Archive Official 2011 Nascar thread

GoChiefs

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Jul 13, 2011 4:08pm

OK, and I also said why that is completely inaccurate now a days.

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WebFire

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Jul 13, 2011 4:26pm

So every driver ever should have all win totals added.

So what is Petty up to now? Earnhardt? Tony Stewart? Kyle isn't the only one this applies to.

GoChiefs

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Jul 13, 2011 4:33pm

David Pearson and Petty are the only two to hit 200 combining them all. So applying it to every driver just shows how hard it is considering only two have done it.

j_crazy

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Jul 13, 2011 5:14pm

GoChiefs;829265 wrote:David Pearson and Petty are the only two to hit 200 combining them all. So applying it to every driver just shows how hard it is considering only two have done it.

BOOOM!

how many races combined have they all been in. to me whats impressive about shrub is that it seems like he's got 1/5 of the races and 1/2 of the wins. as petty, pearson, etc.

GoChiefs

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Jul 13, 2011 7:30pm

Here are some stats from some notable drivers with ALL races combined that they raced in all NASCAR series.

Richard Petty - 200 wins in 1,184 races. 16.89% winning percentage.
David Pearson - 105 wins in 574 races. 18.29% winning percentage.
Kyle Busch - 99 wins in 543 races. 18.23% winning percentage.
Dale Earnhardt Sr. - 97 wins in 813 races. 11.93% winning percentage.
Jimmie Johnson - 55 wins in 438 races. 12.55% winning percentage.
Tony Stewart - 51 wins in 544 races. 9.37% winning percentage.
Jeff Gordon - 89 wins in 708 races. 12.57% winning percentage.

So if you are going by percentages, Kyle would be 2nd all time right now behind The Silver Fox.

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WebFire

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Jul 13, 2011 8:53pm

Sr. had 76 Cup wins. You left 34 other wins off his total (if you count IROC, 23 if not).

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WebFire

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Jul 13, 2011 8:56pm

Also keep in mind Petty and Pearson didn't have the opportunity to race Nationwide and Truck series in addition to the Cup series. Even when they had Busch, it wasn't as common for the Cup guys to race with them in the good old days.

GoChiefs

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Jul 13, 2011 9:00pm

WebFire;829460 wrote:Sr. had 76 Cup wins. You left 34 other wins off his total (if you count IROC, 23 if not).

Fixed. I forgot to add his Nationwide totals. Only counting Sprint, Nationwide, and Trucks.

GoChiefs

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Jul 13, 2011 9:04pm

WebFire;829462 wrote:Also keep in mind Petty and Pearson didn't have the opportunity to race Nationwide and Truck series in addition to the Cup series. Even when they had Busch, it wasn't as common for the Cup guys to race with them in the good old days.

Sure, but keep in mind, during that era, they would race 3, 4, even 5 races a week sometimes. Lets face it, the "pros" back then were a lot like the Nationwide series now. You had 4 or 5 good drivers in a race and that was it. Hell, many races the guy in 4th place would finish 5 laps down. The competition was nowhere near what it is today, which is why I would put Kyles 200 up there with Petty's.

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WebFire

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Jul 13, 2011 10:39pm

GoChiefs;829467 wrote:Sure, but keep in mind, during that era, they would race 3, 4, even 5 races a week sometimes. Lets face it, the "pros" back then were a lot like the Nationwide series now. You had 4 or 5 good drivers in a race and that was it. Hell, many races the guy in 4th place would finish 5 laps down.

I don't disagree. But I don't think it's fair to compare eras, especially that far apart. There are too many variables.

I also don't think it's fair to count a series that didn't even exist then. How many truck races would Petty have won?

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WebFire

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Jul 13, 2011 10:40pm

I also think the drivers themselves were better back then. They really had to drive those cars hard on tough tracks.

