krambman;581668 wrote:First, it's not an opinion. Either there was holding or there wasn't.

Please feel free to point out to all of us how Sanzenbacher could have possibly been flagged for holding.

LOL... that's not the whole play. It is a judgement call, and I agree with the judgement made, and how the ref made his judgement. Break it down, inch by inch, slow motion, zoom in, and perhaps it WASN'T holding, but I agree with the judgement of the holding call.

Seriously, can't anyone have a dissenting opinion around here?

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not when it comes to a record breaking run

Dane should have cut the guy long before the face mask or any possible hold. Holding was an insane call.

BTW...

Lol playing with a torn ligament in your knee isnt that bad (played basketball 3 years in HS with a torn ACL bc i coudlnt get it fixed until i stopped growing)

not sure if youre telling us everything, but you needed a second opinion. I tore all three ligaments as a 5'9 freshman. Had them all repaired and grew to be 6'3 (and that was over 25 years ago)

"Seriously, can't anyone have a dissenting opinion around here? "

Well yes I guess you can...but when you are absolutely, positively, without any doubt whatsoever WRONG...that needs to be pointed out also.

Tiernan;581720 wrote:"Seriously, can't anyone have a dissenting opinion around here? "

Well yes I guess you can...but when you are absolutely, positively, without any doubt whatsoever WRONG...that needs to be pointed out also.

LOL... I disagree.

Then you and the room full of Buckeye fans you were with need to A. get glasses and B. quit pretending you know something about football.

Tiernan;581723 wrote:Then you and the room full of Buckeye fans you were with need to A. get glasses and B. quit pretending you know something about football.

Tir, yes Tir!

When I start taking things said on a message board seriously, I'll take that into consideration. But, until then, I'm fine right where I am.

krambman;581668 wrote:First, it's not an opinion. Either there was holding or there wasn't.]

What?? He can't have an opinion on whether or not he thought DZ committed a penalty?

dat dude;581730 wrote:What?? He can't have an opinion on whether or not he thought DZ committed a penalty?

What, you new here? LOL. If the opinion isn't of the majority, it isn't considered an opinion, but heresy.

ernest_t_bass;581391 wrote:No, was actually in a room full of die hard Buckeye fans that agreed with it, once they saw the replay.
It's just an opinion, you fuck ass dicks.

liar, and nice comeback.....sorry, couldn't resist joining in the fun, ETB

vball10set;581821 wrote:liar, and nice comeback

Really not lying. We were all upset at the hold call, and yelling profanities. Once we saw the replay, we actually did say, "Oh, OK. I can see that." Doesn't mean the call was right or wrong, but it does mean that we could understand how the official made that judgement call.

^^^see my edit--I was just messin' with ya'

Did Denard ask to come out, or did they pull him out after he fumbled the snap? (I honestly don't know)

vball10set;581827 wrote:^^^see my edit--I was just messin' with ya'

NBD... I'm not bothered either way, lol. I find it all funny. And, like I've stated in other threads, I find it HILARIOUS when grown men get all worked up over stuff like this.

Pick6;581626 wrote:dude it was a dislocated finger..i know high school players that went out of the game, coach popped it back in place, then went right back in and finished the game

Saw Benny Taylor (Bellaire) get his shoulder dislocated in a Mooney game, had it pushed back, and went back to the game.

Hb31187;581653 wrote:Lol playing with a torn ligament in your knee isnt that bad (played basketball 3 years in HS with a torn ACL bc i coudlnt get it fixed until i stopped growing) And neither is dislocated fingers i suppose

But I guess he could of gone back in, think its being made a much bigger deal than it really is/was however. But on this board where Denard is hated for no apparent reason, I guess i shouldnt be shocked lol

I'm acutally far from a Denard "hater," I actually like him. Just thought it was incredibly lame that a dislocated finger on his off hand would cause him to ask out of a game. That is so weak. I know plenty of guys who have played with far worse injuries.

hoops23;581549 wrote:Jim Tressel has more "Big Ten" wins (4) in the Big House than Michigan does under Rich Rod (3).

Beat me to it.

Did anyone else notice how small Michigan's players looked overall? There were maybe only 2 or 3 guys that looked like Big Ten-caliber players physically.

Hold on Sanz was terrible.

ernest_t_bass;581836 wrote:NBD... I'm not bothered either way, lol. I find it all funny. And, like I've stated in other threads, I find it HILARIOUS when grown men get all worked up over stuff like this.

I think you're giving a lot of these posters too much credit

jhay78;581995 wrote:Beat me to it.

