect the fact that maybe, just maybe, there are schools outside of the "traditional" powers that are just as talented and capable of winning as any other team. And Ohio State has been referenced many times in this thread, so maybe you should go back and read the whole thing.

DTM04;680061 wrote:Ah yes, you're right Karen. In a 4 week span, the Buckeyes ran the gauntlet in the Big Ten:

vs. Indiana (1-7 Big Ten)
at Wisconsin (7-1 Big Ten)
vs. Purdue (2-6 Big Ten)
at Minnesota (2-6 Big Ten)

Every conference has their bad teams, no one is denying that. What we are saying is the disparity between the major conference's bad teams and the MWC's bad teams is so large that there is still a very slight possibility that a bad team can upset a top team in a major conference (see: OSU-Purdue, 2009); there is no chance of an upset in the MWC because the bottom teams are so bad. Teams like Boise and TCU are able to mentally and most importantly physically coast through half their schedule because it is so bad there is no chance of an upset as evidenced by Boise and TCU's incredible conference runs over the last half decade or so. So when it does come time to play a big game for TCU/Boise, they aren't beat up like Big Ten, SEC, etc. teams are.

DTM04;680411 wrote:I'm being sarcastic too, don't you worry. TCU already beat Wisconsin once, and all you Big Ten homers can't ever just respect the fact that maybe, just maybe, there are schools outside of the "traditional" powers that are just as talented and capable of winning as any other team. And Ohio State has been referenced many times in this thread, so maybe you should go back and read the whole thing.

I don't care if Ohio State has been mentioned or not, it has nothing to do with what I was talking about. My point is this, yes TCU was one of the best teams in college football last season, but let's see them do it on a consistent basis year in and year out in a conference in which they are playing their equals. If they can do that, then they will earn respect, until then they can have a backseat to the major college programs. Right now their 1 or 2 successful seasons is an anomaly. If they start winning the Big East consistently and compete for national titles regularly; people's views will change.

1-6 or 7 Purdue beat us once..guess that means they have a better program than us.

dwccrew;680548 wrote: My point is this, yes TCU was one of the best teams in college football last season, but let's see them do it on a consistent basis year in and year out in a conference in which they are playing their equals. If they can do that, then they will earn respect, until then they can have a backseat to the major college programs.

Define "backseat", they have been in the BCS two years in a row and are moving to an AQ conference.

dwccrew;680548 wrote:I don't care if Ohio State has been mentioned or not, it has nothing to do with what I was talking about.

I am guessing he brought up Ohio State because we all know for a fact that not one of you guys would be railing against their schedule if they went undefeated. Obviously you'd feel that if they are undefeated, they would be deserving of a National Championship. The point he is trying to make, is that TCU's SOS was only slightly worse than Ohio State's. Yet we are killing them for playing a weak schedule.

jordo212000;680708 wrote:I am guessing he brought up Ohio State because we all know for a fact that not one of you guys would be railing against their schedule if they went undefeated. Obviously you'd feel that if they are undefeated, they would be deserving of a National Championship. The point he is trying to make, is that TCU's SOS was only slightly worse than Ohio State's. Yet we are killing them for playing a weak schedule.

to be fair..this was one year, and i think we can all admit alot of the teams on OSU's schedule were down more than they usually are, which hurt us. I wonder how SOS compares 2009-2000, ill bet its nowhere near as close.

They're getting "killed" because they have never had a tough schedule but think they deserve the same respect as those that have for a lot longer than they've been a pimple on the ass of traditionals. They expect to waltz into the NC game and take a huge payday, they're not in the position nor have they ever been, to decline an invite to play a top 25 school. You can clamor all you want about having beaten a top school a couple times over the last decade, the fact of the mater is, that the quality of athlete that goes to MWC schools is inferior to those of powerhouse conferences, the draft numbers prove that out. Therefore, it's safe to assume, that without the depth of the traditionals, they'd be knicked up enough to compete at lower than they have levels. I really fail to see what's so difficult to understand about that.

ytownfootball;680731 wrote:They're getting "killed" because they have never had a tough schedule but think they deserve the same respect as those that have for a lot longer than they've been a pimple on the ass of traditionals. They expect to waltz into the NC game and take a huge payday, they're not in the position nor have they ever been, to decline an invite to play a top 25 school. You can clamor all you want about having beaten a top school a couple times over the last decade, the fact of the mater is, that the quality of athlete that goes to MWC schools is inferior to those of powerhouse conferences, the draft numbers prove that out. Therefore, it's safe to assume, that without the depth of the traditionals, they'd be knicked up enough to compete at lower than they have levels. I really fail to see what's so difficult to understand about that.

How many times have you yelled at kids to get off of your lawn? I always say this to you. It is no longer 1997. The landscape of college football has completely changed. If you think that they couldn't play with the Va Techs, North Carolinas, and Purdues of the world, you have another thing coming. It's becoming more clear to me that you watch the games featured on WSYX 6 and that's it. If you looked around and educated yourself you would have seen a TCU team that was obviously a top 3 team in the country (who played a SOS comparable to many other "big boys").

Scholarship restrictions have leveled the playing field, the dearth of talent in Texas is crazy, and Patterson is a great head coach. The program looks like it is here to stay. But yeah, keep acting like it is 1997

jordo, go fuck yourself, it doesn't have a damn thing to do with it. If you're going to counter what is fact with what your perception is of me then don't bother. It's not 1997...seriously, get the fuck out.

jordo212000;680757 wrote:If you think that they couldn't play with the Va Techs, North Carolinas, and Purdues of the world, you have another thing coming.

To me it's not a matter of can they play with those teams (because they most certainly can), it's a matter of can they play with those guys while playing a Big East, Big Ten, SEC, whatever big conference schedule to go along with those teams.