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Dec 9, 2010 9:36 AM
WebFire;593747 wrote:This was discussed on another board and here is what one poster had to say.

LOL, on another board? Let me guess, a Michigan board? lol

As for #7 and dominating...maybe he isn't dominating from a stat standpoint...but the guy is freaking 30-4 as a starter. How many QB's in the country have a career record like this?
Dec 9, 2010 9:36am
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Dec 9, 2010 9:37 AM
centralbucksfan;593766 wrote:I would agree with this somewhat. In the open field, the guy can flat out run and has a great stiff arm. As far as being elusive, no he isn't that great. But there is no question, he can fun as well as anyone in a straight line. He is rarely ever run down in open field unless someone has a great angle on him.

I agree. Once he gets past the defense he doesn't get caught. But he is not elusive, doesn't cut well, and his vision isn't that good, IMO.
Dec 9, 2010 9:37am
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Dec 9, 2010 9:38 AM
OneBuckeye;593755 wrote:He is not, but he is not coached to be one either. I recall RR having to convince Drob that he is that fast and he is capable of doing certain things in the run game maybe drob didn't think was possible. If Pryor went to UM and was coached to be that style of player there is no doubt he would be a better runner than he is now. How good is up for debate.

You might have a point, but like I said, I don't think his natural running style is that of DR of Newton.
Dec 9, 2010 9:38am
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Dec 9, 2010 9:41 AM
All three of those guys have differing running styles, not one could really be touted as better than the other. Newton powers a little better than the other two, DRob is more elusive but fragile, TP is fast and hard to catch...all different.
Dec 9, 2010 9:41am
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Dec 9, 2010 10:17 AM
vs. wisconsin:
TP - 18 carries, 56 yards.


yeah, he lit the world on fire.
Dec 9, 2010 10:17am
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Dec 9, 2010 10:18 AM
The thing that bothers me about these comments is that he's criticizing his own team and coaches. If he were just to say that he thinks he could be just as successful in Auburn's or Michigan's offense that's fine, but why make comments about how you are limited in your offense? He came to Columbus because he said he wanted to become a true passing QB and he felt like the University of Ohio State was the place that could help him do that. If that's really what he wanted then he shouldn't complain about the fact that he only gets to run the ball a few times a game. This is the school and the system that he picked.
Dec 9, 2010 10:18am
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Dec 9, 2010 10:23 AM
Pryor sounds like an idiot with those statements.

First off, he isn't even close to being the runner that Newton is. Have some of you even watched Newton? He runs like a RB and always falls forward. Pryor looks fragile when he runs and always falls awkwardly. Yes, he is an effective runner, but for him to put himself in the same category as Robinson and Newton is absolutely ridiculous.

And yes, he's been a winner, but let's not give him too much credit for his overall record. He's beat one good team in his career, in Oregon. He really doesn't show up in big games. Bauserman could have been the starter this year and OSU probably only loses one more game (Iowa).

I like Pryor and think he's made huge strides since he arrived on campus, but from all accounts he's full of himself (not what I hear in the media, but from those who have interaction with him) and isn't all that realistic. I mean he came out and stated he was returning for his senior year. Who the hell thought he even had an option of going pro?
Dec 9, 2010 10:23am
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Dec 9, 2010 10:24 AM
ytownfootball;593775 wrote:All three of those guys have differing running styles, not one could really be touted as better than the other. Newton powers a little better than the other two, DRob is more elusive but fragile, TP is fast and hard to catch...all different.

