Commander of Awesome
Posts: 23,151
Dec 30, 2011 1:42pm
That wasn't it point, not surprised it went over your head, doesn't have to go very high.DeyDurkie5;1031433 wrote:so you are basing griffins potential in the NFL on tebow's throwing motion?
smh pick
Skyhook79
Posts: 5,739
Dec 30, 2011 3:35pm
Makes as much sense as what you are basing Andrew Luck's potential on.DeyDurkie5;1031433 wrote:so you are basing griffins potential in the NFL on tebow's throwing motion?
smh pick
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Dec 30, 2011 4:55pm
A lot of time between now and the draft but the more & more I think about it, I can't see Holmgren allowing the Browns to bring in a QB like RG3. He and Shurmur are so rigid in their antiquated WCO system that I just don't see them willing to adapt to his skill set. RG3 is the kind of QB that you adapt your system to and build around. I don't see the current regime being flexible enough to adapt.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Dec 30, 2011 6:32pm
Pashos is no world beater but he's better than any RT the Browns have. He's been ruled out for Sunday. Seneca better have his track shoes on.
shook_17
Posts: 3,023
Dec 30, 2011 9:06pm
^^ of course he is. its going to be a blood bath.
EDIT: guess they better trade for luck then
EDIT: guess they better trade for luck then
Sykotyk
Posts: 1,155
Dec 30, 2011 11:40pm
Well, turns out I do get to go to this game after all. I just hope to god we pull a miracle. I hate leaving the stadium after losing to the Steelers.
DeyDurkie5
Posts: 11,324
Dec 31, 2011 8:40am
It's a win-win situation really. They win, then great fuck the steelers...if they lose, great our draft pick gets betterSykotyk;1032005 wrote:Well, turns out I do get to go to this game after all. I just hope to god we pull a miracle. I hate leaving the stadium after losing to the Steelers.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Dec 31, 2011 12:14pm
As an FYI, Matt Flynn has been mentioned as a potential FA target of Heckert/Holmgren (not interested, personally). He will be starting in place of Aaron Rodgers tomorrow.
ytownfootball
Posts: 6,978
Dec 31, 2011 12:17pm
OMG the dude was horrendously un-talented in college, do not effin wantBR1986FB;1032329 wrote:As an FYI, Matt Flynn has been mentioned as a potential FA target of Heckert/Holmgren (not interested, personally). He will be starting in place of Aaron Rodgers tomorrow.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Dec 31, 2011 2:42pm
Now another option I could see, if the Browns hire Mike Sherman as their offensive coordinator, is Ryan Tannehill with their second 1st rounder.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Dec 31, 2011 2:54pm
If the Browns are set on not drafting a QB, you have to look at everyone. If Flynn is better than McCoy, why not try to sign him to a 3 year deal. Then you can draft a QB in 2013 and maybe even sit him a year behind Flynn.BR1986FB;1032329 wrote:As an FYI, Matt Flynn has been mentioned as a potential FA target of Heckert/Holmgren (not interested, personally). He will be starting in place of Aaron Rodgers tomorrow.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Dec 31, 2011 2:57pm
Wouldn't make any sense to me. Why not take Griffin with their 1st pick then? He is much better than Tannehill.BR1986FB;1032447 wrote:Now another option I could see, if the Browns hire Mike Sherman as their offensive coordinator, is Ryan Tannehill with their second 1st rounder.
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Dec 31, 2011 3:01pm
Highly doubt that happens. Would be the biggest waste of a 1st round I have ever seenBR1986FB;1032447 wrote:Now another option I could see, if the Browns hire Mike Sherman as their offensive coordinator, is Ryan Tannehill with their second 1st rounder.
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Dec 31, 2011 3:04pm
I'd be supremely pissed if we drafted Tannehill. He's a project QB and probably won't be ready to start in the NFL for a few years.
And as I mentioned before, if we sign Matt Flynn I will probably resign as a Browns fan.
And as I mentioned before, if we sign Matt Flynn I will probably resign as a Browns fan.
thedynasty1998
Posts: 6,844
Dec 31, 2011 3:11pm
Do you think he would be too expensive? Why be opposed to bringing in someone to compete for a starting job?Mulva;1032479 wrote:I'd be supremely pissed if we drafted Tannehill. He's a project QB and probably won't be ready to start in the NFL for a few years.
And as I mentioned before, if we sign Matt Flynn I will probably resign as a Browns fan.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Dec 31, 2011 3:11pm
Kinda the way I feel if I have to watch Charlie Frye Jr (McCoy) under center next year. Don't want Flynn either.Mulva;1032479 wrote: And as I mentioned before, if we sign Matt Flynn I will probably resign as a Browns fan.
I just get this feeling that Shurmur/Holmgren won't be flexible enough to utilize RG3's attributes thus passing on him. It would piss me off but I could see it happening in favor of someone like Tannehill who Holmgren could 'groom." Guys (Holmgren's) ego is a big as Texas so it would be a "challenge."
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Dec 31, 2011 3:16pm
Oh...and just in case none of you already knew this, Seneca Wallace is a piece of shit. Real "team player" there...
"Do I feel like things always are fair? No. And that's just the way it is. . . . It
was Pat[Shurmur's] decision to give Colt an opportunity, and that's what it was."
A nine-year pro, Wallace reiterated what he told The Plain Dealer in June -- that
he wasn't going to share all his knowledge of the West Coast offense with McCoy
because he wanted to beat him for the job.
Asked during Thursday's interview how much mentoring he's done with McCoy this season,
Wallace said: "Not much. Not much. That was Jake [Delhomme's] deal. He did a lot of some stuff with him
last year. But that's not my thing. It's just one thing I don't do. I came in
with the mind-set I wanted to compete, whatever case that was."
Wallace said he'd answer any questions McCoy might have about the West Coast offense,
but he wouldn't offer unsolicited help.
"Do I feel like things always are fair? No. And that's just the way it is. . . . It
was Pat[Shurmur's] decision to give Colt an opportunity, and that's what it was."
A nine-year pro, Wallace reiterated what he told The Plain Dealer in June -- that
he wasn't going to share all his knowledge of the West Coast offense with McCoy
because he wanted to beat him for the job.
Asked during Thursday's interview how much mentoring he's done with McCoy this season,
Wallace said: "Not much. Not much. That was Jake [Delhomme's] deal. He did a lot of some stuff with him
last year. But that's not my thing. It's just one thing I don't do. I came in
with the mind-set I wanted to compete, whatever case that was."
Wallace said he'd answer any questions McCoy might have about the West Coast offense,
but he wouldn't offer unsolicited help.
iclfan2
Posts: 6,360
Dec 31, 2011 3:40pm
What a piece of garbage. That pisses me off. Same moron who ran the ball with no timeouts and 6 second left. smh
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Dec 31, 2011 3:45pm
Oh..and BTW, regarding the Browns "shitty offensive line".....Browns offensive line is middle of the pack (ranked 15th) in pass blocking while the Steelers are 21st and the Packers 23rd. GB's & Pitt's (much better teams) QB's also sacked more. Fifteenth isn't great but a far cry better than what many are proclaiming (pass protection stats are in blue to the right)...
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol
McCoy had time to throw...
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol
McCoy had time to throw...
like_that
Posts: 26,625
Dec 31, 2011 3:46pm
They did seem to get better toward the end of this season.BR1986FB;1032531 wrote:Oh..and BTW, regarding the Browns "shitty offensive line".....Browns offensive line is middle of the pack (ranked 15th) in pass blocking while the Steelers are 21st and the Packers 23rd. GB's & Pitt's (much better teams) QB's also sacked more. Fifteenth isn't great but a far cry better than what many are proclaiming (pass protection stats are in blue to the right)...
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol
McCoy had time to throw...
Mulva
Posts: 13,650
Dec 31, 2011 3:53pm
Because 2 backups competing for the starting QB spot isn't my idea of good times.thedynasty1998;1032491 wrote:Do you think he would be too expensive? Why be opposed to bringing in someone to compete for a starting job?
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Dec 31, 2011 3:53pm
The line is coming together. If Steinbach comes back I think they can move Pinky to RG and draft a RT and they'll be fine. Actually having one of the better lines in the league.like_that;1032534 wrote:They did seem to get better toward the end of this season.
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BR1986FB
Posts: 24,104
Dec 31, 2011 3:56pm
If they are going to start over I'd prefer it be with one of the top 2 prospects (Luck or RG3). I don't get the warm fuzzies about Flynn and I don't want a stopgap retread (Orton, Campbell, etc like they tried with Delhomme).Mulva;1032538 wrote:Because 2 backups competing for the starting QB spot isn't my idea of good times.
dazedconfused
Posts: 2,662
Dec 31, 2011 3:57pm
he's the bestBR1986FB;1032500 wrote:Oh...and just in case none of you already knew this, Seneca Wallace is a piece of ****. Real "team player" there...
"Do I feel like things always are fair? No. And that's just the way it is. . . . It
was Pat[Shurmur's] decision to give Colt an opportunity, and that's what it was."
A nine-year pro, Wallace reiterated what he told The Plain Dealer in June -- that
he wasn't going to share all his knowledge of the West Coast offense with McCoy
because he wanted to beat him for the job.
Asked during Thursday's interview how much mentoring he's done with McCoy this season,
Wallace said: "Not much. Not much. That was Jake [Delhomme's] deal. He did a lot of some stuff with him
last year. But that's not my thing. It's just one thing I don't do. I came in
with the mind-set I wanted to compete, whatever case that was."
Wallace said he'd answer any questions McCoy might have about the West Coast offense,
but he wouldn't offer unsolicited help.
royal_k
Posts: 4,423
Dec 31, 2011 4:15pm
So, Wallace is a dbag. That's nice to know. How about a couple of missed blocks from his blind side sunday.