Division 5 championship: Youngstown Ursuline (14-0) vs. Coldwater (11-3)

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Dec 4, 2010 11:43 PM
Red Rider Nation;587415 wrote:You guys should not even be proud of that win. You are clearly bigger and faster than anyone in D5 and it is unfair. Same with all catholic schools that recruit the best kids in their area. it is a joke that you are even allowed to do it. The only reason the OHSAA wont put you in your own division is because the attendane is driven by public schools. Private schools have no following. The games of 2 catholic schools would consist of 500 fans and not enough money to support that. That is it. You should be ashamed of yourselves!

Don't be proud of a state title?
Yeah i'm just going to forget you said that.
Dec 4, 2010 11:43pm
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Dec 4, 2010 11:44 PM
Ohio;587890 wrote:How would Small schools like ursuline and st johns be a fair game against a d1 xavier and or iggy or eds? Enrollment matters just quit crying about who wins what and who loses cause its rather annoying you do not play football you just come on this website and talk about it case closed.
and a 70 point margin of victory in a STATE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME is FAIR??? AAAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA....YOU should go on tour with Sherm....you guys are goooooood
Dec 4, 2010 11:44pm
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Dec 4, 2010 11:44 PM
Be Nice;587460 wrote:sherm....the OHSAA is "feeling the heat". It's rules and guidelines need revamped. Change is coming.

Ooooohhh I am so scared.
Go Ursuline!
Dec 4, 2010 11:44pm
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Dec 4, 2010 11:45 PM
Spread All Day;587966 wrote:Don't be proud of a state title?
Yeah i'm just going to forget you said that.

Massillons titles of the pre playoff era hold more value than your slanted playing field titles.
Dec 4, 2010 11:45pm
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Dec 4, 2010 11:57 PM
1_beast;587964 wrote:its better than YOUR material
1_beast;587969 wrote:and a 70 point margin of victory in a STATE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME is FAIR??? AAAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA....YOU should go on tour with Sherm....you guys are goooooood

Oh wow...just saw these personal shots as well. So much for not having a dog in the fight...
Dec 4, 2010 11:57pm
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Dec 4, 2010 11:58 PM
1_beast;587972 wrote:Massillons titles of the pre playoff era hold more value than your slanted playing field titles.

You have no clue what you're talking about. Once again, someone talks about Ursuline, and has no clue what they're saying.
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Dec 4, 2010 11:58pm
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Dec 5, 2010 9:34 AM
Red Rider Nation;587465 wrote:Im not complaining and whining and the fact that you are from Mooney is no different. 4 years ago you were ranked No 5 in the nation in D4. How does that happen? Because you were bigger and faster than any other team. Yes Coldwater did beat you but that was lucky lets face it. Nobody in Youngstown is excited about either one of your programs because at the end of the day they are players that you took from Austin town, Warren harding, and Fitch and you know it. You will not win that argument with me. Do you know who we have to pull talent from in Orrville? Just Orrville. We do things the right way and that is why I am proud of our program. We won a state title in 98 and they may be the only one we will ever win but we did it the right way. You cant tell me in the State title gamesa where the 2 best teams from each division come together, that there are teams losing by 70 points. Thats ridiculous and I dont give a crap what anyone says. Pjut yourself in our shoes. If we graduate a lot of seniors, we rebuild next year. If you graduate a lot of seniors, you offer scholorships to good players to fill their spot.

Austin Town . . . . really?

You're vastly misinformed and uneducated on this subject, which is obvious from your posts.

Oh, and you have a friend on the OHSAA Board who knows more than everyone here . . . . gee, do you also have some gay friends . . . and black ones too?

