You cannot have equalization through sepration yet blacks continue to seperate themselves from the human race. BET, Mrs Black America, Mrs. Black Colorado, United Nword college fund. etc..

Wow, being an ex official of HS wrestling, which is a lot more of a contact sport....WOW....that kid should never be allowed on a court again in high school. He best play some AAU ball and hope a college looks at him.

You get good calls, you get bad calls...its LIFE.... you best learn its life at a young age!

HeathAlum21;602613 wrote:Wrong. Do some research before you make assumptions.

You provide no rebuttal.

HeathAlum21;602621 wrote:Also, I have noticed both repliers have picked on little tiny side notes from my posts and have yet to address the main points in the post. What about institutional racism, etc? I suppose that's a tactic you could use, but it really won't win you many points. That's an old move as far as discussion goes.

What does institutional racism include, and what are some examples? Also, I don't see you specifically refuting, arguing anything, but just generalizing. Write your book, because simply listing what other authors have written does not drive home your point.

This thread is heading nowhere.

HeathAlum21;602621 wrote:Also, I have noticed both repliers have picked on little tiny side notes from my posts and have yet to address the main points in the post. What about institutional racism, etc? I suppose that's a tactic you could use, but it really won't win you many points. That's an old move as far as discussion goes.

Heath, you are obviously passionate about this subject, which is good, but I have yet to see any particular suggestions or ideas about solutions from you. It truly sounds like you are reading from Jesse Jackson's or Al Sharpton's talking points. If you truly are this passionate then you must have some ideas on what can be done and how we can get to a non-racist society (which, is an impossibility). I'm not bashing you at all, but let's hear your ideas.

hilliardfan;602762 wrote:Heath, you are obviously passionate about this subject, which is good, but I have yet to see any particular suggestions or ideas about solutions from you. It truly sounds like you are reading from Jesse Jackson's or Al Sharpton's talking points. If you truly are this passionate then you must have some ideas on what can be done and how we can get to a non-racist society (which, is an impossibility). I'm not bashing you at all, but let's hear your ideas.

He's had a suggestion... read books about it!

ernest_t_bass;602728 wrote:You provide no rebuttal.

Here is an article about White Privilege, since you are apparently unable to do any research on your own.

http://www.nymbp.org/reference/WhitePrivilege.pdf

Heath - Provide us with your OWN INSIGHT. You pointing me to read something that isn't in YOUR OWN WORDS does not give me YOUR POINT OF VIEW.

hilliardfan;602762 wrote:Heath, you are obviously passionate about this subject, which is good, but I have yet to see any particular suggestions or ideas about solutions from you. It truly sounds like you are reading from Jesse Jackson's or Al Sharpton's talking points. If you truly are this passionate then you must have some ideas on what can be done and how we can get to a non-racist society (which, is an impossibility). I'm not bashing you at all, but let's hear your ideas.

At least you are open to what I am saying. If there was a set plan, I think we would probably be following it. It's not as simple as something like providing reparations, etc. The first step is recognizing that there is inequality that exists in my opinion. In this thread, you have seen that there is allegedly no problem. Then, when you try to provide programs such as say an affirmative action, it is labeled as unfair because individuals of color receive a "higher weight" than those of a Caucasian decent. However, what people fail to recognize is that people of color are daily at a disadvantage because they don't have the resources that others have. Even when a small action like this is taken to attempt to 'even the field', people don't understand or accept that there are still inequalities. Therefore, education and acceptance is the first step.

ernest_t_bass;602894 wrote:Heath - Provide us with your OWN INSIGHT. You pointing me to read something that isn't in YOUR OWN WORDS does not give me YOUR POINT OF VIEW.

Why? You asked what white privilege is and I provided you an article stating what white privilege is. I cannot state it anymore clearly. You have already stated you thought white privilege is affirmative action, which is what I was saying is wrong.

WebFire;602756 wrote:This thread is heading nowhere.

holy shit, Webbie--I AGREE WITH YOU!!!

I am reading this article. After reading a few things, I can already think about the opposite, where a white person would not feel "welcome" in a black setting. I understand the topic and the article, but it is a two way street. It happens on both ends of the spectrum. Yes, there IS white privilege, among other whites, and that will always exist. But there is ALSO black privilege, among other blacks. Black have the opportunity to do certain things that whites can't, etc., just by purely labeling them "Black." BET, black schools/colleges, black organizations, etc. They are designed solely for blacks, and no one else.

What would be your (or anyone's) reaction if I created a group and said "whites only!"

That is the main issue I don't understand. It's OK to take things away from the "whites" but not the "blacks."

HeathAlum21;602900 wrote:Why? You asked what white privilege is and I provided you an article stating what white privilege is. I cannot state it anymore clearly. You have already stated you thought white privilege is affirmative action, which is what I was saying is wrong.

All
I
Want
Is
Your
Point
Of
View
And
Your
Thoughts

Not an article.

HeathAlum21;602897 wrote: However, what people fail to recognize is that people of color are daily at a disadvantage because they don't have the resources that others have.

