Bigdogg;763258 wrote:Already did long ago. Not going to argue with you, I have moved on now.

Still waiting

believer;764717 wrote:Let's see what card plays here....

The race card? Nope.
The Repubs want our kids to starve card? Nope.

Let's see....Oh yeah, let's play the Repubs wanna kill old people card.

The predictability and hypocrisy from the left never fails to amaze me.

You must have been really amazed during the period leading up to the health care reform bill. Republicans were using the "death panel" argument quite frequently then. Of course, it was OK because they were on your side, right?

The predictability and hypocrisy from idiots like you never fails to amaze me.

stlouiedipalma;766001 wrote:The predictability and hypocrisy from idiots like you never fails to amaze me.

Crap...I forgot to add the "when you can win the argument on the merits, just call them names" card.

Yeah Louie.... and you're a Liberal too!

believer;766024 wrote:Crap...I forgot to add the "when you can win the argument on the merits, just call them names" card.

Pot, meet kettle.

At least you acknowledge that I won the argument on the merits.

Yes, let's bring up the ONE time Republicans have used a strategy that DEMOCRATS HAVE USED FOR DECADES to frighten those folks who are (elderly, ill, etc.)

Please find me other examples (other than the health care bill) where Republicans have used this strategy in elections. I'll be curious to see if you can find any, since it's almost ROUTINELY been Democrats that claims, every election, that Republicans are trying to take away Medicaid or Medicare, hoping to frighten seniors and poor folks to vote for them.

I may be wrong, but I believe that tactic has been used by Democrats in just about every major election since Reagan ran for office.

Writerbuckeye;766349 wrote:Yes, let's bring up the ONE time Republicans have used a strategy that DEMOCRATS HAVE USED FOR DECADES to frighten those folks who are (elderly, ill, etc.)

Please find me other examples (other than the health care bill) where Republicans have used this strategy in elections. I'll be curious to see if you can find any, since it's almost ROUTINELY been Democrats that claims, every election, that Republicans are trying to take away Medicaid or Medicare, hoping to frighten seniors and poor folks to vote for them.

I may be wrong, but I believe that tactic has been used by Democrats in just about every major election since Reagan ran for office.

Willie Horton begs to differ with you

Bigdogg;766602 wrote:Willie Horton begs to differ with you

Furloughed prisoners were first brought up by.....AlGore. From wikipedia:

The first person to mention the Massachusetts furlough program in the 1988 presidential campaign was Al Gore. During a debate at the Felt Forum sponsored by the New York Daily News, Gore took issue with the furlough program. However, he did not specifically mention the Horton incident or even his name, instead asking a general question about the Massachusetts furlough program.

While Republicans found the name, they were led there by AlGore, who did all of the heavy lifting for them. Much like Hillary was the first birther, the Dems tend to know how to dig up smelly dirt far better than their counterparts.

Once again, doggie gets his nose rapped with a "newspaper", so to speak. You'd think he would get tired of being wrong on these forums.

Oh and doggie, Willie Horton has NOTHING to do with scaring people about the withdrawal of Medicare or Medicaid benefits. You really need to read more carefully before responding.

Bigdogg;640345 wrote:Well your new Ohio Governor is off to a great start. I plan on keeping tabs on all the ways he has duped our fellow chatters. It is going to be a fun next four years. Looks like he is interested in giving his pals a big raise curtsy of us Ohio taxpayers.

http://www.plunderbund.com/2011/01/07/governor-elect-kasich-says-he-needs-to-pay-his-top-staff-more-because-of-the-private-sector-even-though-they-didnt-come-from-there/
I plan on following our new leader on Ohio act Check. So far he killed the so called high speed rail, which a couple of other states gladly accepted Ohio's share, and so much for his promise of transparency with all the hiring done privately with closed interviews.

Here is Ohio fact check.

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/john-kasich/

It is okay that he gives raises to Republicans ONLY Democratic liberals are worthless and deserve nothing. Republicans deserve it all, they lower taxes and believe in a very small government. Look at Kasich and how he is reducing our government from the huge swelling of all the liberal Democratic Governers we have had in this state.

It is about time.

stlouiedipalma;766215 wrote:Pot, meet kettle.

At least you acknowledge that I won the argument on the merits.

Oops yeah...I can't type well at 3:40 AM. I'm such an idiot.

I figured it was a typo. When I first read it I really thought hell had frozen over.

stlouiedipalma;766910 wrote:When I first read it I really thought hell had frozen over.

lol Yeah, I suppose that's how Osama bin Laden felt at the precise moment he was staring down the barrel of a Navy Seals weapon.

I am not sure how to comment on this story but WOW!

Gaming expert to make $15 million from state

…

Moelis, which along with Spectrum Gaming was hired to advise Kasich on casinos and other gambling-related issues in Ohio, will be paid a monthly retainer fee of $200,000 over the year-long contract. Additionally, the Los Angeles-based company can earn up to $13 million in incentives fees.

According to the contract, which was provided to The Dispatch by the Ohio Department of Administrative Services, Moelis is owed 3.25 percent of the state’s added estimated revenue from gaming – capped at $13 million.

http://blog.dispatch.com/dailybriefing/2011/05/gaming_expert_to_make_15_milli.shtml

If they can bring in tens of millions of dollars MORE, I have no problem whatsoever with that contract.

