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Dec 23, 2010 10:00 PM
Pick6;612125 wrote:A. they are already having a half of a season taken away from them for selling something that is THEIRS. I mean its not like we have a Cam Newton or Reggie Bush situation

Well the Reggie Bush situation certainly was an outrage - and perhaps cost Carroll his job. It would be interesting to ever find out what truly happened there.

But as far as receiving funds, the difference with this and Newton is only a matter of amount. There's isn't any difference between a booster telling a player they'll give them "X" dollars and a booster telling a player they'll give them "X" dollars if they give them their boxer shorts (or in this case memorabilia). Otherwise we'd have a complete underground black market of boosters paying players under the disguise of just purchasing stuff.
Dec 23, 2010 10:00pm
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Dec 23, 2010 10:02 PM
Chekwa is like a reincarnation of Dustin Fox.... except he's not white
Dec 23, 2010 10:02pm
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Dec 23, 2010 10:05 PM
Red_Skin_Pride;612193 wrote:I agree. I think outside of Torrence, our secondary is subpar for a team that is considered one of the dozen or so "elite" teams in CFB year in and year out. Hines is very good in run support and tackling, but he's not great in coverage. Chekwa has been burnt so many times over the course of his career that I don't think I can count that high. I like young guys like Howard and Barnett before he was injured, but I'm not sure they have the experience to consistently keep a QB like Mallett down all game.

I guess the 115 teams behind us in passing yards allowed per game and passing yards against efficiency must be screwed. I think we are prisoners of high expectations and fail to look at other schools around the nation.
Dec 23, 2010 10:05pm
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Dec 23, 2010 10:06 PM
just because their numbers say that they're one of the Top 5 pass defenses in the nation doesn't mean its actually true. Aside from Purdue, who has OSU really played that throws the football all that much?
Dec 23, 2010 10:06pm
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Dec 23, 2010 10:16 PM
darbypitcher22;612206 wrote:just because their numbers say that they're one of the Top 5 pass defenses in the nation doesn't mean its actually true. Aside from Purdue, who has OSU really played that throws the football all that much?

It should be a fun Sugar Bowl right? If I am wrong, I assure you I will acknowledge it :)
Dec 23, 2010 10:16pm
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Dec 23, 2010 10:24 PM
With as well as Mallet throws the ball, it should be a pretty miserable evening for us if we can't get to him with the front 7
Dec 23, 2010 10:24pm
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Dec 23, 2010 10:32 PM
A.
Dec 23, 2010 10:32pm
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Dec 23, 2010 10:37 PM
darbypitcher22;612206 wrote:just because their numbers say that they're one of the Top 5 pass defenses in the nation doesn't mean its actually true. Aside from Purdue, who has OSU really played that throws the football all that much?

Just for the record, they have played teams with the 15th, 35th, 43rd, and 44th passing YPG so point well taken. However, I still don't think they are that bad. As for your point about Mallet receiving all day to throw the ball, unless the QB is just awful, a pass rush is an important part of a passing defense. 2nd in the nation in YPG allowed and 3rd in scoring defense isn't too shabby though.
Dec 23, 2010 10:37pm
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Dec 23, 2010 10:48 PM
But haven't been able to generate a pass rush worth a crap...
Dec 23, 2010 10:48pm
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Dec 23, 2010 11:04 PM
queencitybuckeye;611961 wrote:The punishment is already at harsh arguably into overkill. No need to self-inflict more damage - A.
Mulva;611965 wrote:Definitely A.

Why would I rather see the entire team lose a heart breaker because 5 dumbasses fucked up and the NCAA doesn't know what it's doing?

A. From the press conference, sounded like Tress and Gene Smith lobbied pretty hard for the 5 to be able to play in the bowl game. I didn't sense any of the "Can't wait to get these @%*$ out of here". I think it would be difficult to kick 5 guys to the curb whom you've coached and gone to battle with for three years, for something they did two years ago. This isn't Ray Small here.
HeathAlum21;612204 wrote:I guess the 115 teams behind us in passing yards allowed per game and passing yards against efficiency must be screwed. I think we are prisoners of high expectations and fail to look at other schools around the nation.