Three claps for you.
Dec 5, 2010 9:34am
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Dec 5, 2010 9:51 AM
Why is everyone hating on Ursuline. Coach Reardon used to be my coach back at WGH and was pretty darn good then, and it seems like he is now. Can someone inform me of these "recruit" allegations please.?
Dec 5, 2010 9:51am
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Dec 5, 2010 9:55 AM
OK if you want to believe that case closed for now - all public schools have kids that play both ways from D4 doen and in many cased D3. Delphos and Ursuline recruit skilled players for every position avoiding this. You are not gonna win this argument with me so stop trying. Nobody in D5 can compete with you because it is not a level playing field. You cant argue that. 5 of the 6 divisions were won by private schools because the system is messed up.
Dec 5, 2010 9:55am
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Dec 5, 2010 9:57 AM
77Legend;588207 wrote:Why is everyone hating on Ursuline. Coach Reardon used to be my coach back at WGH and was pretty darn good then, and it seems like he is now. Can someone inform me of these "recruit" allegations please.?

After Canton Central Catholic won in 2000, they had teams of around 60-70 kids. They're now back to the 30 kid range. Did CCC recruit after they won their state championship and no longer do? ..... no... everyone just wants to play for a winner. That's why Ursuline is getting so many kids right now. The recruiting allegations are bogus.. people just want to play for winners. Public schools with good traditions reap the same benefits.
Dec 5, 2010 9:57am
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Dec 5, 2010 9:59 AM
I wouldnt forget it. Play the Ohio St buckeyes next time because your O-Line is almost their size. Then if you beat them be proud. Thats about what it is like for these public schools to play you. You win D5 every year becasue nobody can compete with you period.
Dec 5, 2010 9:59am
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Dec 5, 2010 10:02 AM
I have a clue. Where is the post game celebration at in Youngstown? Oh wait thats right nobody there cares either because they agree with everyone else in Ohio. Outside of your school and Mooney people in Y-town are just as disgusted with your programs as we are. You should not be proud of what I saw yesterday. Expect to win yes because nobody will compete with you. If you are proud of that you have personal issues above and beyond football
Dec 5, 2010 10:02am
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Dec 5, 2010 10:04 AM
ZWICK 4 PREZ;588215 wrote:After Canton Central Catholic won in 2000, they had teams of around 60-70 kids. They're now back to the 30 kid range. Did CCC recruit after they won their state championship and no longer do? ..... no... everyone just wants to play for a winner. That's why Ursuline is getting so many kids right now. The recruiting allegations are bogus.. people just want to play for winners. Public schools with good traditions reap the same benefits.

You are correct about so many kids going because Ursuline is winning. The other that has also happened over the last few years is that Youngstown City Schools have become very dangerous places. Many kids in Youngstown are choosing to go to private schools or open enroll at public schools in the area.
Dec 5, 2010 10:04am
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Dec 5, 2010 10:07 AM
Who have we recruited. Like I said in another thread, the ONLY Austintown Public School player on Ursuline's team is Asst. Coach Cylar's son. I bring up Austintown because I live there and have to hear their fans bitching about Ursuline taking their kids all the time... They are WRONG!
Dec 5, 2010 10:07am
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Dec 5, 2010 10:08 AM
Red Rider Nation;588217 wrote:I have a clue. Where is the post game celebration at in Youngstown? Oh wait thats right nobody there cares either because they agree with everyone else in Ohio. Outside of your school and Mooney people in Y-town are just as disgusted with your programs as we are. You should not be proud of what I saw yesterday. Expect to win yes because nobody will compete with you. If you are proud of that you have personal issues above and beyond football

As I pointed out to you before...the entire city of Youngstown will not ever celebrate a Mooney or Ursuline championship because there are more teams to support in the area. Just like if Glenville (a public school) was to win, the entire city of Cleveland would not celebrate. And when Winton Woods (a public school) won last year, the entire city of Cincinnati did not celebrate.

