Tiger2003 wrote: I don't always agree with the winner of this award. Howard was not even the leading rusher in all of Ohio if this was just based on offensive stats alone. But I mean BUT. Mr. Ohio is is voted on as the best players in all of the state.....Not just offense.....

Offensive Stats: 337 Carries, 2,056 Yards, 6.1 Average, 27 Touchdowns

Defensive Stats: 102 tackles, 5 TFL's, 3 Sacks, 4 Caused Fumbles, 1 Interception

Now I really believe that shows he is the best all around player in the State this year.

Based on what? Can you provide some other players stats to compare?

Exactly, post some other stats. In Salem we have a QB that accounted for more than 3,000 yards (2,000+ in the air, 1,000+ on the ground) this year and played LB and I would guess led the team in tackles. 3 picks, 2 for TD's. Not sure what his tackle count was though, but I wouldn't nominate him for Mr. Football. I'd say he's a pretty good all-around player and he led his team to the playoffs for the first time ever (after 0-10 last season). Don't act like he's the only one playing, and dominating, both ways.

And again, I'm absolutely not trying to debate that Howard's stats aren't incredible.

I just LOVE how people discredit Howard as not deserving...

1. He achieved over 2,000 yards rushing in DIVISION 1, and in the FEDERAL LEAGUE CONFERENCE. AND he played DEFENSE too.

I'd really like to see Heard, Macon, or any other names mentioned do those feats under the same circumstances. It wouldn't happen. Howard is a beast, and a pure athlete.

Play one down in his shoes.. and you will understand why he got it two years in a row.

Not to mention, he broke those Stark County rushing records, home of several ALL-Ohio rushers.

Go_Fast_Sports wrote: I just LOVE how people discredit Howard as not deserving...

1. He achieved over 2,000 yards rushing in DIVISION 1, and in the FEDERAL LEAGUE CONFERENCE. AND he played DEFENSE too.

I'd really like to see Heard, Macon, or any other names mentioned do those feats under the same circumstances. It wouldn't happen. Howard is a beast, and a pure athlete.

Play one down in his shoes.. and you will understand why he got it two years in a row.

Not to mention, he broke those Stark County rushing records, home of several ALL-Ohio rushers.

Ummm, you're using the Federal League as proof that he is deserving? Not helping your argument there.

Mooney44Cards wrote: I wasn't comparing community college to a penitentiary, Ray Williams went to jail after high school.

My fault..I think you were meaning that Erick Howard was going to end up there or something. That's why I deleted it.

september63 wrote: They dont get deleted that fast here. i was called an a-hole and it lasted close to an hour. LOL

Get over it.

Mooney44Cards wrote: Mine lasted about 5 minutes.

B/c I just so happen to have been on that thread when it was posted. Whereas..I wasn't at the computer when the comment was made about September. It was deleted..yet..he still continues to comment about it? :huh:

Thanks for the explanation GoChiefs, lord knows JJ's would have just ignored me or deleted all posts referring to that post.

No problem..contrary to what some may believe..I'm just trying to keep the nonsense down and run a good place for football talk! And be fair about it to everyone.

I understand people feeling that others my be more deserving of the award than Howard, but to act like this is totally ridiculous and that Howard in no way should possibly have won this award is crazy. I personally think that Heard should have won this award but you can't just disregard Howard's stats.

Mooney44Cards wrote: Wow, really?

http://highschoolsports.cleveland.com/news/article/3174674833448908186/north-canton-hoovers-erick-howard-repeats-as-mr-football-winner/

Congrats to Erick Howard!

Your guy didn't even make the finals list! This award includes many factors. Howard has overcome a lot in his life to achieve all of his success on the football field. He is the ALL TIME LEADING RUSHER in Stark County and that is quite an achievment. He meant more to his team than almost any other player in the state. Take your guy off of your team and somebody else still gain at least 1,000 yards with that line and those plays. Also, please take the Traficant pic away. It makes you look super silly and ignorant.

SQ_Crazies wrote: Off the top of my head, better players than Delone Carter in his class:

Beanie Wells
Ray Small
Ross Homan
Anthony Elzy
Lance Smith
Nate Davis

I really like this list SQ, especially Elzy, Smith, and Davis.

Viking wrote:

Mooney44Cards wrote: Wow, really?

http://highschoolsports.cleveland.com/news/article/3174674833448908186/north-canton-hoovers-erick-howard-repeats-as-mr-football-winner/

Congrats to Erick Howard!

Your guy didn't even make the finals list! This award includes many factors. Howard has overcome a lot in his life to achieve all of his success on the football field. He is the ALL TIME LEADING RUSHER in Stark County and that is quite an achievment. He meant more to his team than almost any other player in the state. Take your guy off of your team and somebody else still gain at least 1,000 yards with that line and those plays. Also, please take the Traficant pic away. It makes you look super silly and ignorant.

The fact that you think the Traficant picture makes him look ignorant makes YOU look ignorant.

LOL, the Federal League. Mooney plays one of the toughest schedules in the state--probably the toughest a lot of times--every year. Heard put up ridiculous numbers with what? 36% of the Mooney carries? And doesn't Heard play defense too? No one is taking it away from Howard, we just don't think he should have won it. You guys that are saying we aren't giving him his due are refusing to see anyone else as well. But the argument was lost for whoever brought up the Federal League. With most of his teams carries, Heard seriously could have ran for 3 or 4 thousand yards playing that league schedule. And yes I know how many yards that is...and no, I'm not joking.

He COULD have being the key word there..they don't go by what you COULD have ran for. Which is why IMO..him getting only 36% of the carries is not something that was even taken into consideration.

