bigkahuna;673762 wrote:Didn't Wisky play @ Fresno State a few times? Their stadium has to be smaller....

Official capacity of Fresno 41, 031*
UNLV 36,800*
TCU 44,008

Wisconsin has played at UNLV and Fresno in the last 5 years. I don't think stadium capacity is the reason for not going to Ft. Worth, especially since Jerry's World is about 20mins away.

Also for grins
Iowa has played at Miami Univ several times in the past 10 years. Their capacity is 24,386.
Minnesota came down and played BGSU a few years ago. The Doyt only holds arouns 23,000.

So, Seating Capacity was definitely not an issue, if there even was an issue for Wisconsin or another Big Ten School going to a smaller stadium. The only reason OSU/Michigan doesn't do it is 1. A lot of their smaller OCC games are still in state and would cause massive floods of people. 2. Even if they went across country, the fan/alumni base are so large that it'd turn into a home game for them.

The other big time schools (Wisconsin and Iowa for example) don't have that same problem.

OSU doesn't do it, because they can't afford to, bottomline.

Who keeps talking about small stadiums, seating capacity, etc.

In a home-and-home, you collect and keep the revenue (minus travel expenses for opponent) for your home game. They get to keep their revenue for their home game. They don't split 50-50 all revenue. Miami (FL) has played at Louisiana Tech, Louisville (back before the Big East came calling), etc and never whined about stadium capacity.

A one-off contract requires a payout to compensate for the lack of a home game for the other team. Otherwise, there would be no incentive, whatsoever, to play a one-off, for anyone.

Sykotyk

TCU has every right to play who they want to. I just don't want to hear them complain if they go 12-0 and don't get into the title game because of the "system".

sleeper;673748 wrote:I just want to make a few points:

#1

If TCU ever played OSU, OSU would blow them out by 4 TD's +

#2

Wisconsin(or any big time program) is not going to play in a dinky 40k stadium. If TCU wants to be a big boy, they can build a bigger football stadium.

#3

LOL at anytime anywhere, TCU knows it got a lucky gust of wind and beat a good team. Let's see them do it again(here's a hint: they won't)

I'm a diehard OSU fan, and even I'm man enough to admit that OSU would not win by 4 TDs. That's just crazy talk.

se-alum;673822 wrote:OSU doesn't do it, because they can't afford to, bottomline.

Well, I put OSU and Michigan in a group by themselves. Now that Nebraska is in the B1G(possibly PSU too), those 4 schools won't/can't go to these places. The other 8 schools can/will/have.

Sykotyk;673836 wrote:Who keeps talking about small stadiums, seating capacity, etc.

In a home-and-home, you collect and keep the revenue (minus travel expenses for opponent) for your home game. They get to keep their revenue for their home game. They don't split 50-50 all revenue. Miami (FL) has played at Louisiana Tech, Louisville (back before the Big East came calling), etc and never whined about stadium capacity.

A one-off contract requires a payout to compensate for the lack of a home game for the other team. Otherwise, there would be no incentive, whatsoever, to play a one-off, for anyone.

Sykotyk

Anytime, anywhere my ass.

Scarlet_Buckeye;674045 wrote:I'm a diehard OSU fan, and even I'm man enough to admit that OSU would not win by 4 TDs. That's just crazy talk.

Good point. Tressel would likely call the dogs off(like he did against Arkansas in the Sugar Bowl) and probably only win by like a field goal.

sleeper;674203 wrote:Good point. Tressel would likely call the dogs off(like he did against Arkansas in the Sugar Bowl) and probably only win by like a field goal.

Arkansas could have very easily won that game. I hope I'm beginning to sense some sarcasm in your posts.

Jordo.........................Wisconsin > TCU in the last few years. 11-1 TCU in my opinion is not comparable to 9-3 Wisconsin. We'll see how TCU does in the Big East. My guess is they'll win it occassionally but more than likely be a mid to upper tier Big East team. I could be wrong.

You are correct, Indiana is not a "big boy". I never stated all Big Ten teams were "big boys" but I would put tOSU, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Penn State as "big boys" and then Michigan (maybe), Iowa, MSU as occassional "big boy" season but mainly average to above average.

norwalk;674343 wrote:Jordo.........................Wisconsin > TCU in the last few years. 11-1 TCU in my opinion is not comparable to 9-3 Wisconsin.

How did you arrive at this? How many TCU games did you watch? How many Wisconsin games did you watch over the past 4-5 years? Wisky was good this past season, but c'mon dude, they have been a very average Big 10 team over the past decade.

TCU has been to more BCS bowls and beat Wisky on the Rose Bowl stage.

jordo212000;676341 wrote:How did you arrive at this? How many TCU games did you watch? How many Wisconsin games did you watch over the past 4-5 years? Wisky was good this past season, but c'mon dude, they have been a very average Big 10 team over the past decade.

TCU has been to more BCS bowls and beat Wisky on the Rose Bowl stage.

