That's pretty much what I ended up doing.

Bigdogg;683073 wrote:Always been a fan of BB.

Meanwhile, looks like Kasich's policy's and ability to put his foot in his mouth are taking a toll on his popularity. His 30% approval rating is the second worse in the country. Not even his constituents are supporting SB 5.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1322.xml?ReleaseID=1550

Yet it will become the law in Ohio. Far more important than popularity to the non-partisan among us.

The hits keep coming. Kasick's latest blunder is his newly appointed Development director Mark Kvamme and EPA Director Scott Nally are not eligible to serve on his Cabinet because they are not state residents. Everything they have done so far is nell and void. One blunder after another. Can't wait till next week to see what happens.

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2011/02/18/jobsohio-bill-signed.html?sid=101

queencitybuckeye;683324 wrote:Yet it will become the law in Ohio. Far more important than popularity to the non-partisan among us.

Same could be said of the Health Care Law.

Bigdogg;683332 wrote:Same could be said of the Health Care Law.

Yes it could. What's important is the legislation, not the effect on popularity polls. SB5 is a remakable positive for my native state. That it offends the non-productive is neither here nor there.

Bigdogg;683327 wrote:The hits keep coming. Kasick's latest blunder is his newly appointed Development director Mark Kvamme and EPA Director Scott Nally are not eligible to serve on his Cabinet because they are not state residents. Everything they have done so far is nell and void. One blunder after another. Can't wait till next week to see what happens.

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2011/02/18/jobsohio-bill-signed.html?sid=101

It's being studied and IF it is upheld, all Kasich has to do is change the title and keep the job duties to get around that ruling. Personally, I'd prefer the best folks be used for a job, even if they come from out of state. If they can help make our state's economic situation much better, then I say more power to them. I can see why Democrats wouldn't agree with all that, though. They want Kasich to fail, apparently, even if it ends up hurting the state.

Well I mean, if they are from out of state that's a legitimate concern. Conservatives would be all over Democrats if the roles were reveresed as well.

Republicans would want the best person for the job. If that meant bringing in someone from out of state, so be it. I don't recall Republicans having protectionist type views on issues -- that is the realm of Democrats.

I think they wouldn't agree that whoever a Democratic governor chose was the best person for the job and as such would make a big stink.

QuakerOats;640670 wrote:Actually the first two years will not be fun ....... because it is time for tough medicine and a reality check. The days of fat public employee wage and benefit packages are over, along with the multi-thousand excess employees to begin with. The big boys who have to come in and make the cuts are always slammed, when in fact past liberal spending and liberal democrat policies (public sector unionization) are to solely to blame.

Actually, the only fun aspect to this will be watching the public sector largess get whacked, and unions squirm their ass off for the next two years amidst the necessary cuts.

Public employee here (attorney) . . . . work about 55 hours a week and get paid for 40. Last raise, 2008 . . . . despite getting an "exceptional" merit rating every year since then. Check gets smaller every year, due to taxes and health insurance costs.

Not meant as a "poor me" comment, but I do get sick of reading about our fat checks and easy hours . . . in my personal experience, that's not the case . . . at least not within my organization.

ICEMAN59;684840 wrote:Public employee here (attorney) . . . . work about 55 hours a week and get paid for 40. Last raise, 2008 . . . . despite getting an "exceptional" merit rating every year since then. Check gets smaller every year, due to taxes and health insurance costs.

Not meant as a "poor me" comment, but I do get sick of reading about our fat checks and easy hours . . . in my personal experience, that's not the case . . . at least not within my organization.

I work 60 hours a week ..check that 24/7, pay my own insurance, retirement, vacation and sick days along with my employees and they share their responsibilities to pay part of their benefits plan. Nobody get a raise that are left from the past two years of the Public Servant Obama incompetency agenda and those that are still employed have taken a 15 % pay cut to keep their jobs…… willingly. I took a 25% cut just to keep my businesses running …
What part of the private sector package would you like to incorporate in to your benefit plan? Obama stated that “everyone needs to put some skin in the game” …. What teacher and government employees to good for a skins game…

ICEMAN59;684840 wrote:Public employee here (attorney) . . . . work about 55 hours a week and get paid for 40. Last raise, 2008 . . . . despite getting an "exceptional" merit rating every year since then. Check gets smaller every year, due to taxes and health insurance costs.

Not meant as a "poor me" comment, but I do get sick of reading about our fat checks and easy hours . . . in my personal experience, that's not the case . . . at least not within my organization.

Public employee here as well. I have taken a pay cut, pay freeze, pay more into insurance. My retirement is now going to change...pay more in, work longer for less benefits!!! Someone please tell me where all this great pay and benefits are!!!??
I sure don't see teachers, police or firefighters living a lavish lifestyle!! Some people are buying into this POLITICAL smoke and mirrors by our ahole governor and the republicans!!

Kasich's approval rating is the lowest of any Ohio Gov since Dick Celeste's 32% in 1983

centralbucksfan;685840 wrote:Public employee here as well. I have taken a pay cut, pay freeze, pay more into insurance. My retirement is now going to change...pay more in, work longer for less benefits!!! Someone please tell me where all this great pay and benefits are!!!??
I sure don't see teachers, police or firefighters living a lavish lifestyle!! Some people are buying into this POLITICAL smoke and mirrors by our ahole governor and the republicans!!

