Should the BIG EAST get an automatic BCS bid?

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Dec 5, 2010 4:50 PM
goosebumps;588414 wrote:I forgot that no one from the Big Ten ever performed badly in a BCS game...

You mean how UC is 1-2 against BCS conference opponents in bowl games?
Dec 5, 2010 4:50pm
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Dec 5, 2010 4:54 PM
sleeper;588049 wrote:They can win as many titles as they want in a row, still a losing record to the Big Ten.

holy shit, how many times does it have to be put on here for you 2 see it??? The big 10 and sec are tied since the start of the BCS.
Dec 5, 2010 4:54pm
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Dec 5, 2010 5:05 PM
LJ;588680 wrote:You mean how UC is 1-2 against BCS conference opponents in bowl games?

I didn't start slinging the mud, that was him. And I thought we were talking about conferences and not individual teams?
Dec 5, 2010 5:05pm
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Dec 5, 2010 5:09 PM
goosebumps;588695 wrote:I didn't start slinging the mud, that was him. And I thought we were talking about conferences and not individual teams?

Seeing as how both times they won the BE they got destroyed in the BCS game
Dec 5, 2010 5:09pm
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Dec 5, 2010 5:11 PM
Rotinaj;588685 wrote:holy shit, how many times does it have to be put on here for you 2 see it??? The big 10 and sec are tied since the start of the BCS.

Maybe I need to re-post my research from the gimmick offense thread. Since the BCS started, they are 20-20 against the SEC.
Dec 5, 2010 5:11pm
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Dec 5, 2010 5:13 PM
You guys have Big East Derangement Syndrome on this board. I realize the Big East has sucked this year and there are people who think it is a poor conference, but you guys take it to a new level. I don't quite get it to be honest with you.... if you wanna kick sand in someone's face there are plenty of other targets.
Dec 5, 2010 5:13pm
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Dec 5, 2010 5:14 PM
goosebumps;588695 wrote:I didn't start slinging the mud, that was him. And I thought we were talking about conferences and not individual teams?

When your conference representative plays like a 4 loss team in the BCS bowl, it affects the perception of the conference, hence my point is relevant.
Dec 5, 2010 5:14pm
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Dec 5, 2010 5:14 PM
LJ;588700 wrote:Seeing as how both times they won the BE they got destroyed in the BCS game

And I commented that its not like The Big Ten champion hasn't been blown out in a BCS game.... Is that not true? Should I post the stats?

Its all cyclical, The BE doesn't have the worst BCS record among the BCS conferences, that would belong to the ACC. However the BE is the only one who catches shit year in and year out. Its really getting old.
Dec 5, 2010 5:14pm
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Dec 5, 2010 5:16 PM
lhslep134;588711 wrote:When your conference representative plays like a 4 loss team in the BCS bowl, it affects the perception of the conference, hence my point is relevant.

I agree, it does make the conference look bad, thats why I asked about the Big Ten, since their representative lost by the same margin a few years back.
Dec 5, 2010 5:16pm
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Dec 5, 2010 5:17 PM
goosebumps;588712 wrote:And I commented that its not like The Big Ten champion hasn't been blown out in a BCS game.... Is that not true? Should I post the stats?

Its all cyclical, The BE doesn't have the worst BCS record among the BCS conferences, that would belong to the ACC. However the BE is the only one who catches shit year in and year out. Its really getting old.

Undefeated 2008- lose big in BCS game against ACC opponent
Undefeated 2009- Lose HUGE in BCS game to SEC #2
Conference champ 2010- 8-4 and only ranked because they won their conference. The BE has gone to absolute junk since RR left WVU. There is no way around it.
Dec 5, 2010 5:17pm
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Dec 5, 2010 5:19 PM
goosebumps;588713 wrote:I agree, it does make the conference look bad, thats why I asked about the Big Ten, since their representative lost by the same margin a few years back.