None.

Nada.

Zip.

Writerbuckeye;767429 wrote:If they can bring in tens of millions of dollars MORE, I have no problem whatsoever with that contract.

None.

Nada.

Zip.

Not surprised in the least with a partisan hack like you who most likely works for Kasick anyway.

they certainly could have gotten that done for cheaper...kasick certainly doesnt want the casino in columbus because he gets big donations from the indiana casinos.. this further delays jobs and money coming in. 200000 per month....divided by 30 days thats almost 7000 a day...smh

Bill Cunningham on WLW right now blasting Kasich.

Zombaypirate;766805 wrote:It is okay that he gives raises to Republicans ONLY Democratic liberals are worthless and deserve nothing. Republicans deserve it all, they lower taxes and believe in a very small government. Look at Kasich and how he is reducing our government from the huge swelling of all the liberal Democratic Governers we have had in this state.

It is about time.

Bravo!

Bigdogg;767537 wrote:Bill Cunningham on WLW right now blasting Kasich.

Where was he and where were you and other liberal radicals when Dick Celeste and the union-machine democrats rammed collective bargaining down the throats of Ohioans in 1983, breaking the back of middle class taxpayers, and bankrupting the state, cities, and school districts in just 25 years?

Please, answer me that.

Governor Kasich was intimately involved with selling—getting the state of Ohio’s pension fund to invest in Lehman Brothers and buy mortgage-backed securities. And of course they lost all that money. And this, broadly, was really what the mortgage bubble and the financial crisis was all about. It was essentially a gigantic criminal fraud scheme where all the banks were taking mismarked mortgage-backed securities, very, very dangerous, toxic subprime loans, they were chopping them up and then packaging them as AAA-rated investments, and then selling them to state pension funds, to insurance companies, to Chinese banks and Dutch banks and Icelandic banks. And, of course, these things were blowing up, and all those funds were going broke. But what they’re doing now is they’re blaming the people who were collecting these pensions—they’re blaming the workers, they’re blaming the firemen, they’re blaming the policemen—whereas, in reality, they were actually the victims of this fraud scheme. And the only reason that people aren’t angrier about this, I think, is because they don’t really understand what happened. If these were car companies that had sold a trillion dollars’ worth of defective cars to the citizens of the United States, there would be riots right now. But these were mortgage-backed securities, it’s complicated, people don’t understand it, and they’re only now, I think, beginning to realize that they were defrauded

Paragraphs are your friend. How about trying some.

Nice strawman, by the way.

BOTH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS are equally to blame for allowing the mortgage crisis that exploded in everyone's faces. It wasn't just one person or one company; the greed was widespread and it crossed into both sides of the aisle.

Whether the market had tanked or not, the amount of the pensions being paid out by many of these systems is NOT SUSTAINABLE. You can't have people retiring with 20 to 30 years more of life expectancy to collect what amounts to 90 percent or more of their salary while they were working. There simply aren't enough people paying into the system to keep up with the numbers who are retiring at relatively early ages, and getting paid billions of dollars over time. None of those people came close to putting in enough money while they were working to cover what they will end up taking out.

What part of this don't you understand? It's a NUMBERS GAME and there are too many people taking out too much money, and not enough people working and putting it back in.

You can point at strawmen like the stock market crash all you like -- but EVEN IF THE MARKET HAD NEVER HAD A PROBLEM this course was NOT sustainable.

Writerbuckeye;767701 wrote:Paragraphs are your friend. How about trying some.

Nice strawman, by the way.

BOTH DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS are equally to blame for allowing the mortgage crisis that exploded in everyone's faces. It wasn't just one person or one company; the greed was widespread and it crossed into both sides of the aisle.

Whether the market had tanked or not, the amount of the pensions being paid out by many of these systems is NOT SUSTAINABLE. You can't have people retiring with 20 to 30 years more of life expectancy to collect what amounts to 90 percent or more of their salary while they were working. There simply aren't enough people paying into the system to keep up with the numbers who are retiring at relatively early ages, and getting paid billions of dollars over time. None of those people came close to putting in enough money while they were working to cover what they will end up taking out.

What part of this don't you understand? It's a NUMBERS GAME and there are too many people taking out too much money, and not enough people working and putting it back in.

You can point at strawmen like the stock market crash all you like -- but EVEN IF THE MARKET HAD NEVER HAD A PROBLEM this course was NOT sustainable.

with republicans rewarding companies for moving there operations overseas , is it any wonder there isnt more people paying in?

KnightRyder;767703 wrote:with republicans rewarding companies for moving there operations overseas , is it any wonder there isnt more people paying in?

Nice non squitur.

When you take this track, and go off the path as you did earlier, it tells me you don't have an answer.

KnightRyder;767703 wrote:with republicans rewarding companies for moving there operations overseas , is it any wonder there isnt more people paying in?

Both parties have signed poor legislation which has allowed companies to go overseas. Lack of jobs is a component which has created many of the other current economic problems.