Absolutely Newton and Robinson can be touted as better than Pryor, and it's not even close.
Dec 9, 2010 10:24am
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Dec 9, 2010 10:27 AM
krambman;593810 wrote:The thing that bothers me about these comments is that he's criticizing his own team and coaches. If he were just to say that he thinks he could be just as successful in Auburn's or Michigan's offense that's fine, but why make comments about how you are limited in your offense? He came to Columbus because he said he wanted to become a true passing QB and he felt like the University of Ohio State was the place that could help him do that. If that's really what he wanted then he shouldn't complain about the fact that he only gets to run the ball a few times a game. This is the school and the system that he picked.
Did you read the article?? He didn't criticize his team or coaches at all, he was simply stating what he thinks he is capable of in an offense like Auburn's or UM's. He never once said he wanted to play in an offense like that. The OP picked 1 quote out of an entire article to try to make TP look like a bad guy.
Dec 9, 2010 10:27am
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Dec 9, 2010 10:28 AM
OK, majority of people complain about Tressel's offense being too generic. Well Pryor states an obvious, if he was in Michigans or Auburns offense he would dominate. Obviously he wouldn't dominate to that extent but we all have to agree he would have much, much better numbers. Everyone complains about our offense and Pryor basically makes a statement saying he would have better numbers in different offenses and people jump on him. Not once is he putting his teammates down. If you need me to translate for you, since you translated it as putting his own teammates down. What he is saying, more open offense = bigger and better stats.
Dec 9, 2010 10:28am
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Dec 9, 2010 10:32 AM
krambman;593810 wrote:The thing that bothers me about these comments is that he's criticizing his own team and coaches. If he were just to say that he thinks he could be just as successful in Auburn's or Michigan's offense that's fine, but why make comments about how you are limited in your offense? He came to Columbus because he said he wanted to become a true passing QB and he felt like the University of Ohio State was the place that could help him do that. If that's really what he wanted then he shouldn't complain about the fact that he only gets to run the ball a few times a game. This is the school and the system that he picked.

It does, and he's not to my knowledge, ever been heard to do so. His comments were all about timing. The author/interviewer was lucky to catch him when he did point blank. If TP isn't fielding a call that he's not been mentioned in the All Big 10 none of this is spoken. He didn't have time to reflect that not only his performance wasn't worthy to voters, but those of his coach hasn't been for nine years. Given the opportunity to put that into perspective, he doesn't say what he did. The fact that he came to OSU to be a better pocket passer more suitable to the NFL doesn't change his desire to be respected by peers/coaches/writers. His emotions got the better of him, he responded, appears a little butthurt. Wish he would have come off a little more polished but given the context and knowing the kid is 20/21, I am able to understand.
Dec 9, 2010 10:32am
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Dec 9, 2010 10:35 AM
thedynasty1998;593815 wrote:Absolutely Newton and Robinson can be touted as better than Pryor, and it's not even close.

in your not so humble opine...can't even compare given the different systems, objectivity, ever heard of it?
Dec 9, 2010 10:35am
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Dec 9, 2010 10:38 AM
thedynasty1998;593812 wrote:And yes, he's been a winner, but let's not give him too much credit for his overall record. He's beat one good team in his career, in Oregon. He really doesn't show up in big games. Bauserman could have been the starter this year and OSU probably only loses one more game (Iowa).

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Please, I know your not that ignorant to actually believe this!! Bauserman is bad..OSU would have at least 3 losses with him at QB. No question
Dec 9, 2010 10:38am
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Dec 9, 2010 10:43 AM
centralbucksfan;593834 wrote:Please, I know your not that ignorant to actually believe this!! Bauserman is bad..OSU would have at least 3 losses with him at QB. No question

What other game do they lose? Seriously. Maybe Miami, but that is the only one. And Pryor did not play well in the Miami game.
Dec 9, 2010 10:43am
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Dec 9, 2010 10:45 AM
ytownfootball;593828 wrote:objectivity, ever heard of it?

Dec 9, 2010 10:45am
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Dec 9, 2010 10:46 AM
ytownfootball;593828 wrote:in your not so humble opine...can't even compare given the different systems, objectivity, ever heard of it?