How did you arrive at your conclusion? First off, Wisky has been to more BCS games (3 Rose bowls) winning 2 of them in 1999 and 2000, the 1998 and 1999 seasons). Wisconsin has played in a bowl game every year since 1996 (except in 2001). In the last 10 bowl games they are 5-5, winning the Capital One bowl twice and in one of those season finished 12-1. Not too mention Wiksy has had a Heisman winner in 1999, Ron Dayne.

You are out of your mind if you think Wisky has not been impressive in the last 10 years and if you are attempting to paint TCU as more impressive you are completely ignorant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowl_Championship_Series

Haha people also said Boise would never beat a big time team again after Oklahoma and now look...they haven't lost against a big time major team

dwccrew;677614 wrote:How did you arrive at your conclusion? First off, Wisky has been to more BCS games (3 Rose bowls) winning 2 of them in 1999 and 2000, the 1998 and 1999 seasons). Wisconsin has played in a bowl game every year since 1996 (except in 2001). In the last 10 bowl games they are 5-5, winning the Capital One bowl twice and in one of those season finished 12-1. Not too mention Wiksy has had a Heisman winner in 1999, Ron Dayne.

You are out of your mind if you think Wisky has not been impressive in the last 10 years and if you are attempting to paint TCU as more impressive you are completely ignorant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowl_Championship_Series

Looking at results of the past decade they are pretty similar. If anything TCU may have the upper hand:

2000
Wisconsin 9-4
TCU 10-2

2001
Wisconsin 5-7
TCU 6-6

2002
Wisconsin 8-6
TCU 10-3

2003
Wisconsin 7-6
TCU 11-2

2004
Wisconsin 9-3
TCU 5-6

2005
Wisconsin 10-3
TCU 11-1

2006
Wisconsin 12-1
TCU 11-2

2007
Wisconsin 9-4
TCU 8-5

2008
Wisconsin 7-6
TCU 11-2

2009
Wisconsin 10-3
TCU 12-1

2010
Wisconsin 11-2
TCU 13-0 * TCU wins head to head

Now I know you are going to respond by saying the Badgers play a tougher schedule and therefore are more likely to suffer pitfalls along the way. Consider though that TCU has beaten numerous power conference teams in their OOC schedule during these years (most recently they have beaten Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Clemson, Baylor) and MWC teams like BYU, Air Force and Utah have been no slouches the past decade. Meanwhile, the Big Ten has been top heavy with OSU, PSU and then sometimes you can add a Michigan (not after 2007), MSU, Northwestern or Iowa. The bottom four have been almost guaranteed wins in most seasons with Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois and Purdue.

You're right, the Wiscy plays a tougher schedule, hell they beat the #1 just this past season.

Little Danny;678849 wrote:
Consider though that TCU has beaten numerous power conference teams in their OOC schedule during these years (most recently they have beaten Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Clemson, Baylor) and MWC teams like BYU, Air Force and Utah have been no slouches the past decade. Meanwhile, the Big Ten has been top heavy with OSU, PSU and then sometimes you can add a Michigan (not after 2007), MSU, Northwestern or Iowa. The bottom four have been almost guaranteed wins in most seasons with Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois and Purdue.

You started losing steam when you throw out Texas Tech and Clemson as some evidence of winning major games. Then you plummet at Baylor, especially considering you go on to discount half of the Big Ten.

Four "guaranteed wins" vs. .....what, 11?

Little Danny;678849 wrote:Looking at results of the past decade they are pretty similar. If anything TCU may have the upper hand:

2000
Wisconsin 9-4
TCU 10-2

2001
Wisconsin 5-7
TCU 6-6

2002
Wisconsin 8-6
TCU 10-3

2003
Wisconsin 7-6
TCU 11-2

2004
Wisconsin 9-3
TCU 5-6

2005
Wisconsin 10-3
TCU 11-1

2006
Wisconsin 12-1
TCU 11-2

2007
Wisconsin 9-4
TCU 8-5

2008
Wisconsin 7-6
TCU 11-2

2009
Wisconsin 10-3
TCU 12-1

2010
Wisconsin 11-2
TCU 13-0 * TCU wins head to head

Now I know you are going to respond by saying the Badgers play a tougher schedule and therefore are more likely to suffer pitfalls along the way. Consider though that TCU has beaten numerous power conference teams in their OOC schedule during these years (most recently they have beaten Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Clemson, Baylor) and MWC teams like BYU, Air Force and Utah have been no slouches the past decade. Meanwhile, the Big Ten has been top heavy with OSU, PSU and then sometimes you can add a Michigan (not after 2007), MSU, Northwestern or Iowa. The bottom four have been almost guaranteed wins in most seasons with Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois and Purdue.

You're serious with this post? Of course I am going to say Wisky has played a tougher schedule, because it is true. Instead of comparing records, why don't you compare SOS in each of those years and also what bowl game each respective school has played in. Final rankings too. I'm willing to bet that Wisky finishes higher in most of those seasons.

This is one of those arguments that nobody is ever going to win. The point was that it was my opinion that TCU is just as much of a big boy as Wisky. Thus, I don't have any problem with them saying that they will not accept a home and home.

Obviously the Big 10 is better than the Mountain West, but to act like the the Mountain West has been the WAC is just ridiculous.

