Fly4Fun;664718 wrote:If you're going to define a service that loosely you should be tipping people for almost everything.

I'm not a fan of the liberal usage of tip in our society. I have nothing against tipping at restaurants when the service is good. But I think too many people just expect tips with bad service... or just expect tips for minimal service. And when people expect tips they aren't going to work for it and won't get good tips.

I tip the waiter/waitress because we are interacting for over relatively long period of time. Someone who is giving me food that I am picking up is not putting in the same time commitment and personal connection that requires a tip.

Sorry, but taking 1 minute to check the order and give it to me does not equal enough time or actual personal service to deserve a tip.

If I can't actually determine how well they did their job because of the brevity of the situation, then the situation clearly doesn't require a tip. If I don't have any kind of interaction with them for longer than 2 minutes than it doesn't merit a tip.

That's just my feelings.

Pretty much my feelings.

Pick6;664772 wrote:I rarely ever tip. If I do, it is when the server is really nice, but then I only give like 2 bucks. Im a broke, unemployed college student.

See below....

ZWICK 4 PREZ;664775 wrote:If you're broke you can't afford to eat out at a restaurant. If you can afford to eat at a restaurant, you can afford to tip.

Exactly.

power i;664958 wrote:I tip when I'm picking up Chinese, only because I'm afraid they will say nasty things about me if I don't, and I would never know.

They probably say nasty things anyway. Who cares what they say if you don't understand anyhow?

I do not tip for carryout.

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Here is the way we roll - if we're ordering from an establishment that is mostly an inside eatery, and the bartender/server has to pay special attention to us for a take-out order, I'll usually drop them 3 or 4 dollars.

If we're ordering from an establishment that is practically all take-out - as in pretty much all Chinese restaurants and a few others in our hood, absolutely not. There is no service to tip.

pinstriper;665060 wrote:I look at carry-out like your mailman. You shouldn't have to tip them, but if you frequent the place enough, and they know you by name, then you probably should just to keep in thier good graces...nothing fancy, like $10 a week or something. Just like your mailman, you don't need to tip, hell it may be illegal, i don't know...but around XMas I always leave a thank you card and $20 in the box for them...just to say thanks for not screwing up my mail too much. That little amount of money goes along way in terms of special treatment/service.

LOL, do you live in 1958?

Our mailmen rotate, I've seen their system. Some bring in the mail to the local drop box and lock it up with the residences separated by ties....the local unlocks the box, cuts the ties and walk their routes. I don't know any of their names but we're always polite to them, and they often switch roles. There's no special treatment to be had, they drop the mail through the slip (our neighborhood doesn't have mailboxes) and if it doesn't fit they put it on the sloop. If they screw it up we deal with it later, none of this is worth $10 a week or a card for them doing their damn job.

Or just alot of people are cheap.

Manhattan Buckeye;665212 wrote:none of this is worth $10 a week or a card for them doing their damn job.

The carryout guy is doing his "damn job" also....

thavoice;664789 wrote:college kids and old people tend to tip the least

And the Amish.

wildcats20;665219 wrote:The carryout guy is doing his "damn job" also....

I take it he isn't a government worker with job security and a cushy pension. And their product is subject to market forces, unlike the U.S. Post Office that 95% of the crap that comes into the house and goes directly to the shredder.

Bio-Hazzzzard;665231 wrote:And the Amish.

Have lots of friends that worked as servers at fairly high end restaurants - they were unilateral as to what demographics tip the most, and the least (if not at all) - I won't get into the negative tippers or else this will go to the political forum, but on the high end if they see a business dinner with someone trying to impress customers/clients, they would fight to get that table. The more suits you see, likely the potential for a high tip.

Manhattan Buckeye;665233 wrote:I take it he isn't a government worker with job security and a cushy pension. And their product is subject to market forces, unlike the U.S. Post Office that 95% of the crap that comes into the house and goes directly to the shredder.

I'm not really disagreeing with you, as I would never tip my current mailman. But then again at the house I grew up in, we had the same guy for almost 15 years and we always gave him an Xmas card and that kind of thing; never money though.


