I wonder how private schools fare around the country. Do private schools around the country win their state championships also? Any info would be great.

I don't even know what that means.

What do you mean by 'do"?

I think I heard one time that a private school somewhere won a state title once.

How about Kentucky
http://www.highschoolsports.net/sports/preps/football/2010-12-05-trinity-male-kentucky-championship_N.htm?csp=hss

riders1;590428 wrote:How about Kentucky
http://www.highschoolsports.net/sports/preps/football/2010-12-05-trinity-male-kentucky-championship_N.htm?csp=hss

I heard that Male high school is saying that Trinity needs to be in their own playoff system...

How many private schools does it take to screw public school?

holdingout;589899 wrote:I wonder how private schools fare around the country. Do private schools around the country win their state championships also? Any info would be great.

Let's look at USA Today's Top 25 teams:

1. Trinity (Texas) - Public - In the semi-finals
2. South Panola (Mississippi) - Public - State 6A Champion
3. Bingham (Utah) - Public - State 5A Champion
4. De La Salle (California) - Private - In Sectional Finals
5. St. Thomas Aquinas (Florida) - Private - In 5A semi-finals
6. Hamilton (Arizona) - Public - In 5A-I State Finals
7. Phoebus (Virginia) - Public - In 5A State Finals
8. Don Bosco Prep (New Jersey) - Private - Non-Public Group 4 Champion
9. Wheaton Warrensville South (Illinois) - Public - State 7A Champion
10. Manatee (Florida) - Public - In 5A semi-finals
11. Miami Central (Florida) - Public - In 6A semi-finals
12. Dr. Phillips (Florida) - Public - In state semi-finals
13. St. Ed (Ohio) - Private - D1 State Champion
14. West Monroe (Louisiana) - Public - In 5A State Final
15. Daphne (Alabama) - Public - 6A State Champions
16. Mullen (Colorado) - Private - 5A State Champions
17. Byrnes (South Carolina) - Public - 4A-I State Champions
18. Mission Viejo (California) - Public - In section final
19. Centennial (California) - Public - In section final
20. Fishers (Indiana) - Public - 5A State Champions
21. Pearland (Texas) - Public - In state semi-finals
22. La Salle (Pennsylvania) - Private - In state semi-finals
23. Servite (California) - Private - In PAC-5 final
24. Cocoa (Florida) - Public - In 2A State Title
25. Everett (Massachusetts) - Public - D1 State Champions

Funny, that the Texas separates their public and private and there's no debate as to which is the most followed, most important, and most revered in their state.

If the private schools were in their own division, or they left completely, I wouldn't care. I don't watch a HS game because of some big name star athlete on the team or how great the team participating is. I watch the game for the competition going on before my eyes. The two schools fighting back and forth. I've watched horrible D6 level schools play eachother. I've seen top-of-the-line D1. Doesn't matter. I just enjoy watching the games.

Sykotyk

Sykotyk;591120 wrote:Funny, that the Texas separates their public and private and there's no debate as to which is the most followed, most important, and most revered in their state.

If the private schools were in their own division, or they left completely, I wouldn't care. I don't watch a HS game because of some big name star athlete on the team or how great the team participating is. I watch the game for the competition going on before my eyes. The two schools fighting back and forth. I've watched horrible D6 level schools play eachother. I've seen top-of-the-line D1. Doesn't matter. I just enjoy watching the games.

Sykotyk

The Texas example is pretty flawed. None of the private schools there are any good, nor have they ever been. New Jersey is a better example, where the better teams are private, and the public playoffs are an afterthought.

holdingout;589899 wrote:I wonder how private schools fare around the country. Do private schools around the country win their state championships also? Any info would be great.

Privates have won 76,495,349 Championships across the country out of 76,495,351.

fish82;591137 wrote:The Texas example is pretty flawed. None of the private schools there are any good, nor have they ever been. New Jersey is a better example, where the better teams are private, and the public playoffs are an afterthought.

So....Sykotyks example....of TEXAS football....is "pretty flawed"....but YOUR example....of New Jersey football....is a "better example"?

skank;591642 wrote:So....Sykotyks example....of TEXAS football....is "pretty flawed"....but YOUR example....of New Jersey football....is a "better example"?

I'm pretty sure that he was making the point that the correlation is flawed. I don't know for sure, and I can't speak for fish (so correct me if I'm wrong, fish)...but I'll try. I read his post to mean that in Ohio, the private schools are very good. By your own account, the private schools here are cheaters who have an unfair advantage and win too many championships. I think fish was just pointing out that the correlation between Ohio and Texas is "flawed" because Texas' private schools are not good. Therefore, the better example would be New Jersey...where the private schools win a majority of championships.

sherm03;591673 wrote:I'm pretty sure that he was making the point that the correlation is flawed. I don't know for sure, and I can't speak for fish (so correct me if I'm wrong, fish)...but I'll try. I read his post to mean that in Ohio, the private schools are very good. By your own account, the private schools here are cheaters who have an unfair advantage and win too many championships. I think fish was just pointing out that the correlation between Ohio and Texas is "flawed" because Texas' private schools are not good. Therefore, the better example would be New Jersey...where the private schools win a majority of championships.