If you watch the games (I know some of my fellow Ohio State fans refuse to watch TCU, Boise, etc) you will see that these teams can play with anybody and have just as much, if not more talent than the other "big boys"

You all complain about how they only have a few big games to win and then they get into the BCS. Well... that's the system. You guys defend it all the time. If you want Boise/TCU to go away, then have a playoff. If they don't belong they will get dispatched fairly quickly.

dwccrew;677614 wrote:You are out of your mind if you think Wisky has not been impressive in the last 10 years and if you are attempting to paint TCU as more impressive you are completely ignorant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowl_Championship_Series

This.

Classyposter58;677647 wrote:Haha people also said Boise would never beat a big time team again after Oklahoma and now look...they haven't lost against a big time major team

In Bowl games since Oklahoma, they've beaten East Carolina, TCU, TCU, and Utah. I wouldn't exactly call that beating "a big time major team."

Little Danny;678849 wrote:Looking at results of the past decade they are pretty similar. If anything TCU may have the upper hand:

2000
Wisconsin 9-4
TCU 10-2

2001
Wisconsin 5-7
TCU 6-6

2002
Wisconsin 8-6
TCU 10-3

2003
Wisconsin 7-6
TCU 11-2

2004
Wisconsin 9-3
TCU 5-6

2005
Wisconsin 10-3
TCU 11-1

2006
Wisconsin 12-1
TCU 11-2

2007
Wisconsin 9-4
TCU 8-5

2008
Wisconsin 7-6
TCU 11-2

2009
Wisconsin 10-3
TCU 12-1

2010
Wisconsin 11-2
TCU 13-0 * TCU wins head to head

Now I know you are going to respond by saying the Badgers play a tougher schedule and therefore are more likely to suffer pitfalls along the way. Consider though that TCU has beaten numerous power conference teams in their OOC schedule during these years (most recently they have beaten Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Clemson, Baylor) and MWC teams like BYU, Air Force and Utah have been no slouches the past decade. Meanwhile, the Big Ten has been top heavy with OSU, PSU and then sometimes you can add a Michigan (not after 2007), MSU, Northwestern or Iowa. The bottom four have been almost guaranteed wins in most seasons with Minnesota, Indiana, Illinois and Purdue.

Now go back and look at the shitty teams TCU has been blasting! THEY DON'T PLAY IN A MAJOR CONFERENCE! Congratulations on joining the Big East. Now they at least have an automatic qualifier where they can blast a whole new set of sorry teams, because as we all know, the Big East is the WORST of the major conferences.

Scarlet_Buckeye;679445 wrote:Now go back and look at the shitty teams TCU has been blasting! THEY DON'T PLAY IN A MAJOR CONFERENCE! Congratulations on joining the Big East. Now they at least have an automatic qualifier where they can blast a whole new set of sorry teams, because as we all know, the Big East is the WORST of the major conferences.

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TCU is a big boy?...then they need to get a big stadium. No doubt, Wisky doesn't want to play in a band box which seats 33,000 less than Camp Randall.....and 61,000 less the tOSU horseshoe. I don't blame Wisconsin for not using a Non con game for a piddly paycheck. They already have to deal with Northwestern's small 50,000 seat stadium. Why clutter the schedule with small stadium paychecks when you don't have to.


Come back when you grow up. Wisconsin offered them legitimacy and they pissed on it, content to sit on their laurels.

HitsRus;679476 wrote:TCU is a big boy?...then they need to get a big stadium. No doubt, Wisky doesn't want to play in a band box which seats 33,000 less than Camp Randall.....and 61,000 less the tOSU horseshoe. I don't blame Wisconsin for not using a Non con game for a piddly paycheck. They already have to deal with Northwestern's small 50,000 seat stadium. Why clutter the schedule with small stadium paychecks when you don't have to.


Come back when you grow up. Wisconsin offered them legitimacy and they pissed on it, content to sit on their laurels.

Wisconsin offered them legitimacy by treating them like a MAC school less than a month after TCU beat them on a neutral field? Ok. Why not offer a home and home and play TCU's home game at Jerry World? Is that not big enough for Wisconsin?

Scarlet_Buckeye;679440 wrote:In Bowl games since Oklahoma, they've beaten East Carolina, TCU, TCU, and Utah. I wouldn't exactly call that beating "a big time major team."

So you are just going to ignore that huge win over (5-7) Oregon State last year? Ha ha...they had nothing left to prove after that.

karen lotz;679482 wrote:Wisconsin offered them legitimacy by treating them like a MAC school less than a month after TCU beat them on a neutral field? Ok. Why not offer a home and home and play TCU's home game at Jerry World? Is that not big enough for Wisconsin?

I like that idea, but it is still a little off the point. Wisconsin isn't the team who needs to play TCU to legitimize itself (Rose Bowl loss or not).

TCU is the team who has the uphill climb because of its schedule. This isn't a big deal for TCU now because they already found their long term solution. But if they think they're gearing for a title run next season, they've gotta take what they can get to prove themselves. If they run through their season unscathed again, they can't fall back on the "we've done everything we can" and THAT is the part that gets to most people.