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Dec 13, 2010 11:37 AM
Manhattan Buckeye;599082 wrote:The same manner, duh?

To the extent I'm in a professional setting and I'm not wearing a collared shirt, I sure as shit am not wearing anything with a logo on it.

Explain to me, SERIOUSLY, why wearing a jersey is any different that a t-shirt that says "Property of Cincinnati Reds". Explain it.

You are getting way too defensive. A t shirt can be worn anywhere, a jersey is very specific to a game setting. If you don't see a difference fine, but I would think a majority of people would.
Dec 13, 2010 11:37am
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Dec 13, 2010 11:41 AM
Here is an article I found discussing said topic (I remember someone from ESPN doing a piece on fan behavior and the guys that wear jerseys, I think it was Bill Simmons, but I can't find it not):

http://www.danshanoff.com/2010/05/should-adults-wear-sports-jerseys.html
Dec 13, 2010 11:41am
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Dec 13, 2010 11:43 AM
For me not getting your argument, or lack thereof. After all, we agree.

"I don't know that wearing a jersey is any different than wearing a shirt that says "Property Of Cincinnati Reds". "

It isn't any different. Someone wearing a t-shirt or sweater or sweatshirt with an OSU logo at an OSU game on it is no different than one wearing a #45 jersey. Just like someone at a Reds game with a "Property of Cincinnati Reds" t-shirt is no different than one with a Pete Rose historical jersey.

Sure, one can wear a sweatshirt to work....from J. Crew, or LL Bean or some other place...it isn't appropriate to have one with a sports logo on it.

TheDynasty was polite enough to explain why he doesn't like sports jerseys, it appears that to some that they represent a lack of accomplishment in one's own sports career. It is an understandable argument, I just disagree.
Dec 13, 2010 11:43am
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Dec 13, 2010 11:48 AM
thedynasty1998;599097 wrote:Here is an article I found discussing said topic (I remember someone from ESPN doing a piece on fan behavior and the guys that wear jerseys, I think it was Bill Simmons, but I can't find it not):

http://www.danshanoff.com/2010/05/should-adults-wear-sports-jerseys.html
Fair enough, but has anyone been to an NFL game recently? In which stadium will you NOT see jerseys? - and in some stadiums you look foolish if you aren't wearing them.
Dec 13, 2010 11:48am
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Dec 13, 2010 11:48 AM
I'm not sure I have an argument so it's not surprising you don't get it.

The Dynasty may have explained why he doesn't like sports jerseys yet I have never stated that I take that position. I don't know if I like them or don't.

My only definitive comment was that I don't understand the appeal. I don't get it.
Dec 13, 2010 11:48am
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Dec 13, 2010 11:48 AM
Manhattan Buckeye;599102 wrote:For me not getting your argument, or lack thereof. After all, we agree.

"I don't know that wearing a jersey is any different than wearing a shirt that says "Property Of Cincinnati Reds". "

It isn't any different. Someone wearing a t-shirt or sweater or sweatshirt with an OSU logo at an OSU game on it is no different than one wearing a #45 jersey. Just like someone at a Reds game with a "Property of Cincinnati Reds" t-shirt is no different than one with a Pete Rose historical jersey.

Sure, one can wear a sweatshirt to work....from J. Crew, or LL Bean or some other place...it isn't appropriate to have one with a sports logo on it.

TheDynasty was polite enough to explain why he doesn't like sports jerseys, it appears that to some that they represent a lack of accomplishment in one's own sports career. It is an understandable argument, I just disagree.

Like I said originally, I know there is a market for it and it is obviously widely accepted, but I personally will not wear a jersey. With that said, I don't have a problem with those who do.

However, I do think there is a huge difference from wearing a shirt/sweatshirt to wearing a jersey.
Dec 13, 2010 11:48am
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Dec 13, 2010 11:49 AM
Manhattan Buckeye;599030 wrote:"Did I read that Southern fans leave the jersey wearing to the players?"

Yes,

1) Arkansas isn't the South, one of the dumbest parts of the article.

2) You are correct that Florida probably leads the country in "jersey wearing", for better or for worse. #15 might as well be pre-requisite for getting into the Swamp. Tennessee has their fair share of jersey people. It is only the few crowds that stick with the formal wear (Ole Miss, Auburn to some degree) that don't partake. I still don't get the misunderstanding, so one wears a team sweatshirt - are they trying to be the coach?