So again I'll say...perhaps your beef isn't with private/public...perhaps its with urban/rural.
Dec 5, 2010 10:08am
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Dec 5, 2010 10:17 AM
Just heard this on 570 WKBN, Ursuline and Lakewood St. Edward's are working on a deal to play in Week 1 of next season..
Dec 5, 2010 10:17am
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Dec 5, 2010 10:29 AM
Red Rider Nation;588213 wrote:OK if you want to believe that case closed for now - all public schools have kids that play both ways from D4 doen and in many cased D3. Delphos and Ursuline recruit skilled players for every position avoiding this. You are not gonna win this argument with me so stop trying. Nobody in D5 can compete with you because it is not a level playing field. You cant argue that. 5 of the 6 divisions were won by private schools because the system is messed up.
I'm assuming you felt the same way about Ursuline circa 2000-2006 when they were a .500 team?
Dec 5, 2010 10:29am
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Dec 5, 2010 10:35 AM
fish82;588238 wrote:I'm assuming you felt the same way about Ursuline circa 2000-2006 when they were a .500 team?

Or Mooney from 2000-2003 when they went 5-5, 0-10, 5-5, 8-3 during that stretch.

Wait...let me guess...they just didn't have a good recruiting class those years...right?
Dec 5, 2010 10:35am
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Dec 5, 2010 10:42 AM
mvred...your post to me is about as juvenile as they come. Grow up, son.
Dec 5, 2010 10:42am
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Dec 5, 2010 10:50 AM
Is that not what a coach is supposed to do in high school, build a program to the point that everyone wants to come to. I sure would, so that does not mean people are recruiting. As a parent, wouldn't you do the same, to put your son in the best position possible to be successful? For those who are mad about yesterdays score, give me a break. Ursuline could not help it that Coldwater could not tackle. Coldwater is a very good school that was outmatched. Did you want Ursuline to take a knee every play? Cry me a river!
Dec 5, 2010 10:50am
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Dec 5, 2010 12:06 PM
ZWICK 4 PREZ;588215 wrote:After Canton Central Catholic won in 2000, they had teams of around 60-70 kids. They're now back to the 30 kid range. Did CCC recruit after they won their state championship and no longer do? ..... no... everyone just wants to play for a winner. That's why Ursuline is getting so many kids right now. The recruiting allegations are bogus.. people just want to play for winners. Public schools with good traditions reap the same benefits.

False, not all public schools can reap those benefits. Some have a limited open enrollement, some dont even have it yet. Kids should not be able to go from school to school just cause one is winning. Thats why the playing field is not level and thats why change needs to happen.
Dec 5, 2010 12:06pm
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Dec 5, 2010 12:10 PM
ZWICK 4 PREZ;588215 wrote:After Canton Central Catholic won in 2000, they had teams of around 60-70 kids. They're now back to the 30 kid range. Did CCC recruit after they won their state championship and no longer do? ..... no... everyone just wants to play for a winner. That's why Ursuline is getting so many kids right now. The recruiting allegations are bogus.. people just want to play for winners. Public schools with good traditions reap the same benefits.

False, not all public schools can reap those benefits. Some have a limited open enrollement, some dont even have it yet. Kids should not be able to go from school to school just cause one is winning. Thats why the playing field is not level and thats why change needs to happen.
77Legend;588254 wrote:Is that not what a coach is supposed to do in high school, build a program to the point that everyone wants to come to. I sure would, so that does not mean people are recruiting.

No thats not what a coach is supposed to do. He is supposed to build a program from the youth levels of the students already in their system. Not bring in oher kids to fill whatever holes, or bring in other kids because they might be better. The fact that people can use that logic that players should openly move to better schools, just illustrates how messed up the system is.
Dec 5, 2010 12:10pm
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Dec 5, 2010 12:25 PM
CardsFlyinHigh;588337 wrote:False, not all public schools can reap those benefits.

I said public schools with good traditions not all public schools.
Dec 5, 2010 12:25pm
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Dec 5, 2010 1:35 PM
Be Nice;588247 wrote:mvred...your post to me is about as juvenile as they come. Grow up, son.

If that is juvenile in your book you have set some pretty low standards I my friend.
Dec 5, 2010 1:35pm
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Dec 5, 2010 2:48 PM
Cards.......lol....you are funny. Must of been directly affected by another kid coming over to play at Ursuline? If I am a HC, I want to build a program that garners that type of respect. If you are a good athlete in Cleveland, more than likely you will want to play at either Glenville, Ed's or Iggy for example. What's wrong with that?
Dec 5, 2010 2:48pm