I don't believe those were my exact words, but, I actually like the way YOU worded it better.

No. My pointing out Texas is the argument that somehow Ohioans will turn away from the state championships if they don't include everyone. Yet, in Texas where the UIL is king, there has never been an issue. And part of that is because the private schools have never and (for the overwhelming part) never will participate in the UIL. That doesn't stop fans from caring about the public titles.

In Ohio, Ohio H.S. fans will attend a 'public only' championship weekend with little disregard. If the private fans want to keep going on their way, that wouldn't affect it.

Part of the problem with New Jersey is that in New Jersey the only level that has a state wide championship IS the private schools. North 1, North 2, Central, and South crown regional champs at best. Non-Public covers the entire state. At least they get a true state champion. Maye that's why/how they care.

Sykotyk

Sykotyk;591738 wrote:No. My pointing out Texas is the argument that somehow Ohioans will turn away from the state championships if they don't include everyone. Yet, in Texas where the UIL is king, there has never been an issue. And part of that is because the private schools have never and (for the overwhelming part) never will participate in the UIL. That doesn't stop fans from caring about the public titles.

In Ohio, Ohio H.S. fans will attend a 'public only' championship weekend with little disregard. If the private fans want to keep going on their way, that wouldn't affect it.

Part of the problem with New Jersey is that in New Jersey the only level that has a state wide championship IS the private schools. North 1, North 2, Central, and South crown regional champs at best. Non-Public covers the entire state. At least they get a true state champion. Maye that's why/how they care.

Sykotyk

The point about people paying more attention to the private school championships than the public school championships if they were to be separated is mainly based on the assumption that the private schools would leave the OHSAA if they were to be separated out. Without having to follow any OHSAA rules (and I know I'm setting myself up here, but I'm going to say it anyways...) private schools would be free to recruit any kid they wanted without repercussion (cue skank, thinthick, or be nice and a smarmy comment similar to "so there would be no change...smoke and mirrors...etc.). The thought is that if the private schools could recruit students at will, the top talent would leave the public schools and go to the private schools...similar to how it is in New Jersey.

Whether or not that would actually happen...hopefully we will never know. But that is the thinking behind that sentiment.

sherm03;591673 wrote:I'm pretty sure that he was making the point that the correlation is flawed. I don't know for sure, and I can't speak for fish (so correct me if I'm wrong, fish)...but I'll try. I read his post to mean that in Ohio, the private schools are very good. By your own account, the private schools here are cheaters who have an unfair advantage and win too many championships. I think fish was just pointing out that the correlation between Ohio and Texas is "flawed" because Texas' private schools are not good. Therefore, the better example would be New Jersey...where the private schools win a majority of championships.

Correct. No one cares about the private tournament in Texas, because there are 0 good teams there.

Sykotyk;591738 wrote:No. My pointing out Texas is the argument that somehow Ohioans will turn away from the state championships if they don't include everyone. Yet, in Texas where the UIL is king, there has never been an issue. And part of that is because the private schools have never and (for the overwhelming part) never will participate in the UIL. That doesn't stop fans from caring about the public titles.

In Ohio, Ohio H.S. fans will attend a 'public only' championship weekend with little disregard. If the private fans want to keep going on their way, that wouldn't affect it.

Part of the problem with New Jersey is that in New Jersey the only level that has a state wide championship IS the private schools. North 1, North 2, Central, and South crown regional champs at best. Non-Public covers the entire state. At least they get a true state champion. Maye that's why/how they care.

Sykotyk

The fact that the privates have never been in the UIL is exactly the reason (coupled with the fact that the private schools stink) why the interest in the tournament is strong. The interest follows the good teams in Texas, New Jersey, and will just the same in Ohio if separation ever occurs.

skank;591642 wrote:So....Sykotyks example....of TEXAS football....is "pretty flawed"....but YOUR example....of New Jersey football....is a "better example"?

Reading comprehension is your friend, skank. Get some.

I certainly wouldn't favor watching a private tournament over a public tournament if I was a neutral observer? I don't go to high school games trying to watch great athletes. I go to NFL games for that.

I saw the 15,000+ ranked team according to Calpreps earlier this year (Memphis TX hosting White Deer TX) and had a great time. I'd rather watch that game than Ursuline-Mooney.

Sorry, but that's just me. I don't watch the players. I watch the game.

Sykotyk

GoChiefs;591640 wrote:Privates have won 76,495,349 Championships across the country out of 76,495,351.

I see you crawled out from under your rock...