In the National Championship game against another conference champion who was #2 in the country. UC lost to a conference runner up in a normal BCS game and was ranked 2 spots below them.
Dec 5, 2010 5:19pm
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Dec 5, 2010 5:25 PM
LJ;588715 wrote:Undefeated 2008- lose big in BCS game against ACC opponent
Undefeated 2009- Lose HUGE in BCS game to SEC #2
Conference champ 2010- 8-4 and only ranked because they won their conference. The BE has gone to absolute junk since RR left WVU. There is no way around it.

2008: VT 20 UC 7 UC had a chance to make it 20-14 with five minutes left but was stopped on the one yard line. Since when is that spread a HUGE LOSS?
Dec 5, 2010 5:25pm
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Dec 5, 2010 5:28 PM
LJ;588715 wrote:Undefeated 2008- lose big in BCS game against ACC opponent
Undefeated 2009- Lose HUGE in BCS game to SEC #2
Conference champ 2010- 8-4 and only ranked because they won their conference. The BE has gone to absolute junk since RR left WVU. There is no way around it.
A well educated fan like yourself should know that UC wasn't undefeated after the 2008 season. They already had two losses (UConn and Oklahoma).

Here are some other numbers for you....

2006 undefeated--- Lose huge to a 1 loss SEC school
2007 one loss--- lose huge to a 2 loss SEC school
2008 2 losses--- lose a close one to Big 12
2009--- They looked good and beat a good Oregon team

So three years in a row the Big Ten champ lost their BCS bowl game.
Dec 5, 2010 5:28pm
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Dec 5, 2010 5:28 PM
goosebumps;588713 wrote:I agree, it does make the conference look bad, thats why I asked about the Big Ten, since their representative lost by the same margin a few years back.

The Big Ten DID look bad, but it wasn't a recurring thing, and they had 2 BCS winners last year, and could have another 2 this year.
Dec 5, 2010 5:28pm
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Dec 5, 2010 5:29 PM
Little Danny;588734 wrote:2008: VT 20 UC 7 UC had a chance to make it 20-14 with five minutes left but was stopped on the one yard line. Since when is that spread a HUGE LOSS?

I said it was a big loss. VT had 19 min more possession time, 9 more first downs, 3 less turnovers and almost 100 more total yards. UC got thumped.
Dec 5, 2010 5:29pm
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Dec 5, 2010 5:30 PM
goosebumps;588740 wrote:A well educated fan like yourself should know that UC wasn't undefeated after the 2008 season. They already had two losses (UConn and Oklahoma).

Here are some other numbers for you....

2006 undefeated--- Lose huge to a 1 loss SEC school
2007 one loss--- lose huge to a 2 loss SEC school
2008 2 losses--- lose a close one to Big 12
2009--- They looked good and beat a good Oregon team

So three years in a row the Big Ten champ lost their BCS bowl game.

2 national championship games and a close loss to the Big 12 runner up. And I mistyped on the 2008 season, I knew they weren't undefeated, but whatever. Keep comparing unlike situations, it's cool.
Dec 5, 2010 5:30pm
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Dec 5, 2010 5:31 PM
When was the last time a team currently in the Big East even made it to a national championship game?
Dec 5, 2010 5:31pm
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Dec 5, 2010 5:34 PM
Tobias Fünke;588129 wrote:

Wisconsin has the potential to be in for a rude awakening. Don't get me wrong I think they'll pound the living shit out of TCU's defensive interior, but Wisconsin's big win of the season is? Oh that's right, beating an Ohio State team that also hasn't been anyone. The true of the matter is we don't know how good anyone in the Big Ten is (and to a larger extent the country if you want to get crazy with that train of thought haha).