This. Plus aren't we in the top 5 in INT's this year, and maybe last year as well?
Dec 23, 2010 11:04pm
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Dec 23, 2010 11:10 PM
B. Win with integrity and with people who value team and accomplishments more than they value themselves.

I've said it before, allowing these guys to start would send a bad message. Take your medicine and move on.

I'm actually a little shocked they are appealing though. To me that suggests that we will see the 5 guys miss a quarter or two and then come in for the rest of the game.
Dec 23, 2010 11:10pm
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Dec 23, 2010 11:32 PM
I really hope that Tress takes a stand
Dec 23, 2010 11:32pm
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Dec 23, 2010 11:47 PM
jhay78;612281 wrote:
This. Plus aren't we in the top 5 in INT's this year, and maybe last year as well?
OSU is T-2nd in the nation in TO margin at +14
Dec 23, 2010 11:47pm
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Dec 24, 2010 2:07 AM
Definately B, BUT the NCAA has to get its shit together......uphold your fricking rules with consistency to all players and programs! They are not helping the matter with every different ruling they come up with.

The win wouldn't mean anything, and it makes us look bad if we do play them. I believe Tressel will sit them all for the game to prove a point and to cover his behind for any comments directed at him.

I am over the Pryor era......Let's all just move on without him, can anyone say Braxton Miller?
Dec 24, 2010 2:07am
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Dec 24, 2010 7:09 AM
OrrvilleQB;612397 wrote:Definately B, BUT the NCAA has to get its shit together......uphold your fricking rules with consistency to all players and programs! They are not helping the matter with every different ruling they come up with.

The win wouldn't mean anything, and it makes us look bad if we do play them. I believe Tressel will sit them all for the game to prove a point and to cover his behind for any comments directed at him.

I am over the Pryor era......Let's all just move on without him, can anyone say Braxton Miller?
Mehopes you're right but Tre$$el is also seeing the dollar signs. If he gets a BCS win he collects a "few" more bonus bucks. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but he'll receive $200,000 for a "W." To be honest I'd struggle with that one myself..."Let's see, do I send a moral message to the team or do I cash the check?"

Which one would you choose??
Dec 24, 2010 7:09am
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Dec 24, 2010 8:09 AM
The should sit.
Dec 24, 2010 8:09am
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Dec 24, 2010 9:52 AM
believer;612415 wrote:Mehopes you're right but Tre$$el is also seeing the dollar signs. If he gets a BCS win he collects a "few" more bonus bucks. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but he'll receive $200,000 for a "W." To be honest I'd struggle with that one myself..."Let's see, do I send a moral message to the team or do I cash the check?"

Which one would you choose??

Considering he's already wealthy beyond likely he ever dreamt, and doesn't need the money hopefully he's smart enough to do the right thing. If $200,000 is the correct number, with earned income after taxes that's closer to $120,000. For someone with a multi-million dollar contract one would hope the figure is negligible.
Dec 24, 2010 9:52am
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Dec 24, 2010 9:52 AM
vball10set;611966 wrote:B without a doubt....I would hate a tainted (as far as I'm concerned) win much more than a loss with integrity.

It's already tainted if they do play in the bowl game. If what they did was wrong enough to get suspended five games next season then it certainly warrants being suspended right away.
Dec 24, 2010 9:52am
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Dec 24, 2010 10:21 AM
believer;612415 wrote:"Let's see, do I send a moral message to the team or do I cash the check?"

Which one would you choose??

I struggle to see the moral message here.

Ohio State self imposed a bowl game suspension and a 1 game suspension last year (I read). The NCAA came in and gave a harsher penalty, but a penalty nonetheless.

Is it supposedly high morals for sitting someone when the idiotic NCAA ruled them eligible? No, at least I don't think so.
Dec 24, 2010 10:21am
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Dec 24, 2010 11:06 AM
Here is the issue, and it was brought up by Tress and Smith. Is it fair to the rest of the team to put them in a very bad situation going into this bowl game, which happens to be a reward for a very good season? Why punish 100 others for what 5 guys did. I certainly understand this. Lets be honest, without those 4 players, OSU stands VERY little chance of staying within 2 TD's of Ark, quite possibly even getting completely embarressed.
Now, could Tressl send a message to the rest of the team by sitting these guys? Sure he could. But again, the rest of the team didn't do anything. If they aren't bright enough to learn from what is going on now, they never will learn.
Not sure how i feel about them playing or not playing. But I certainly do understand the issue of not punishing the rest of the team.