Did you just say that Arkansas isn't in the South and then refer to Tennessee as being a southern school? In case you haven't looked at a map recently Arkansas is in the South. It's below the Mason-Dixon Line, it's due west of Tennessee and it's northern boarder is even with that of Tennessee, and it extended much father south than Tennessee does. Arkansas is most definitely the South.
Dec 13, 2010 11:49am
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Dec 13, 2010 11:50 AM
Manhattan Buckeye;599108 wrote:Fair enough, but has anyone been to an NFL game recently? In which stadium will you NOT see jerseys? - and in some stadiums you look foolish if you aren't wearing them.


No one has suggested that there are not a lot of people wearing them. I think most everyone would concede that it's a very common practice....well, except maybe the Razorback fans.

I certainly hope, however, that people don't choose to wear them simply because others do in a stadium. That would scream lack of self confidence and a need to fit in. I hope the people who wear them do so because it's they personally like them and it's what they want to wear.
Dec 13, 2010 11:50am
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Dec 13, 2010 11:51 AM
krambman;599113 wrote:Did you just say that Arkansas isn't in the South and then refer to Tennessee as being a southern school? In case you haven't looked at a map recently Arkansas is in the South. It's below the Mason-Dixon Line, it's due west of Tennessee and it's northern boarder is even with that of Tennessee, and it extended much father south than Tennessee does. Arkansas is most definitely the South.

I think he was making fun of the article.
Dec 13, 2010 11:51am
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Dec 13, 2010 11:52 AM
krambman;599113 wrote:Did you just say that Arkansas isn't in the South and then refer to Tennessee as being a southern school? In case you haven't looked at a map recently Arkansas is in the South. It's below the Mason-Dixon Line, it's due west of Tennessee and it's northern boarder is even with that of Tennessee, and it extended much father south than Tennessee does. Arkansas is most definitely the South.

Ask someone from Alabama or Georgia if they consider Tennessee or Arkansas more south. I'll await your response!
Dec 13, 2010 11:52am
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Dec 13, 2010 11:53 AM
...maybe more South but still in the South.
Dec 13, 2010 11:53am
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Dec 13, 2010 1:26 PM
I have to agree with Manhattan on this one. Most diehard SEC fans have never accepted Arky-saw as one of their own. They are on the wrong side of the Mississippi thus making them "westerners".
Dec 13, 2010 1:26pm
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Dec 13, 2010 1:59 PM
I don't have a problem with people wearing their teams jersey, but only on gameday. Other team related apparel is good to go on any day.

Also, you should probably never own a basketball jersey if you're over the age of 10. I don't know why I dislike 'em, they just seem tacky to me.
Dec 13, 2010 1:59pm
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Dec 13, 2010 4:06 PM
Well, Arkansas does beat OSU in one category. Arkansas is the 37th druggiest campus. OSU failed to make the top 50.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/galleries/2427/1/
Dec 13, 2010 4:06pm
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Dec 13, 2010 4:13 PM
Con_Alma;599126 wrote:...maybe more South but still in the South.

Exactly.
Tiernan;599337 wrote:I have to agree with Manhattan on this one. Most diehard SEC fans have never accepted Arky-saw as one of their own. They are on the wrong side of the Mississippi thus making them "westerners".

SEC fans may not fully accept them but that probably has a lot to do with the fact that they weren't an original member of the conference. And they are "westerners" compared to the rest of the SEC, in fact, they joined the Southeastern Conference after leaving the Southwestern Conference. The point wasn't weather they are "eastern" or "western," the point is that they are most definitely in the South. Besides, Manhattan never said that Arkansas isn't part of the South in other southerner's opinion, he just said that it "isn't the South," and it definitely is.
Dec 13, 2010 4:13pm
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Dec 13, 2010 4:19 PM
"Manhattan never said that Arkansas isn't part of the South in other southerner's opinion, he just said that it "isn't the South," and it definitely is."

Again ask someone in Georgia or Alabama, and BTW thanks for forgetting your own point about Tennsessee, which you were called out on.
Dec 13, 2010 4:19pm
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Dec 13, 2010 5:07 PM
Manhattan Buckeye;599599 wrote:"Manhattan never said that Arkansas isn't part of the South in other southerner's opinion, he just said that it "isn't the South," and it definitely is."