Did anyone else notice how small Michigan's players looked overall? There were maybe only 2 or 3 guys that looked like Big Ten-caliber players physically.Hold on Sanz was terrible.

I agree, but I'll bet that Jim Harbaugh could have gotten at least two more wins with them this season...I sure hope he stays put for a while

ernest_t_bass;581825 wrote:Really not lying. We were all upset at the hold call, and yelling profanities. Once we saw the replay, we actually did say, "Oh, OK. I can see that." Doesn't mean the call was right or wrong, but it does mean that we could understand how the official made that judgement call.

That's fine if you though it was reasonable to call holding there, but I've watched the whole game twice, and I've watched that replay looking for holding at least a dozen times and I don't see anything that could have possibly been called holding. All I want is an explanation of what you saw that made you think that it was a reasonable call. Please explain to me where the holding was that made that call okay. If you can explain it maybe I'll see it then and gladly admit that I'm wrong that it was a bad call.

As for the pictures I posted, those where taken immediate before the ref threw the flag, so the holding had to have occurred somewhere within the time of those pictures or the flag would have been thrown sooner or later.

FatHobbit;581828 wrote:Did Denard ask to come out, or did they pull him out after he fumbled the snap? (I honestly don't know)

He came out after dislocating several fingers, but they showed a clip where he went up to RichRod a few minutes later and pointed to his hand clearly telling him that he didn't think he could go. If the trainers hadn't cleared him to go back in he wouldn't have needed to tell the couch that he couldn't go. I think this answers the question you were asking.

krambman;582084 wrote:That's fine if you though it was reasonable to call holding there, but I've watched the whole game twice, and I've watched that replay looking for holding at least a dozen times and I don't see anything that could have possibly been called holding. All I want is an explanation of what you saw that made you think that it was a reasonable call. Please explain to me where the holding was that made that call okay. If you can explain it maybe I'll see it then and gladly admit that I'm wrong that it was a bad call.

As for the pictures I posted, those where taken immediate before the ref threw the flag, so the holding had to have occurred somewhere within the time of those pictures or the flag would have been thrown sooner or later.

Does this situation really warrant a right or wrong? I'm OK with being wrong, just as much as I'm OK with being right. I simply don't care either way, b/c it was a judgement call, and it did not affect the outcome of the game.

I thought he had ahold of his jersey. I did not watch this play as much as you did. But that is what I (we) thought we saw and agreed with.

ernest_t_bass;582104 wrote:Does this situation really warrant a right or wrong? I'm OK with being wrong, just as much as I'm OK with being right. I simply don't care either way, b/c it was a judgement call, and it did not affect the outcome of the game.

I thought he had ahold of his jersey. I did not watch this play as much as you did. But that is what I (we) thought we saw and agreed with.

No, it doesn't necessarily warrant a right or wrong outcome, but you keep saying that you thought it was holding but never explained why or where the holding was. When I watch the play he has his hands on the defenders chest in between his armpits the entire time until he spins him and pushes him down from the side. No one EVER gets called for holding if their hands on on the chest in between the armpits. That's simply acceptable. The only time anyone get's called for holding is if the jersey is pulled out of place or if an arm is extended with a hand gripping the jersey. That never happened during this play. Also, receivers are using given a bit more leeway in terms of holding when blocking down field than offensive linemen are because they are used to blocking regularly, whereas receivers are not, and I don't even think that a linemen would have been called for holding.

The ref who threw the flag was running down the sideline and he appears to be watching Herron run to the endzone and not the block. He is also completely blocked by Sanzenbach so I'm unsure how he could have seen him holding the Michigan player anyway (which is also likely why he missed the Michigan player molesting Sanz's facemask). By the time the ref reaches for his flag Sanzenbacher nearly has the Michigan defender on the ground, and where the threw the flag (where the penalty supposedly occurred) Sanzenbacher was already beginning to drive him to the turn. I don't think it's physically possible to hold someone and push them down at the same time.

It looks to me like one of those situations where a center in basketball get's a foul called on him because the ref just assumes that their had to be a foul. It looked like the ref threw the flag because he thought that there had to be holding for a receiver to block down field that well.

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Again, you've seen the play more than I have, and I have to go off my memory from Saturday. I did a google search and couldn't find video on it.

I couldn't find video of just that play, but here is a highlight video from the game. Skip to 3:44 for the play in question.

Music in video is NSFW.

[video=youtube;gWNKm_4RyDo][/video]

Sorry, dude just got owned. Point blank.