Speedofsand

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Jul 13, 2011 11:55pm

Steve Kinser has won about 600 WoO features

Dick Trickle won about 900 short track late model features

Terry_Tate

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Jul 14, 2011 1:15am

I don't think it would compare to Petty. The 200 wins is pretty darn impressive, but honestly I think Jeff Gordon's is almost as impressive if not more impressive. Petty had the best equipment bar none, was one of the first to have a sponsor, and faced maybe 5 to 8 cars a week that could beat him, if that. David Pearson was a better driver than Petty imo but I don't think he ran the full year very often.

Anyway, Kyle's 200 would be impressive no doubt, and I could actually buy that it would be more impressive., but he needs to have a higher percentage of Cup wins to sell me on it than just beating up the truck guys.

GoChiefs

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Jul 14, 2011 2:48am

Pearson is above everyone IMO as well. He raced only 3 full seasons and won the championship all 3 years.

coyotes22

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Jul 15, 2011 12:05am

GoChiefs;829467 wrote:Sure, but keep in mind, during that era, they would race 3, 4, even 5 races a week sometimes. Lets face it, the "pros" back then were a lot like the Nationwide series now. You had 4 or 5 good drivers in a race and that was it. Hell, many races the guy in 4th place would finish 5 laps down. The competition was nowhere near what it is today, which is why I would put Kyles 200 up there with Petty's.

KB2 is def setting some records. He drives like an idiot, but, if it makes him money, and he gets the win, so be it. He did get lucky in Kentucky tho. The two trucks that should have won, breaks a rear end, and has a hood come off??!?!!? What a lucky prick!

j_crazy

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Jul 15, 2011 9:02am

i hate the loudon race. but i'll be home to watch it (first time in 5 weeks i can say that) so i'm excited.

Tiger2003

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Jul 15, 2011 10:15am

j_crazy;830759 wrote:i hate the loudon race. but i'll be home to watch it (first time in 5 weeks i can say that) so i'm excited.

Why you hate it? Because there is only one real grove and passing is harder than hell.

Speedofsand

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Jul 15, 2011 10:50am

I don't like Loudon because its where Kenny Irwin died. He was a nice guy, shook his truck down at New Smyrna several times when I was there.

GoChiefs

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Jul 15, 2011 12:33pm

j_crazy;830759 wrote:i hate the loudon race. but i'll be home to watch it (first time in 5 weeks i can say that) so i'm excited.

Say what? Kurt has 3 wins, 7 Top 5's, and 10 Top 10's and an average finish of 13.6 at Loudon. He is great at this track. You should like Loudon. Lol

GoChiefs

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Jul 15, 2011 12:34pm

Speedofsand;830863 wrote:I don't like Loudon because its where Kenny Irwin died.

Still weird as hell how he and Adam Petty had basically the exact same crashes in the exact same spot just a couple months apart.

coyotes22

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Jul 15, 2011 10:43pm

Flyin Ryan Newman grabs the pole!

Tiger2003

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Jul 16, 2011 12:48am

coyotes22;831402 wrote:Flyin Ryan Newman grabs the pole!

Stewart-Haas Racing took there first-ever front-row qualifying lock-out for a Cup race, with Ryan Newman just pipping his boss Tony Stewart.

coyotes22

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Jul 16, 2011 4:28am

$500 vCash on the #14

coyotes22

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Jul 16, 2011 4:33am

A good read:

The good thing is, Bowyer's last victory came at this venue in the 2010 Chase opener. And even better, during his past five starts at each of the seven tracks that lead up the Chase cutoff race in September at Richmond, Bowyer's best average finish -- 10th -- is at New Hampshire.
Bowyer's averages at the schedule's next three venues are very similar -- 11.6 at Indianapolis and 11th at Pocono. His worst three are Bristol (22.6), Watkins Glen (18.8) and Atlanta (17.8). Michigan reflects some middle ground, where Bowyer's average finish during his past five starts is 12.2.

http://www.nascar.com/news/110715/cbowyer-new-hampshire-wild-card/index.html

coyotes22

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Jul 16, 2011 4:34am

I like Bowyer, he has always been one of those drivers that flies under the radar. He seems to get along with all the other drivers. You dont usually hear him complaining about things.