I guess I'm just saying I wouldn't wager "a large amount of money" on fickle collegiate players, especially a team that really hasn't been tested away from Madison.
Yeah ok. TCU's schedule compared to Wisconsin's is a joke. What's TCU's big signature win? An overrated Utah team? Or a 5-7 Oregon St. team? Wisconsin's signature win is over an 11-1 BCS bound team and reigning Rose Bowl Champs. I'd say that's legit, not too mention that they are playing some of the best football in the country right now.
lhslep134;588742 wrote:The Big Ten DID look bad, but it wasn't a recurring thing, and they had 2 BCS winners last year, and could have another 2 this year.
I think the probability of the Big 10 having another 2 BCS winners this year is VERY good.
Dec 5, 2010 5:34pm
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Dec 5, 2010 5:34 PM
^^^its been awhile, Last year UC would have been there if it werent' for 5 teams going undefeated. WVU would have been there a few years back but got upset by PITT the last game of the year. Louisville would have been there had they not gotten upset in the last week. Its harder for a team to go undefeated in a round robbin conference than a conference where you don't play everyone.
Dec 5, 2010 5:34pm
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Dec 5, 2010 5:36 PM
goosebumps;588753 wrote:^^^its been awhile, Last year UC would have been there if it werent' for 5 teams going undefeated. WVU would have been there a few years back but got upset by PITT the last game of the year. Louisville would have been there had they not gotten upset in the last week. Its harder for a team to go undefeated in a round robbin conference than a conference where you don't play everyone.

mmmhmmm.... So in other words, UC went undefeated, but weren't good enough to get the NC bowl bid....
Dec 5, 2010 5:36pm
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Dec 5, 2010 5:36 PM
goosebumps;588740 wrote: 2006 undefeated--- Lose huge to a 1 loss SEC champ
2007 one loss--- lose huge to a 2 loss SEC school champ
2008 2 losses--- lose a close one to Big 12 beat the team that played for title
2009--- They looked good and beat a good Oregon team Pac 10 champ

So three years in a row the Big Ten champ lost their BCS bowl game.



Fixed to show the significantly better competition OSU played.

And they outgained LSU, so it's tough to say they "lost huge"
Dec 5, 2010 5:36pm
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Dec 5, 2010 6:01 PM
I am fine with the Big East champion plying in a BCS bowl. This year they were awful, and as far as talent they are the weakest of the 6 BCS conferences every year, but every year they are also better than any of the mid major conferences (except for this year). The BCS isn't in the business of putting highly ranked teams in the Fiesta Bowl. It exists to put #1 and #2 in a game, and protect the interests of their bowls and participating conferences, one of which is the Big East.
Dec 5, 2010 6:01pm
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Dec 5, 2010 6:13 PM
Cleveland Buck;588780 wrote:I am fine with the Big East champion plying in a BCS bowl. This year they were awful, and as far as talent they are the weakest of the 6 BCS conferences every year, but every year they are also better than any of the mid major conferences (except for this year). The BCS isn't in the business of putting highly ranked teams in the Fiesta Bowl. It exists to put #1 and #2 in a game, and protect the interests of their bowls and participating conferences, one of which is the Big East.

+1 but I still think the BE and ACC are on the same level
Dec 5, 2010 6:13pm
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Dec 5, 2010 6:19 PM
Cleveland Buck;588780 wrote:I am fine with the Big East champion plying in a BCS bowl. This year they were awful, and as far as talent they are the weakest of the 6 BCS conferences every year, but every year they are also better than any of the mid major conferences (except for this year). The BCS isn't in the business of putting highly ranked teams in the Fiesta Bowl. It exists to put #1 and #2 in a game, and protect the interests of their bowls and participating conferences, one of which is the Big East.

So you are fine with the fact that it is set up that an 8-4 team that is only ranked because they won their conference gets to play in a BCS bowl over say a LSU or Michigan State? There are majorly shitty rules in the BCS. No more than 2 teams per conference and no restriction on BCS ranking for AQ status. Conference champiom should have a minimum BCS ranking in order to get the AQ bid
Dec 5, 2010 6:19pm
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Dec 5, 2010 6:21 PM
ACC still gets the nod based on overall talent when considering Florida State and Miami, Clemson to a degree too. That's where your perception issues arise, despite the obvious lack of coaching ability at the two. Those two have some history behind them as well that is pretty damn recent, where as the Big East has blow out losses to remember.
Dec 5, 2010 6:21pm