You don't need to consider the system to be able to see what they are capable of. Have you seen Newton run? He's smooth. He runs hard. He can make guys miss. Pryor runs upright, is stiff and runs weak. That's not even a knock on him, he's a QB and takes advantage of the opportunities he's given. But we are talking about two QB's, in Newton and Robinson, who are just freaks that look more like RB's than QB's.
Dec 9, 2010 10:46am
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Dec 9, 2010 10:47 AM
thedynasty1998;593812 wrote:I like Pryor and think he's made huge strides since he arrived on campus, but from all accounts he's full of himself (not what I hear in the media, but from those who have interaction with him) and isn't all that realistic. I mean he came out and stated he was returning for his senior year. Who the hell thought he even had an option of going pro?

Full of himself? What freaking big time D1 QB isn't? At least he isn't jumping into the crowd and mugging the camera like Newton does!! Pryor is NO different then most big time division 1 players.
And if Troy Smith could go in round 5 of the draft, I have no question that Pryor would go earlier then that right now.
Dec 9, 2010 10:47am
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Dec 9, 2010 10:47 AM
thedynasty1998;593812 wrote:Pryor sounds like an idiot with those statements.

First off, he isn't even close to being the runner that Newton is. Have some of you even watched Newton? He runs like a RB and always falls forward. Pryor looks fragile when he runs and always falls awkwardly. Yes, he is an effective runner, but for him to put himself in the same category as Robinson and Newton is absolutely ridiculous.

And yes, he's been a winner, but let's not give him too much credit for his overall record. He's beat one good team in his career, in Oregon. He really doesn't show up in big games. Bauserman could have been the starter this year and OSU probably only loses one more game (Iowa).

I like Pryor and think he's made huge strides since he arrived on campus, but from all accounts he's full of himself (not what I hear in the media, but from those who have interaction with him) and isn't all that realistic. I mean he came out and stated he was returning for his senior year. Who the hell thought he even had an option of going pro?
Have you watched Bauserman play? I think OSU would lose more than just 1 more game if he had been the QB. Robinson is in my opinion by far the best runner of the 3 mentioned QBs, but he is also the most fragile (because of his size) Newton and Pryor are very much alike, if you put Cam in a scarlet #2 his and Pryor's throwing motion (mechanics or lack of) are almost identical. Pryor is correct in that OSU doesn't call many running plays for him and if he ran more he would be more effective as a runner and his running stats Yds/carry would look much better (now he runs only a few times and his negative (sack yardage) greatly reduces his totals in comparison to DR and CM who run much more. IMO they are all very effective QB's and any school would be lucky to have them, that being said this season Newton probably because of the success of his team had the best year and I agree maybe Terrelle should talk a little less until he has something to talk about. Arguing that he is better than Cam or Denard is kind of childsh and a waste of time. Pryor has improved greatly in his first 3 years but he was so overhyped coming in that he stood no chance of ever living up to the hype. If he continues to improve OSU may have a shot at a National Championship next season and he can silence all his critics with deeds instead of words.
Dec 9, 2010 10:47am
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Dec 9, 2010 10:49 AM
thedynasty1998;593837 wrote: And Pryor did not play well in the Miami game.

Over 300yds of total offense and didn't play well? Put JB behind center and defenses would have feasted in a flat out bad offense. 3 losses, maybe even 4. Iowa, Miami, Ill possibly, even PSU. Believe it or not, defenses had to prepare for Pryor as dual QB.
Dec 9, 2010 10:49am
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Dec 9, 2010 10:53 AM
dynasty, any game that Bauserman was on you can't count on as a win. Honest to Jesus the dude sucks balls. He doesn't have escapability, throws much worse than TP, and couldn't run for a first if his life depended on it. The Bucks would be at least sitting with three losses, Illinois, Iowa, Wiscy...
Dec 9, 2010 10:53am
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Dec 9, 2010 10:59 AM
Is what he said true? Maybe. Somewhat taken out of context? Possibly. Of course, one cannot take out of context what isn't said.