Again ask someone in Georgia or Alabama, and BTW thanks for forgetting your own point about Tennsessee, which you were called out on.

How did I forget about my own point about Tennessee and how was I called out on it? I never said that Tennessee wasn't in the South (it is). I used Tennessee as an example to show that if it's in the South then Arkansas (it's neighbor that it shares it's northern boarder with) is also in the South. I didn't really feel that it was necessary to bring that up again. And again, you never said "in the opinion of people from Georgia or Alabama," you just made a blanket statement that Arkansas isn't in the South, when in fact it most definitely is. For the third time, I believe that you have been called out. And for Pete's sake, learn to use the quote button!
Dec 13, 2010 5:07pm
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Dec 13, 2010 5:11 PM
Manhattan Buckeye;599599 wrote:"Manhattan never said that Arkansas isn't part of the South in other southerner's opinion, he just said that it "isn't the South," and it definitely is."

Again ask someone in Georgia or Alabama, and BTW thanks for forgetting your own point about Tennsessee, which you were called out on.

Ok, I live in Alabama so I asked some friends from here what they thought and they said this "Yes it is part of the South but it is not considered part of the Deep South."
Dec 13, 2010 5:11pm
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Dec 13, 2010 5:14 PM
I've got a couple jerseys and they are strictly reserved for game days only.

It's a tradition, part of the ritual. If said ritual is not carried out as required, dire consequences result.

I've got socks and a Woody hat that are also part of the ritual. (Woody is non-game-day optional)

I enjoy the quirkiness of the whole thing. We laugh and joke about it amongst my fellow viewers, it's part of the fun.
Dec 13, 2010 5:14pm
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Dec 13, 2010 5:48 PM
I've lived in Arkansas for the past 6 years or so, and yes - it is the South. Every stereotype you can think of about southerners, Ark fits in. They talk like morons, they are stuck in the past, and their women are beautiful.
Dec 13, 2010 5:48pm
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Dec 13, 2010 5:48 PM
FYI, SEC fans "generally" get dressed up for football games how ever, I don't see a problem with wearing a jersey.
Dec 13, 2010 5:48pm
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Dec 13, 2010 5:58 PM
rock_knutne;599699 wrote:FYI, SEC fans "generally" get dressed up for football games how ever, I don't see a problem with wearing a jersey.

Dressing up?

Ole Miss - yes
Auburn - yes
Vanderbilt - yes

Alabama, to a degree
Georgia, to a degree
South Carolina, to a degree
Mississippi St., if they aren't bringing cowbells - to a degree

LSU, no (too drunk)
Florida, no (too hot)
Tennessee, no
Kentucky, God no
Arkansas, no
Dec 13, 2010 5:58pm
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Dec 13, 2010 6:09 PM
rock_knutne;599699 wrote:FYI, SEC fans "generally" get dressed up for football games how ever, I don't see a problem with wearing a jersey.

Why do southerners dress up for games? I've never understood. It's not singles' hour, it's a football game.
Dec 13, 2010 6:09pm
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Dec 13, 2010 6:21 PM
dtdtim;599724 wrote:Why do southerners dress up for games? I've never understood. It's not singles' hour, it's a football game.

At Vandy and Ole Miss, it actually is singles' hour, a lot of the students don't show up until halftime, if at all. At other schools the whole dressing up bit is more legend than reality.

You are likely to see more UF students wearing a jersey rather than a tie.
Dec 13, 2010 6:21pm
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Dec 13, 2010 6:49 PM
Manhattan Buckeye;599709 wrote:Dressing up?

Ole Miss - yes
Auburn - yes
Vanderbilt - yes

Alabama, to a degree
Georgia, to a degree
South Carolina, to a degree
Mississippi St., if they aren't bringing cowbells - to a degree

LSU, no (too drunk)
Florida, no (too hot)
Tennessee, no
Kentucky, God no
Arkansas, no

They actually do get dressed up at just about every SEC school. Every game you go to will have your rowdies but in the South a lot of guys wear ties and a lot of girls will wear a dress. You ever been to the cocktail party.......the majority are dressed up.
Dec 13, 2010 6:49pm