Where I work, part of my job is to re-plate carry out food for my clients. So we get carry out ALL the time, multiple times a day. We use the same restaurants over and over again and never once have we tipped for their "service". I do more service than a carry out person does and never once have I received a tip(then again it would be very, very strange if I ever did). I even asked one of the girls one time if she ever got tips from carry out customers and she said only one time when it was a curbside to-go type pick up and there was over a foot of snow on the ground. She said when she was hired that the manager of the restaurant told her if she ever received a tip it was because the person was trying to impress her.

Bio-Hazzzzard;665231 wrote:And the Amish.

That was funny, but not true.

I don't tip carry out people and I think that's reasonable.

I hate the way tips are expected in our country as opposed to a reward for excellent service like in other countries.

september63;665245 wrote:That was funny, but not true.

It is of more truth than you think.

tk421;664937 wrote:No. Waiters don't live off of tips either. Restaurants are required under federal law to make up any difference in the minimum wage if the person doesn't make enough in tips to cover it. So, someone stiffing a waiter isn't going to cost him anything.

How do people not understand this? I hear the "they only make $3-4" line really often and it simply isn't true. Do you really think there is a profession that large that would allow itself to receive lower pay than every other profession? No, there isn't.

I tip well for my age because most of the time I receive very good service. However, I will not tip well or perhaps not at all for sub-par service.

^ how do you figure it isn't true that they make $3-4 an hour? go ask any server...guess thats why tips are usually expected

I Wear Pants;665272 wrote:How do people not understand this? I hear the "they only make $3-4" line really often and it simply isn't true. Do you really think there is a profession that large that would allow itself to receive lower pay than every other profession? No, there isn't.

I tip well for my age because most of the time I receive very good service. However, I will not tip well or perhaps not at all for sub-par service.

you make 3-4 an hour on your paycheck, which is why it's tip based. You obviously make more per hour including tips, but without it it's a shit paying job.

I Wear Pants;665272 wrote:How do people not understand this? I hear the "they only make $3-4" line really often and it simply isn't true. Do you really think there is a profession that large that would allow itself to receive lower pay than every other profession? No, there isn't.

I tip well for my age because most of the time I receive very good service. However, I will not tip well or perhaps not at all for sub-par service.

100% False.

I grew up in a restaurant. When our store closed in 2001, a waiter made $2.30/ hour while the rest of the staff made the minimum $5.15. The waiters kept their tips. It was a Ponderosa, so a lot of people didn't tip because all the waiter did was clear plates and get drinks unless they ordered a meal. Even then, the waiter didn't take the order. On good days (Mother's Day for example), you could walk away with $75-100 in a shift.

Later, I worked at a real nice Mexican Restaurant and easily made $50+ in 4 hours on the weekends, still making right around $2.50, while the rest of the staff made minimum wage.


I don't know who said it about the store making up minimum wage for w/e tips didn't cover. I have never heard of that and my family ran a restaurant for 12 years.

Also, Waiters NEVER share tips with someone else unless it was a huge party and they teamed up with someone else. The cooks in the back are making a lot more than they are, so they don't see shit; their tip is the extra 3 dollars they make on the hour.

Finally, some restaurants actually pay their SERVERS minimum wage, but they have to claim their tips right along with their regular salary. There is a real easy way to tell if someone is making minimum wage or the lower salary; how do they address themselves? If they are a WAITER, they make/made $2.30 an hour and got to walk away with their tips. If they are a SERVER, they make w/e minimum wage is but have to record/claim their tips. At least this is how it was 10 years ago.

Drivers are the same as waiters, they make a lower wage but typically get millage reimbursement and just walk with their tips, so it actually evens out.

To answer the OP question, I don't tip carry outs. If I have to come get my food, I don't tip. The only exception is a buffet place, I usually tip $2-3 when I go there because they typically refill my beverage once and just clear the plates. Delivery Guy usually gets somewhere between 5-10, and the waiter/server usually gets at least 5 unless the service was terrible. I'm also one of those people that will leave 5 cents and a note that says something like "You were terrible." or "I didn't forget a tip, this is what you deserve."<----I've only done that a few times when orders were completely wrong, drinks left empty, and just down right no excuse for it awful service.