You're Terrelle Pryor at OSU. Like it or not, you need to be careful when you speak to the media. You know, like your head coach.

He says he's just worried about winning and while that might be true....his comments come across as being concerned about the pub that he isn't getting for individual achievements.

Not a huge deal but he should use a little better judgement when speaking to the press. He put his foot in his mouth with the whole "Vick" thing and got hammered for it. You would've figured he learned his lesson then. Tressel needs to sit him down and have a little talk with him again.
Dec 9, 2010 10:59am
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Dec 9, 2010 11:00 AM
centralbucksfan;593842 wrote:Full of himself? What freaking big time D1 QB isn't? At least he isn't jumping into the crowd and mugging the camera like Newton does!! Pryor is NO different then most big time division 1 players.
And if Troy Smith could go in round 5 of the draft, I have no question that Pryor would go earlier then that right now.

If Pryor beat the defending National Champs in a come from behind win and set his team up for a chance at a NC, I would absolutely expect Pryor to do the same thing. I think you are trying to paint Newman in a way that he's egotistical. Have you heard any of the comments from his coaches or teammates? How about analysts that have spoken to him? From all accounts he very humbled.

Pryor isn't different than most big time Division 1 players? You can't honestly believe that. Pryor has as big of an ego as anyone. Ask around to people that deal with him daily and they will tell you. He's not as well liked inside the locker room as many would like to believe.

Troy Smith was a traditional pocket passer with above average accuracy. The only thing that kept him out of the first round was his size. Pryor is FAR from Smith. Pryor does have more potential, but he better make huge improvements by the end of next year if he wants an NFL team to consider him.
Dec 9, 2010 11:00am
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Dec 9, 2010 11:03 AM
ytownfootball;593852 wrote:dynasty, any game that Bauserman was on you can't count on as a win. Honest to Jesus the dude sucks balls. He doesn't have escapability, throws much worse than TP, and couldn't run for a first if his life depended on it. The Bucks would be at least sitting with three losses, Illinois, Iowa, Wiscy...

I know he sucks. And I said they likely only have one more loss. Maybe it's Illinois, maybe it's Miami. But other than Iowa and Wisconsin, they are still the favorite in every game even with Bauserman.

I think Pryor is a good player, but I think he gets a little bit too much credit for his overall record. When you look at how superior OSU is to many teams on their schedule anyone would have an inflated record as QB. And then you look at what he has done in the games against top 25 teams and it's rather underwhelming.
Dec 9, 2010 11:03am
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Dec 9, 2010 11:20 AM
From the outside looking in.......this doesn't surprise me because Pryor is a attention hound. There wasn't a day that went by here in Pittsburgh that he wasn't mentioned on the radio when he was being recruited. He would call a presser just to announce he narrowed his choices and then he extended his decision beyond national signing day.
Dec 9, 2010 11:20am
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Dec 9, 2010 11:25 AM
Pryor does tend to go on a bit too much. I wish he'd be a bit more judicious in his comments in interviews and on Twitter (God, I hate that medium).

That said, Pryor doesn't run in Ohio State's offense like Robinson or Newton BECAUSE HE CHOSE TO COME TO A SCHOOL THAT IS TRAINING HIM TO BE MORE OF A PRO STYLE QB.

This is the type of offensive scheme HE wanted to be in, so he has a chance at being a QB at the next level.

I didn't read the article, but if I were him, this is exactly what I would have told the interviewer. I'd have said my long-range goals are to develop into a pro style passer, something those other two are not doing in the scheme of their offenses.

Do I think Pryor would be as effective in those offenses if he chose to do it? I actually do. Right now, he's playing as he's told: don't make mistakes (which I think has messed him up more than helped his development) and don't take unnecessary hits. This latter instruction has led to the more tentative way he runs with the ball.

If he truly put his mind to being a running QB in a running system, I have little doubt he'd be as good as anyone in the country. The athleticism is there.
Dec 9, 2010 11:25am