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bigkahuna
Posts: 4,454
Jan 19, 2011 10:36am
I agree with you, but I think most of us are excited because it's almost a guarantee that they will improve now. I mean it'd be hard to be worse than this past season, but it could have happened with the same coaching staff.
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dave
Posts: 4,558
Jan 19, 2011 10:37am
There is far more than bare minimum D1 talent on the defensive side of the ball. If Troy Woolfork, JT Floyd, and Mike Martin can stay healthy they are instantly much better. Add another year of experience for Black and Roh alongside vets VanBuren and Martin and the front 4 should be pretty solid. The linebackers will probably be the weak spot next year.
Not saying they will be near the top defensively in the Big 10 but with some good coaching, a few freshman stepping up, and luck healthwise they are a lot closer than many think. 2012 might be scary though unless some young guys really step up.
Not saying they will be near the top defensively in the Big 10 but with some good coaching, a few freshman stepping up, and luck healthwise they are a lot closer than many think. 2012 might be scary though unless some young guys really step up.
Hb31187
Posts: 8,534
Jan 19, 2011 10:40am
Linebackers will probably be a weak spot BUT, Demens I think will be a beast
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dave
Posts: 4,558
Jan 19, 2011 10:51am
For sure, he has David Harris potential IMO
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rocketalum
Posts: 268
Jan 19, 2011 10:57am
dave;643742 wrote:There is far more than bare minimum D1 talent on the defensive side of the ball. If Troy Woolfork, JT Floyd, and Mike Martin can stay healthy they are instantly much better. Add another year of experience for Black and Roh alongside vets VanBuren and Martin and the front 4 should be pretty solid. The linebackers will probably be the weak spot next year.
Not saying they will be near the top defensively in the Big 10 but with some good coaching, a few freshman stepping up, and luck healthwise they are a lot closer than many think. 2012 might be scary though unless some young guys really step up.
Didn't mean that as a slam on Michigan by any means. I'm not in touch with their personnel enough to know what kind of talent is on that team. But from the outside looking in and from their national ranks you'd have to at least understand where my "bare minimum" comment came from.
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dave
Posts: 4,558
Jan 19, 2011 11:37am
Yeah I understand. I have no problem when people slam the defense. Hell all of us Michigan fans do that. The lack of talent is where people outside of Michigan think there is a much larger gap than there is. With that many injuries and so many guys playing out of position due to the injuries and the stupid 3-3-5 along with such a young D it's easy to see people think there isn't anything to work with. Again, it's not Iowa/OSU talent but it's also not MAC/Sun Belt talent either.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Jan 19, 2011 11:59am
Midstate01;643051 wrote:good hire by michigan today getting the DC from the ravens. Now they have to get some players there for him to coach up.
it's an excellent hire--just curious, how old is he now anyway?
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 19, 2011 12:04pm
vball10set;643872 wrote:it's an excellent hire--just curious, how old is he now anyway?
62 I think.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 19, 2011 12:06pm
dave;643832 wrote:Yeah I understand. I have no problem when people slam the defense. Hell all of us Michigan fans do that. The lack of talent is where people outside of Michigan think there is a much larger gap than there is. With that many injuries and so many guys playing out of position due to the injuries and the stupid 3-3-5 along with such a young D it's easy to see people think there isn't anything to work with. Again, it's not Iowa/OSU talent but it's also not MAC/Sun Belt talent either.
While Michigan doesn't have all the talent they need to compete for the Big 10 yet, I do agree that there is more talent than what RRod's staff was able to show us. This is one of the main reasons that RRod and the defensive staff lost my support this last season. They just didn't seem to have a knack for playing the right people in the right positions, and the 3-3-5 sometimes forced a guy to play where he shouldn't have been.
Hoke and Mattison will be able to maximize what we do have IMO, and that will go a long ways towards improving.
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vball10set
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Jan 19, 2011 12:06pm
^^thanks--he's a helluva defensive coach, and again, an excellent hire for tsun
jordo212000
Posts: 10,664
Jan 19, 2011 12:16pm
Love the hire by Michigan. Hoke and Pizza Boy hit a HR! Never would have expected them to grab the Ravens D-coordinator. Their defense has instant credibility now. Al Borges isn't a terrible hire either.
