BR1986FB;1021547 wrote:If somehow all of the viable QB's are gone (other teams leapfrog them via trade), HELL YES you trade down...BUT, you don't do stupid shit and trade down into the 20's.

like_that;1021560 wrote:What if those teams are throwing the house to switch with the Browns? The Browns wouldn't fall down that far in the draft in this case.

BR1986FB;1021565 wrote:I'd have no issue as long as they're not dropping into the 20's. I love me some smashmouth football but I'm fucking sick and tired of hearing "with the their first pick in the draft the Browns select <insert offensive lineman>." They need playmakers. They can get a "big ugly" RT in the 3rd round.

BR1986FB;1021565 wrote:I'd have no issue as long as they're not dropping into the 20's. I love me some smashmouth football but I'm fucking sick and tired of hearing "with the their first pick in the draft the Browns select <insert offensive lineman>." They need playmakers. They can get a "big ugly" RT in the 3rd round.

ytownfootball;1021566 wrote:Pretty much, the time for waiting 'till the third round to select your"diamond in the rough" project are long gone. This team needs weapons and I think triggers get pulled this time around.

like_that;1021568 wrote:In my wishful scenario, the Browns still would be able to get a playmaker, and they would get antoher first rounder for next draft. Can build a team pretty quickly if you keep getting first round picks.

BR1986FB;1021570 wrote:I'm just not willing to dive that low to get average/serviceable players. This team needs "Von Miller's", "Patrick Peterson's" and "AJ Green's" (although there's no way I use that 4-5th pick on Blackmon when they need a veteran FA WR).

BR1986FB;1021569 wrote:Heckert has acknowledged they need weapons.

My biggest concern is that Holmgren's ego (he made the call) won't allow him to "cut bait' with McCoy, they'll get the necessary weapons and McCoy will prove to be the "average" QB that many think he is. Another year wasted (ala keeping "Dead Man Walking' Mangini around too long) and back to "square one' in 2013 when there won't be **** for QB's in the draft.

BR1986FB;1021569 wrote:Heckert has acknowledged they need weapons.

My biggest concern is that Holmgren's ego (he made the call) won't allow him to "cut bait' with McCoy, they'll get the necessary weapons and McCoy will prove to be the "average" QB that many think he is. Another year wasted (ala keeping "Dead Man Walking' Mangini around too long) and back to "square one' in 2013 when there won't be shit for QB's in the draft.

OhioStatePride2003;1021576 wrote:Love the hypotheticals, but let's say Holmgren wins out and McCoy is our guy at the start of next season.

If it's obvious this team can win, just not with McCoy, do you think Holmgren swallows his pride, and they move Wallace into the starting line-up? Or, maybe trade? If, after the first 4-5 games next year McCoy ain't gettin' it done, but we're at say, 2-3 or 1-4....then what?

I understand that Wallace put up "McCoy-like" numbers on Sunday, but in his first start since last year, and with Shurmur's putrid play-calling, but I think he's an upgrade over McCoy - and I'd like to see McCoy succeed. Again, like it's been said 1000 times on this thread alone - if the Browns wanted to win this season, McCoy wouldn't have been the starting QB - at least not to start the season.

ytownfootball;1021578 wrote:Heckert has been the only front office personnel to acknowledge shortcomings and actually answer to the media/fans. Holmgren and Shurmer pussyfoot around the questions and don't answer anything. I don't want to mortgage the farm but I think we need to make some moves, and we might not have a war chest and availability like we do now.

Commander of Awesome;1021652 wrote:Two games left and we're playing the hypothetical draft game. I'm not sold on Blackmon, seems to lack the athleticism and isn't big enough (Larry Fitz) to over come it. Not sure he's a stud in the Pros, hoping the combine/film breakdown in the off season to say one way or the other.

Also I agree with Durkie, we take RG3 I will be pissed.

Y-Town Steelhound;1021784 wrote:Disagree with both of these points....

Blackmon is a stud and will have an "AJ Green" type impact on whatever team drafts him. He may not be 6'5'' but he has a ridiculous wingspan/overall catch radius and most importantly he CAN catch. He'd be perfect as the playmaking receiver the Browns need and if they pass on him, they may still be able to get IMO the only other WR worth taking in the 1st in Michael Floyd.

As for being pissed if the Browns take RGIII, I guess things like "winning" piss you off...which is fine. My opinions on RGIII are well-known which are that he is without question the best QB in this draft.

Commander of Awesome;1021934 wrote:I understand that McCoy is in a new system yadda yadda. However, just from the eye test, he lacks the physical tools to get the job done IMO. New system doesn't account for bone head INTs, lack of zip on the ball, not throwing the WR open, bad accuracy, etc...

Commander of Awesome;1021934 wrote:I understand that McCoy is in a new system yadda yadda. However, just from the eye test, he lacks the physical tools to get the job done IMO. New system doesn't account for bone head INTs, lack of zip on the ball, not throwing the WR open, bad accuracy, etc...

OQB;1021937 wrote:That's the wrong Gronkowski....

BR1986FB;1021945 wrote:LOL...like the Pats would release the GOOD one. :laugh: