So, the Democrats are scrambling to some how pass the Dream Act before the new session of Congress when they will have absolutely no chance of it passing. This bill is nothing but a vote buy for the Democrats and does nothing to stop the flood of illegal immigrants entering this country. I really wish we could get actual immigration reform and border security but that's probably a pipe dream.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101208/ap_on_go_co/us_immigration_students

Obama's drive to enact the legislation and congressional Democrats' determination to vote on it before year's end reflect the party's efforts to satisfy Hispanic groups whose backing has been critical in elections and will be again in 2012.

I'm for immigration reform, but also for this for a few reasons.
1. If an immigrant decides to fight and die for our country, give them citizenship.
2. If they decide to pay for an education and contribute to our college education system with the intent to stay and contribute to our economy, give them citizenship.
3. It forces young immigrants to either serve in our military or obtain a college education thereby increasing our technical skills as a nation and contributing to the economy in the long run.

Nope. Sorry P-town but you're misguided and off base.

This bill is a total INSULT to the THOUSANDS of immigrants who have played by the rules and waited patiently to get legal entry into this country.

I don't care if they're willing to serve.

I don't care if they pluck down a few bucks for an education.

None of that negates how unfair this is to all those folks who are still waiting patiently, following all the legal steps, to become American citizens.

This bill is exactly what tk said it is: a quick attempt to buy a few extra Democrat votes, so they can point their finger and say how they are the party of immigration.

I'd rather have something fair and equitable to everyone -- and not something that screws over a lot of very good people who have done nothing more than play by the rules.

I don't see this as an attempt to buy votes.

I see it as something that makes sense.

It's perfectly fair.

I Wear Pants;593512 wrote:I don't see this as an attempt to buy votes.

I see it as something that makes sense.

It's perfectly fair.

It's perfectly fair for someone to come into this country illegally and be given preferential treatment over those people who wait years on lists and pay thousands in fees in the hopes of someday becoming an American citizen? These people would never be in the position to join the military or go to college without breaking the law in the first place. The habit of reward lawbreakers in this country has to stop. You don't set up a system to give illegals a way to become citizens with the borders wide open, that is just asking for the flood to increase exponentially.

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The end does not justify the means here.

There's also the issue of if a potential terrorist comes here and serves some time in the military or goes to school he can become a citizen and then get lost among the masses.

Dammit.....what part of ILLEGAL immigration does everyone not understand?

Giving amnesty for the purpose of buying votes is a slap in the face to the millions of LEGAL immigrants who sought refuge and citizenship in this great country in our storied past.

And this is in fact a lame effort by the Dems to build its voter base...no question in my mind about that one.

Simply because the Dems are tying "well they gotta serve in the military" clauses, etc. to this bullshit doesn't make it right.

How the hell does anyone ignore the fact that while tens of thousands of people from around the world each year enter this country legally for the purpose of applying for citizenship (and wait years to do so I might add), they are bypassed by the MILLIONS of Mexicans who ignore our immigration laws?

Now we want to reward them by putting them at the front of the immigration line?

My advice to legal immigrants is to enter Mexico, get Mexican citizenship first, and then cross the Rio Grande. It's a lot faster.

I Wear Pants;593512 wrote:I don't see this as an attempt to buy votes.

I see it as something that makes sense.

It's perfectly fair.

I don't see this as an attempt to be serious.

I see it as something that's meant to be funny.

It's perfectly an example of trolling!

There's also the issue of if a potential terrorist comes here and serves some time in the military or goes to school he can become a citizen and then get lost among the masses.

or worse, infiltrate the military.

If they decide to pay for an education and contribute to our college education system with the intent to stay and contribute to our economy, give them citizenship

to the rich goes citizenship?...doesn't sound very Democratic party like to me. LOL.... actually it does. The Democrats do NOTHING for the little guy unless it makes them dependent upon the party, and hence ensures their votes. I have posted this many times on this site ( as told to me from a former Democratic committeee man).
This "act" is more of the same.

Dream Act ….. This Dream Act would be like have a wet dream about Nancy Polius.

Illegal cost America over 100 Billion per year and now the Democrats want to reward illegal for their criminal action of entering this country illegally WTF. Does the term ILLEGAL have any meaning with politicians?
Democrat like to put the cart before the horse before any type of (Dream Act) action can be taken to make citizenship of illegal you need first to stop the flow and to decrease the present numbers of illegal. With this type of Dream Act mentality the increase in illegal’s into this country will double the economic burden of America. At 100 Billion per year slam on our economy local, state and federal governments can no longer carry the price tag for illegal corruption.

Do what the US Constitution states protect our boarders and secure America citizen for harm. Is that to much to of a Dream?

Breaking news on CNN.com.......the Dream Act is dead for 2010.

That means it's pretty much dead for the foreseeable future. No way the Dream Act passes the House when the Republicans take over the majority.

CenterBHSFan;593656 wrote:I don't see this as an attempt to be serious.

I see it as something that's meant to be funny.

It's perfectly an example of trolling!

I don't see how I was trolling.

I think that we should encourage people that want to become educated and productive to join our society and I also think that if someone is willing to fight for me that they deserve the same protections and benefits I get as a United States citizen. We need innovative and educated people to move here, live here, work here, invest here, become attached to the idea of living,working, and investing here.

I Wear Pants;594403 wrote:I don't see how I was trolling.

I think that we should encourage people that want to become educated and productive to join our society and I also think that if someone is willing to fight for me that they deserve the same protections and benefits I get as a United States citizen. We need innovative and educated people to move here, live here, work here, invest here, become attached to the idea of living,working, and investing here.

1. I was playin with ya. That's why I used all of your words, just twisting some.

2. So you think the illegals should have those rights before the people who respect this country enough to go through the correct process? Even the ones whose lives have been in danger just thinking about escaping their country? Do you not think that they are bright, intelligent, courageous people? Do you not think that some or alot of those folks might want to join our military?

Hypothetically, let's imagine that your a single guy, works hard, is engaged to become married. Bear with me.

If I broke into your house and moved some of my stuff into your living room and commenced to living there against your initial knowledge, without your welcome, ignoring your requests to knock on the door first? Would you think that was "alright" because I wanted to go to college?

What then if I decided to move my stuff into your bedroom and tried to make you act like there's nothing wrong with that? Would you think it was "OK" because I wanted to join the military?

What if I told you, as an aside, that I was never going to help you pay for your house, your electricty, water, oil/propane, etc?
That I was only going to buy whatever food that I alone wanted to eat? That I would buy a car that only I could drive, while living in my comfy arrangement? Would you think it was "just fine" because it was just easier than calling the cops?

What if I started to bring in some family member, or maybe 3 or 4 of my friends? Would you put me and my family/friends onto your insurance because ... well 3 of us are pregnant and 1 of us had the sniffles and we deserved to use your doctor?

What if I somehow found out a way to make you marry me, totally disregarding the fact that somebody else was already waiting to do that? What if I didn't care that your fiancee invested alot of her time into your relationship? What if I didn't give a damn that she's already spent thousands of dollars on a wedding dress? What if I laughed at the fact that she's already paid for the preacher and marriage liscence, and was just waiting for her "Big Day" to come?
Would what I was doing seem "fair" to you? Would it seem "fair" to her? How do you think that your hypothetical fiance would feel about what I'm doing?

What if you finally got the courage to call the cops in order to try and get me kicked out so that your significant other can finally get what she deserves and the cops told you it was too late?

What if the mayor of your town brought you into his office and told you to shut your mouth? That I and my family were just enough of the extra votes he needed to get him reelected for his job; and when he got reelected he would build a new homeless shelter, thanking me and my family and friends. Would you be angry at him?

Where is your girlfriends rights in all of this? I mean, here's this girl who has done everything right. She's respected you, thought about you, planned a future with you, spent money for her dream of spending the rest of her life with you, was counting down the days till she could make it official and move it with you - only to be told that somebody else forced their way in and took her place.

Is there justice in that? What sort of fairness? How about honor?

Good to see that JJ's Republican Convention forum made it over here.....

Seriously? Ptown nailed it. The only reason that anyone is against it is this:

1. Angry White Americans screaming the took are jobs! in that classic South Park style
2. Old white radio hosts and republicans who realized they can make lots of money and get lots of attention off of the people in group one.

For Christ's sake, lets actually get something done for America and pass this. It would be great for the country (yes it would, and you all know it). Even Mike Huckabee supports it.

George Lopez said it best:

If a immigrant takes your job.....you have a fucked up job

redfalcon;594561 wrote:Good to see that JJ's Republican Convention forum made it over here.....

Seriously? Ptown nailed it. The only reason that anyone is against it is this:

1. Angry White Americans screaming the took are jobs! in that classic South Park style
2. Old white radio hosts and republicans who realized they can make lots of money and get lots of attention off of the people in group one.

For Christ's sake, lets actually get something done for America and pass this. It would be great for the country (yes it would, and you all know it). Even Mike Huckabee supports it.

Complete nonsense and BULLSHIT. All we're asking is that Mexicans apply for U.S. citizenship legally as millions of immigrants have done before. In what way is rewarding people for breaking U.S. law "great for this country" besides millions of new Democrat votes???

redfalcon;594561 wrote:Good to see that JJ's Republican Convention forum made it over here.....

Seriously? Ptown nailed it. The only reason that anyone is against it is this:

1. Angry White Americans screaming the took are jobs! in that classic South Park style
2. Old white radio hosts and republicans who realized they can make lots of money and get lots of attention off of the people in group one.

For Christ's sake, lets actually get something done for America and pass this. It would be great for the country (yes it would, and you all know it). Even Mike Huckabee supports it.

1. Ptown didn't say any of those things in the way that you said it. Ptown said something that you agreed with and then you got carried away and tried to construe something that has no foundation of truth for most of us on this board (if not all of us).

2. I have no idea what an "are" job is, and probably wouldn't want it anyway. So what would I care if somebody took it?

3. I fit none of those categories, so again, this doesn't apply to all as you have stated it was.

4. I know none such of what you posted. None.

5. I don't give a damn what Mike Huckabee supports or does not support.

6. I would suggest you calm down, take some deep breaths, and come back later and make some rational thoughts. Then you might actually make some sense and supply some reasonable discussion.

CenterBHS - That was a well thought out post earlier about the people moving into a house and taking over. It makes complete sense, but it won't be seen that way by those supporting amnesty for all. I am surprised the Left/Dems didn't try somehow to get people to stop using the word, "illegal". Maybe they tried it on MSNBC and I missed it...easy to do since I never watch that POS "network".

believer;594609 wrote:Complete nonsense and BULLSHIT. All we're asking is that Mexicans apply for U.S. citizenship legally as millions of immigrants have done before. In what way is rewarding people for breaking U.S. law "great for this country" besides millions of new Democrat votes???

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Ty Webb;594566 wrote:George Lopez said it best:

If a immigrant takes your job.....you have a fucked up job

Which would be relevant if we were talking about immigrants. I don't see anybody contesting immigrants.

Center, your analogy was outstanding.

I really, really don't understand people backing this when THOUSANDS of people are waiting years to enter this country, following the rules, and doing it right.

Why should anyone be allowed to just jump over them in line? It's not FAIR, I don't give a damn what they've done or spent.

In fact, I find it laughable that liberals -- who HATE the idea that people can buy their way ahead in this country, would support a bill that basically lets someone buy their citizenship at the expense of someone who can't afford to do so, but has followed all the rules.

I'm very glad this is apparently dead, at least for now. Let's hope it never comes up again.

CenterBHSFan;594707 wrote:Which would be relevant if we were talking about immigrants. I don't see anybody contesting immigrants.

My bad...i meant illegal immigrants

Writerbuckeye;594708 wrote:Why should anyone be allowed to just jump over them in line? It's not FAIR, I don't give a damn what they've done or spent.

In fact, I find it laughable that liberals -- who HATE the idea that people can buy their way ahead in this country, would support a bill that basically lets someone buy their citizenship at the expense of someone who can't afford to do so, but has followed all the rules.

I know, right?!

Ty Webb;594718 wrote:My bad...i meant illegal immigrants

No prob.

But, that's still another discussion for another day, right? lol