Quit and get a private sector job nobody stopping you.. if you think the grass is greener take the leap.. That's not going to happen because as much as you would like to think you have it bad ...you know you don't. ….. Your comfort level is set and you like it …

Belly35;685895 wrote:Quit and get a private sector job nobody stopping you.. if you think the grass is greener take the leap.. That's not going to happen because as much as you would like to think you have it bad ...you know you don't. ….. Your comfort level is set and you like it …

I highly agree with a Belly post

LJ;685945 wrote:I highly agree with a Belly post

First time? lol

LJ;685945 wrote:I highly agree with a Belly post

Centralbuck was not complaining, just attempting to educate those on here that are only listening to the politics and not all the facts. I know the county where I live now most of the public worker have lost wages and benefits over the past 2 years.

I saw on FFT's budget projections that he proposed cutting mental health's budget 50%. What he doesn't know is that the last budget cycle they were cut 30%. You may not think that's a big deal until the local and state jails start filling up. If you think I am making this up, talk to any Sheriff or prison administrator. Of course Kasich will not care, when he privatizes the prisons he will most likely get a kick back or be appointed to their board of directors after his short political career is over. You guys crack me up. The problem is the state of Ohio's revenue collection was down over 30% last budget cycle. Collective bargaining has very little to do with solving the crisis, but some reform is needed.

Bigdogg;685997 wrote:Centralbuck was not complaining, just attempting to educate those on here that are only listening to the politics and not all the facts. I know the county where I live now most of the public worker have lost wages and benefits over the past 2 years. I also saw on your budget projections that you propose cutting mental health's budget 50%. What you don't know is that the last budget cycle they were cut 30%. You may not think that's a big deal until the local and state jails start filling up. If you think I am making this up, talk to any Sheriff or prison administrator. Of course Kasich will not care, when he privatizes the prisons he will most likely get a kick back or be appointed to their board of directors after his short political career is over. You guys crack me up.

I haven't made any budget projections, so be careful when you say "your".

Also, I used to work in the public sector, as well as have many friends who are still there. Nothing like a bunch of overpaid gov't accountants unionizing so that they can skip going NSPS so that they can continue to get their yearly $1,000 raises PLUS COLAs. While Obama has frozen the COLAs, they still get their nice $1,000 per year step increases. All because they unionized to stop the implementation of pay for performance.

LJ;686072 wrote:I haven't made any budget projections, so be careful when you say "your".

Also, I used to work in the public sector, as well as have many friends who are still there. Nothing like a bunch of overpaid gov't accountants unionizing so that they can skip going NSPS so that they can continue to get their yearly $1,000 raises PLUS COLAs. While Obama has frozen the COLAs, they still get their nice $1,000 per year step increases. All because they unionized to stop the implementation of pay for performance.

I stand corrected on the budget projections. That was FFT, I sometimes get you two mixed up. I was never a big fan of step increases either. I have over 65 employees and no union. My philosophy has always been if you treat your employees right, there will be no need for a union. My brother is a partner in a law firm and works at least 70-80 hours a week. He makes good money but I have no desire to trade him professions. Tort reform, and making the tax system more simple would put a lot of them out of a job. I always thought that industry was ripe for collective bargaining. There is way too many of them out there to go around right now.

My grandfather was a supervisor in a coal mine after he got out of the navy. They use to pay the miners by the ton for their work. He knew the company was fixing the scales to weigh less and cheating the miners. He sympathized with the miners when they organized and lost his job. Doing the right thing is not the easiest thing to do. I fear that the younger generation has lost this value.

Belly35;685895 wrote:Quit and get a private sector job nobody stopping you.. if you think the grass is greener take the leap.. That's not going to happen because as much as you would like to think you have it bad ...you know you don't. ….. Your comfort level is set and you like it …

Never said it was greener. Its the private sector that think its greener and that we haven't had to make sacrifices. When in FACT, we have as I have stated. My comfort level is what I CHOSE to make of it pal. I don't sit around pointing the finger at others. I go out and do something about it when I need to!

Bigdogg;685997 wrote: You guys crack me up. The problem is the state of Ohio's revenue collection was down over 30% last budget cycle. Collective bargaining has very little to do with solving the crisis, but some reform is needed.

You really aren't this dense, so stop pretending you are. When you're stuck with a union contract and revenues go down, you still have to pay. Also, the SYSTEM is not sustainable (continually going up at the rate it has), and that is why we are now seeing projected shortfalls in public pension funds, along with budget shortages. It's time to take away collective bargaining and bring sanity back to both.

Bigdogg;686241 wrote:I stand corrected on the budget projections. That was FFT, I sometimes get you two mixed up. I was never a big fan of step increases either. I have over 65 employees and no union. My philosophy has always been if you treat your employees right, there will be no need for a union. My brother is a partner in a law firm and works at least 70-80 hours a week. He makes good money but I have no desire to trade him professions. Tort reform, and making the tax system more simple would put a lot of them out of a job. I always thought that industry was ripe for collective bargaining. There is way too many of them out there to go around right now.

My grandfather was a supervisor in a coal mine after he got out of the navy. They use to pay the miners by the ton for their work. He knew the company was fixing the scales to weigh less and cheating the miners. He sympathized with the miners when they organized and lost his job. Doing the right thing is not the easiest thing to do. I fear that the younger generation has lost this value.

Wasn't trying to attack you, thought you meant the Republicans by "your"

Writerbuckeye;686395 wrote:You really aren't this dense, so stop pretending you are. When you're stuck with a union contract and revenues go down, you still have to pay. Also, the SYSTEM is not sustainable (continually going up at the rate it has), and that is why we are now seeing projected shortfalls in public pension funds, along with budget shortages. It's time to take away collective bargaining and bring sanity back to both.

Really pal? I saw a lot of unions making concessions over the past two years. They all do to keep their jobs. You have no f***ing clue you M****.

LJ;686402 wrote:Wasn't trying to attack you, thought you meant the Republicans by "your"

Naw, I give you a little more credit then to label you anything.

Just because you put **** doesn't keep you from the rules of name calling. Only warning.