I can't help but notice how Hoke is approaching the start of his Michigan career in the exact opposite way of Rich Rod. He is reaching out to other Michigan guys, bringing in talented assistant coaches with good reputations, and is respecting tradition. Night and day difference
I can't help but notice how Hoke is approaching the start of his Michigan career in the exact opposite way of Rich Rod. He is reaching out to other Michigan guys, bringing in talented assistant coaches with good reputations, and is respecting tradition. Night and day difference
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Jan 19, 2011 1:11pm
jordo212000;643901 wrote: I can't help but notice how Hoke is approaching the start of his Michigan career in the exact opposite way of Rich Rod. He is reaching out to other Michigan guys, bringing in talented assistant coaches with good reputations, and is respecting tradition. Night and day difference
ala Jim Tressel..to be honest, it makes me kinda' nervous
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bigkahuna
Posts: 4,454
Jan 19, 2011 7:09pm
That's what happens when you get someone who actually has passion for the school and the tradition.
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bo shemmy3337
Posts: 962
Jan 19, 2011 9:17pm
WebFire;643886 wrote:While Michigan doesn't have all the talent they need to compete for the Big 10 yet, I do agree that there is more talent than what RRod's staff was able to show us. This is one of the main reasons that RRod and the defensive staff lost my support this last season. They just didn't seem to have a knack for playing the right people in the right positions, and the 3-3-5 sometimes forced a guy to play where he shouldn't have been.
Hoke and Mattison will be able to maximize what we do have IMO, and that will go a long ways towards improving.
I 100% agree with you. Any news on recruiting?
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 19, 2011 9:35pm
bo shemmy3337;644651 wrote:I 100% agree with you. Any news on recruiting?
Visiting this weekend:
4* CB Stefan McClure
4* CB Raymon Taylor
4* RB Justice Hayes (committed)
3* OL Tony Posada (committed)
3* LB Frank Clark
2* K Matt Will (Army All-American K)
Visiting the 28th:
4* TE Chris Barnett
4* CB Floyd Raven
3* RB Thomas Rawls
Considering but no visits scheduled:
4* OT Chris Bryant (already had a visit and stopped last weekend to meet Hoke)
3* WR Hakeem Flowers
3* OL Jake Fisher (decommitted)
Midstate01
Posts: 14,766
Jan 20, 2011 1:38am
Tate forcier says on his Twitter michigan gave up on him and it's time to go.
Don't think he was going to play over Robinson anyway, but it does hurtthe depth.
Don't think he was going to play over Robinson anyway, but it does hurtthe depth.
Trueblue23
Posts: 7,463
Jan 20, 2011 1:58am
He wouldn't play over Denard or Gardner.. I wish Tate all the best.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 20, 2011 7:09am
I agree, it does hurt depth for sure. But I'm sick of this kid's act. I think it is time for him to go. I wish him all the best.
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JU-ICE
Posts: 259
Jan 20, 2011 8:57am
Any word on an Off. Coord.? Would like to see Scott Loefler (sp?) back in AA.
j_crazy
Posts: 8,372
Jan 20, 2011 9:23am
michigan has a very good staff of coaches. we'll see how well they recruit, but with coaches like they're getting, they won't need the 5* recruits, the'll take a 3* kid and make him a damn good player.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 20, 2011 9:37am
JU-ICE;645080 wrote:Any word on an Off. Coord.? Would like to see Scott Loefler (sp?) back in AA.
Al Borges is OC.
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 20, 2011 10:03am
Hoke lands his first recruit. 3* CB Tamani Carter has committed to the Wolverines.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/michigan/football/recruiting/player-Tamani-Carter-85311
http://rivals.yahoo.com/michigan/football/recruiting/player-Tamani-Carter-85311
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bigkahuna
Posts: 4,454
Jan 20, 2011 10:10am
It's probably due to the hype of the new coach, but I think I'm more excited about this up coming season than I have in a long time.
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vball10set
Posts: 24,795
Jan 20, 2011 10:54am
^^^ when a coach is passionate about the team, it definitely has a trickle down effect to the fan base...and Brady Hoke is all about passion
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WebFire
Posts: 14,779
Jan 20, 2011 2:45pm
4* LB Leilon Willingham is now scheduled to visit this weekend as well.