Again, I don't agree at all with what these players did, they knew better. BUT again, they sold items that were THEIRS. Its not a crime. They weren't involved with agents or boosters. Lets not make this bigger than what it is. ESPN and everyone else has already made this a huge issue. Seriously, I am not sure the Cam Newton or Greene issue got more attention over the course of the past 24hrs then this. Its ridiculous to be honest.
Dec 24, 2010 11:06am
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Dec 24, 2010 11:11 AM
It's not fair to punish all of them, but guess what life ain't fucking fair. It's a bullshit reason that throws a blanket over the root cause which is lost revenue. Should be suspended for the bowl game, period. It shouldn't even be up the Tressel.
Dec 24, 2010 11:11am
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Dec 24, 2010 11:15 AM
Honestly, B. I want nothing to do with them.
Remember at the end of 2004, Troy sat the Alamo bowl for basically, I would sort of the same thing. Taking money or getting money from a booster or obtaining finical gain.
Dec 24, 2010 11:15am
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Dec 24, 2010 11:24 AM
ytownfootball;612559 wrote:It's not fair to punish all of them, but guess what life ain't fucking fair. It's a bullshit reason that throws a blanket over the root cause which is lost revenue. Should be suspended for the bowl game, period. It shouldn't even be up the Tressel.

You're absolutely right, they should be suspended.

But they're not, because the NCAA is (insert any synonym for mentally challenged). So how can it be a reflection of "morals" on Tressel if he plays guys that his governing body ruled eligible? I just don't see it. The NCAA made their decision (albeit the wrong one) and it benefits OSU for the bowl game. Whatever.
Dec 24, 2010 11:24am
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Dec 24, 2010 11:26 AM
ytownfootball;612559 wrote:It's not fair to punish all of them, but guess what life ain't fucking fair. It's a bullshit reason that throws a blanket over the root cause which is lost revenue. Should be suspended for the bowl game, period. It shouldn't even be up the Tressel.

I don't disagree with you. But you have to look thru the eyes of the coach. Who has to have the betterment of the "whole" over the individual in mind is many situations.
Dec 24, 2010 11:26am
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Dec 24, 2010 12:01 PM
centralbucksfan;612556 wrote:Here is the issue, and it was brought up by Tress and Smith. Is it fair to the rest of the team to put them in a very bad situation going into this bowl game, which happens to be a reward for a very good season? Why punish 100 others for what 5 guys did. I certainly understand this. Lets be honest, without those 4 players, OSU stands VERY little chance of staying within 2 TD's of Ark, quite possibly even getting completely embarressed.
Now, could Tressl send a message to the rest of the team by sitting these guys? Sure he could. But again, the rest of the team didn't do anything. If they aren't bright enough to learn from what is going on now, they never will learn.
Not sure how i feel about them playing or not playing. But I certainly do understand the issue of not punishing the rest of the team.

Again, I don't agree at all with what these players did, they knew better. BUT again, they sold items that were THEIRS. Its not a crime. They weren't involved with agents or boosters. Lets not make this bigger than what it is. ESPN and everyone else has already made this a huge issue. Seriously, I am not sure the Cam Newton or Greene issue got more attention over the course of the past 24hrs then this. Its ridiculous to be honest.

1) It is a big issue. It isn't a crime but it's the first thing compliance departments tell athletes. You do this - you risk not being able to play.

2) I don't buy the "well it hurts other players" argument. What if it were crimes these guys committed? No one here would seriously argue that they should be out on bail and be able to play because other players who didn't commit the crimes would be affected.

3) Gene Smith should be fired. He's effed this up as much as an AD could. You take a high profile and VERY well compensated position, you are accountable. Either he's a major league liar about their compliance department's process or he's incompetent because if he's telling the truth he can't manage the program. Either way, he messed up in his position.

Ohio St. is a laughingstock right now. Rationalizing bad behavior doesn't help anyone. Take the medicine and fix the disease.
Dec 24, 2010 12:01pm