SQ_Crazies wrote:

Viking wrote:

Mooney44Cards wrote: Wow, really?

http://highschoolsports.cleveland.com/news/article/3174674833448908186/north-canton-hoovers-erick-howard-repeats-as-mr-football-winner/

Congrats to Erick Howard!

Your guy didn't even make the finals list! This award includes many factors. Howard has overcome a lot in his life to achieve all of his success on the football field. He is the ALL TIME LEADING RUSHER in Stark County and that is quite an achievment. He meant more to his team than almost any other player in the state. Take your guy off of your team and somebody else still gain at least 1,000 yards with that line and those plays. Also, please take the Traficant pic away. It makes you look super silly and ignorant.

The fact that you think the Traficant picture makes him look ignorant makes YOU look ignorant.

LOL, the Federal League. Mooney plays one of the toughest schedules in the state--probably the toughest a lot of times--every year. Heard put up ridiculous numbers with what? 36% of the Mooney carries? And doesn't Heard play defense too? No one is taking it away from Howard, we just don't think he should have won it. You guys that are saying we aren't giving him his due are refusing to see anyone else as well. But the argument was lost for whoever brought up the Federal League. With most of his teams carries, Heard seriously could have ran for 3 or 4 thousand yards playing that league schedule. And yes I know how many yards that is...and no, I'm not joking.

Your guy wasn't even a FINALIST!!!

Does anyone know who all was nominated?

Viking wrote: Your guy wasn't even a FINALIST!!!

Patrick Angle should have won!

mlisi39 wrote: Does anyone know who all was nominated?

Not sure who all was nominated..but these are the finalists.

West Chester Lakota West linebacker Jordan Hicks
Steubenville quarterback Dwight Macon
Columbus DeSales defensive lineman Travis Jackson
St. Ignatius quarterback Mark Myers
Logan quarterback Patrick Angle
Ada quarterback Heath Jackson

ridgerunner88 wrote: I know Maty Mauk is only a sophmore, but maxpreps has him as the 3rd leading passer in the nation. No other Ohio player is even on the national radar. I thought they'd almost have to give it to him.

NEWSFLASH:
Numbers mean Jack squat!
Kenton can be up by 50 and Mauk will still be throwing passes!
I like Matty Mauk, but his dad pads his stats just like he used to pad Ben's!

I really liked how Heard performed against Big Red,that was definitely a Mr.Football worthy performance, but to say Howard doesn't deserve it is crazy!
There were alot of worthy candidates, but Mr.Football is an MVP award given to the player most important to his teams success!
Without Howard Hoover would have really struggled this year as well as last year!
He does deserve this award and congratulations to him on now being a 2 time Mr. Football!

tank2nasty wrote:

ridgerunner88 wrote: I know Maty Mauk is only a sophmore, but maxpreps has him as the 3rd leading passer in the nation. No other Ohio player is even on the national radar. I thought they'd almost have to give it to him.

NEWSFLASH:
Numbers mean Jack squat!
Kenton can be up by 50 and Mauk will still be throwing passes!
I like Matty Mauk, but his dad pads his stats just like he used to pad Ben's!

I agree with your point about Mauk but I disagree with the statement that numbers mean jack squat. Numbers are exactly what football players are judged on, but you do have to consider the competition against which the numbers are compiled.

ss7 wrote:

tank2nasty wrote:

ridgerunner88 wrote: I know Maty Mauk is only a sophmore, but maxpreps has him as the 3rd leading passer in the nation. No other Ohio player is even on the national radar. I thought they'd almost have to give it to him.

NEWSFLASH:
Numbers mean Jack squat!
Kenton can be up by 50 and Mauk will still be throwing passes!
I like Matty Mauk, but his dad pads his stats just like he used to pad Ben's!

I agree with your point about Mauk but I disagree with the statement that numbers mean jack squat. Numbers are exactly what football players are judged on, but you do have to consider the competition against which the numbers are compiled.

That came out wrong! I was really just saying numbers are misleading,and you have to be careful reading into numbers!

I'm not sure what it takes to be Mr. Football, but so I could add a little to the conversation, I went and did the research and got the breakdown of Mr. Howard's numbers by game. Take this information for what it's worth. Enjoy!!

Coolidge -DC (6-4)
137 yards on 17 carries

Louisville(10-1)
45 yards on 19 carries

Lexington(6-4)
278 yards on 50 carries

Massillon Perry (4-6)
238 yards on 23 carries

Uniontown Lake (5-5) Had the flu*
274 yards on 28 carries

Boardman (7-4)
76 yards on 20 carries

Austintown Fitch (6-4)
222 yards on 40 carries

Canton McKinley (8-5)
279 yards on 34 carries

GlenOak (9-3)
165 yards on 38 carries

Massillon Jackson (0-10)
205 yards on 31 carries

Massillon Washington (10-4)
99 yards on 38

vs. Playoff teams (5 teams)
664 on 149 carries or 4.45 ypc

sources: http://www.hoovervikingsfootball.com & http://fridaynightohio.com

Mooney44Cards wrote:

Go_Fast_Sports wrote: I just LOVE how people discredit Howard as not deserving...

1. He achieved over 2,000 yards rushing in DIVISION 1, and in the FEDERAL LEAGUE CONFERENCE. AND he played DEFENSE too.

I'd really like to see Heard, Macon, or any other names mentioned do those feats under the same circumstances. It wouldn't happen. Howard is a beast, and a pure athlete.

Play one down in his shoes.. and you will understand why he got it two years in a row.

Not to mention, he broke those Stark County rushing records, home of several ALL-Ohio rushers.

Ummm, you're using the Federal League as proof that he is deserving? Not helping your argument there.

Haha... well they are all D1 schools, and the players still hit as hard, just that the coaching isn't the greatest...