Waiting is a minimum wage job. You may make more than that per hour with tips, but they are not and should not be expected. Yes, each and every restaurant is REQUIRED by law to make up the difference to the federal minimum wage. That means that no matter what, a waiter will make AT LEAST 7.25/hr. Tips are extra, period.

http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/wages/wagestips.htm

A tipped employee engages in an occupation in which he or she customarily and regularly receives more than $30 per month in tips. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 per hour in direct wages if that amount combined with the tips received at least equals the federal minimum wage. If the employee&#8217;s tips combined with the employer&#8217;s direct wages of at least $2.13 per hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer MUST make up the difference. Many states, however, require higher direct wage amounts for tipped employees.

I believe it is 3.13/hr, but it's still the same. I don't feel any sympathy for a person working this job who gets pissy about getting stiffed a tip. You are getting paid for your job, you knew what it entailed, deal with it.

^^^Like I said, I never heard of it, but an above decent waiter SHOULD "break even." Thanks for showing me that though.

I did some quick math. If someone on minimum wage (I'm saying 5.15 because I have no idea what it is now) works for 6 hours, they make $30.9.
The waiter (using 2.30 for same reason) will make $13.80, so they only need $17.10 in tips. If you can't make that in 6 hours, then you need to quit waiting tables.

bigkahuna;665347 wrote:^^^Like I said, I never heard of it, but an above decent waiter SHOULD "break even." Thanks for showing me that though.

I did some quick math. If someone on minimum wage (I'm saying 5.15 because I have no idea what it is now) works for 6 hours, they make $30.9.
The waiter (using 2.30 for same reason) will make $13.80, so they only need $17.10 in tips. If you can't make that in 6 hours, then you need to quit waiting tables.

Agreed. If a waiter/waitress can't make 4.12/hr in tips, they either aren't working hard enough or are in the slowest restaurant in the world. That's only $33 in tips a day working full time. Should be pretty easy.

gut;665085 wrote:I also go by the no tip for carry out rule. And people are exactly correct - you tip a server because it's an expected part of their wages.

Precisely. I actually don't tip unless they make tip wages. And if the pizza place charges me a delivery fee, that's your tip!

tk421;665342 wrote:Waiting is a minimum wage job. You may make more than that per hour with tips, but they are not and should not be expected. Yes, each and every restaurant is REQUIRED by law to make up the difference to the federal minimum wage. That means that no matter what, a waiter will make AT LEAST 7.25/hr. Tips are extra, period.

http://www.dol.gov/dol/topic/wages/wagestips.htm

I believe it is 3.13/hr, but it's still the same. I don't feel any sympathy for a person working this job who gets pissy about getting stiffed a tip. You are getting paid for your job, you knew what it entailed, deal with it.

Wow I pretty sure quite a few places do not do that at all. Our owner, who also used to own a restaurant, I think told us that servers only have to claim on their taxes up to minimun wage I thought....but I am not totally sure on that.

Wife works at a pretty nice local restuarant and I know for a fact they do not do that.

http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs15.htm


IN that part it states "IF THE EMPLOYER ELECTS TO USE THE TIP CREDIT....".

Makes it sound like it is optional

Tipped employees are individuals engaged in occupations in which they customarily and regularly receive more than $30 a month in tips. The employer may consider tips as part of wages, but the employer must pay at least $2.13 an hour in direct wages.

The employer who elects to use the tip credit provision must inform the employee in advance and must be able to show that the employee receives at least the applicable minimum wage (see above) when direct wages and the tip credit allowance are combined. If an employee&#8217;s tips combined with the employer&#8217;s direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference. Also, employees must retain all of their tips, except to the extent that they participate in a valid tip pooling or sharing arrangement.

Manhattan Buckeye;665212 wrote:LOL, do you live in 1958?

Our mailmen rotate, I've seen their system. Some bring in the mail to the local drop box and lock it up with the residences separated by ties....the local unlocks the box, cuts the ties and walk their routes. I don't know any of their names but we're always polite to them, and they often switch roles. There's no special treatment to be had, they drop the mail through the slip (our neighborhood doesn't have mailboxes) and if it doesn't fit they put it on the sloop. If they screw it up we deal with it later, none of this is worth $10 a week or a card for them doing their damn job.

Yeah, pretty much. I live in the south in a town of about 20,000. I built the house I'm in now about 3 years ago, have had the same mailman since I moved in...his name is Jerry, nice guy.
I also tip on carryout at my local mexican restaurant that I frequent about 2 times a week. They know me when I come in, they know me when I place my order over the phone for takeout (i usually get the same things), and they sometimes slip in extra portions and what not. But to each his own.