Will you admit there are many people who don't have the resources that others have, and not all of them are "people of color"?

HeathAlum21;602897 wrote:At least you are open to what I am saying. If there was a set plan, I think we would probably be following it. It's not as simple as something like providing reparations, etc. The first step is recognizing that there is inequality that exists in my opinion. In this thread, you have seen that there is allegedly no problem. Then, when you try to provide programs such as say an affirmative action, it is labeled as unfair because individuals of color receive a "higher weight" than those of a Caucasian decent. However, what people fail to recognize is that people of color are daily at a disadvantage because they don't have the resources that others have. Even when a small action like this is taken to attempt to 'even the field', people don't understand or accept that there are still inequalities. Therefore, education and acceptance is the first step.

My big issue with affirmative action is that you are purposely giving minorities the upper-hand, which purposely give whites the lesser-hand. It just seems contradictory.

I see it as, "let's fight discrimination with more discrimination." I can't see it from another angle, I guess. You can't take away from someone just to give to someone else. That is not equality.

"My big issue with affirmative action is that you are purposely giving minorities the upper-hand, which purposely give whites the lesser-hand. It just seems contradictory. "

Perhaps another issue is that instead of giving minorities an upper-hand, it just sets them up to fail. I think Fan From Texas or someone else posted an article by a law professor re how levels upon levels of AA just puts recipients at a disadvantage because they ultimately have to compete against those that have achieved the same level on merit - and in the private sector it truly is a rat race.

I'm fine with AA in college admissions, I can see how someone from a poor, ineffective school district should be given a chance to excel in a welcoming environment - but after 4 years of that and growing into adulthood, that's as far as it should go.

Back to the original subject; player may be facing charges:
http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/High-school-basketball-player-may-face-charges-for-attacking-referee-121510

Fab1b;602933 wrote:Back to the original subject; player may be facing charges:
http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/High-school-basketball-player-may-face-charges-for-attacking-referee-121510

Way to try to stay on topic....

Fab1b;602933 wrote:Back to the original subject; player may be facing charges:
http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/High-school-basketball-player-may-face-charges-for-attacking-referee-121510

thanks for rescuing this thread, Fab--it really got crazy!!!

ernest_t_bass;602902 wrote:I am reading this article. After reading a few things, I can already think about the opposite, where a white person would not feel "welcome" in a black setting. I understand the topic and the article, but it is a two way street. It happens on both ends of the spectrum. Yes, there IS white privilege, among other whites, and that will always exist. But there is ALSO black privilege, among other blacks. Black have the opportunity to do certain things that whites can't, etc., just by purely labeling them "Black." BET, black schools/colleges, black organizations, etc. They are designed solely for blacks, and no one else.

What would be your (or anyone's) reaction if I created a group and said "whites only!"

That is the main issue I don't understand. It's OK to take things away from the "whites" but not the "blacks."

These groups etc etc are NECESSARY because inequality has and still exists. Take the United Negros College Fund. If this didn't exist, the trend of Blacks in poverty would continue to spin even more than it already does. FatHobbit asked if I will admit that it's not just Blacks that are in poverty. OF COURSE! But look at the percentages of Blacks in poverty, which leads to the prison numbers discussed earlier in this thread. The prison is a roaring industrial complex that makes billions and billions of dollars per year. It's big business.

In regards to your, "well whites would feel uncomfortable in an all black setting", I have a few responses. Blacks are always uncomfortable because they are such a minority. What do they see in popular culture? How do you think it feels when an African American DOES accomplish financial success. He is the anomaly and it is seen as he/she transcending his/her blackness to work the system and become successful. Walking down the street, I would say 75 percent of white people would at least become more tense in the presence of a black person that doesn't 'appear white' because of how they are portrayed in society. Of course White people will feel uncomfortable surrounded by Blacks because of how they are portrayed, which subliminally or not has an effect on even those that swear up and down they are not racist.

ernest_t_bass;602904 wrote:All
I
Want
Is
Your
Point
Of
View
And
Your
Thoughts

Not an article.

I fail to see how the works of others are not relevant to the subject. Just because I said it does not make it any less valid. Sorry Fab, this will be my last post on the subject, as not to hijack the thread any further.

Heath, I understand, I really do. I'll admit all day that racism still exists, but it does not exist from me and my family. Racism is everywhere, and it is not just white on black. Profiling is everywhere, and it is just not whites profiling blacks. Discrimination is everywhere, and it is not just whites discriminating against blacks.

Heathalum, I think you need to have several more years of life experiences, then come back and tell us how passionate you are on equality. It's too easy to be be a fresh faced college kid ready to change the world before you have lived reality.

I'm gonna stir the hornets nest up here; because IMHO the only African-Americans there are are the people who claim dual citizenship. If you're born and raised here, you're just American, that's all. Everybody has heritage and that's fine, but you're either just American or you're not - excepting dual-citizenships.

I know, I know, I'm racist lol