Will Pryor's Run Rank with Other OSU GOATs?

Home ▸ Archive ▸ College Sports ▸ Will Pryor's Run Rank with Other OSU GOATs?
T

Tiernan

Senior Member

13,021 posts
Nov 22, 2010 11:21 AM
Immediately following the 4th Down scramble by Pryor on Sat. the discussion came up among buddies watching the game whether that play will be remembered along side Krenzel's Purdue Pass, Germaine's TD vs AZ St, Clarett's run down and ball strip vs Miami, Speilman's huge stop vs scUM in '87...etc, etc.

I say it will depend on what happens the rest of the season. Obviously they win this week but what the Bucks do in their bowl game will determine whether this goes down as a GOAT everybody remembers as a defining moment in a very good season, or just another good individual effort.
Nov 22, 2010 11:21am
thedynasty1998's avatar

thedynasty1998

Senior Member

6,844 posts
Nov 22, 2010 11:26 AM
Interesting question. If OSU was still in contention for the Rose Bowl or a National Championship, you would have to say yes. But for some reason no one seems to be real excited to tie for the Big 10 championship.

But yes, it was a GREAT play and I do think it is a defining play of Pryor's career. Not that with that play he took the next step or anything, but it might be the single biggest play of his career, to date.
Nov 22, 2010 11:26am
FatHobbit's avatar

FatHobbit

Senior Member

8,651 posts
Nov 22, 2010 11:27 AM
IMHO it's not on the same level as those plays.
Nov 22, 2010 11:27am
V

vball10set

paying it forward

24,795 posts
Nov 22, 2010 11:42 AM
I agree with Tiernan that it will hinge on what happens the rest of this season, as well as next. IMO,he has been consistently good, but not great--even though he has made some great plays. That being said, the expectations that he faced coming out of high school were virtually unattainable, and even though I realize that some of these were brought about by TP and his family during the recruiting process, there was no way he could have lived up to these expectations. Now, if he goes on to win the NC next season, we'll forget about the inconsistencies that have plagued these last few years. Still, his record speaks for itself, and he should go down as one the best QB's that have donned the Scarlet and Gray.
Nov 22, 2010 11:42am
E

enigmaax

Senior Member

4,511 posts
Nov 22, 2010 11:58 AM
thedynasty1998;570775 wrote:But for some reason no one seems to be real excited to tie for the Big 10 championship.

Maybe because this time it isn't likely to get them to the Rose Bowl?
vball10set;570794 wrote:That being said, the expectations that he faced coming out of high school were virtually unattainable, and even though I realize that some of these were brought about by TP and his family during the recruiting process, there was no way he could have lived up to these expectations.
What were those expectations? I guess, I just don't see why making a national title game is unattainable or that he couldn't/shouldn't have lived up to those expectations. His legacy can be distinctly different by leading his team there and really, last year he blew it. This year, maybe not so much...Wisconsin is a pretty good team. A lot hinges on next year and he still may fulfill all that promise, but if not, I don't think you can crutch on the expectations were unreasonable. He was the #1 QB in the country, playing on one of the top four or five teams in the country over nearly any period of time you want to consider (including the present/recent past), playing on a team that arguably has as much more/talent than any team on its schedule (and maybe in the entire country), and he gets four years of starting experience. That is set up pretty well for success. All the conference titles are nice, but I'd have expected a title shot at least once.
Nov 22, 2010 11:58am
j_crazy's avatar

j_crazy

7 gram rocks. how i roll.

8,372 posts
Nov 22, 2010 12:00 PM
I'd love to see it. didn't get to :(.
Nov 22, 2010 12:00pm
End of Line's avatar

End of Line

It's Clobberin Time!

6,867 posts
Nov 22, 2010 12:06 PM
FatHobbit;570776 wrote:IMHO it's not on the same level as those plays.

Agreed. It's not on the level of Troy Smiths pass to Gonzo against UM either (2005).
Nov 22, 2010 12:06pm
T

that_guy

Senior Member

439 posts
Nov 22, 2010 12:18 PM
It's nowhere close to the Holy Buckeye play vs Purdue.
That single play put Ohio State ahead, would have resulted in a loss had it failed, and kept Ohio State undefeated.

Pryor's run didn't do any of those things. Had he gotten stopped, OSU still had time to come up with a stop on D and get another shot on offense as there were still 4 minutes left. It was a nice clutch play, but it doesn't compare to the Holy Buckeye play, or even Germaine's pass in the Rose Bowl...
Nov 22, 2010 12:18pm
thedynasty1998's avatar

thedynasty1998

Senior Member

6,844 posts
Nov 22, 2010 12:24 PM
As for his expectations, I don't think they have been unreasonable by Buckeye fans. I don't think many expected him to start as a freshman, which he did. I think most would have been happy with a Rose Bowl victory over Oregon his sophomore year, which he accomplished. As for this year, the national media kind of threw him into the Heisman discussion, but honestly I don't think many Buckeye fans thought he was that deserving.

As for the results of this season, I don't think you can pin that Wisconsin loss on Pryor's play. So if they win out, I think he actually has exceeded my expectations at this point in his career.

Coming out of HS everyone knew he was a great athlete that had flaws in his passing game. That's exactly what we've seen.
Nov 22, 2010 12:24pm
jhay78's avatar

jhay78

Senior Member

1,917 posts
Nov 22, 2010 12:37 PM
Given the situation, right after Posey's drop in the end zone on 3rd down (and I was throwing stuff at my TV), Pryor's run was huge.

It was the difference between a respectable 11-1 season, BCS bowl berth, 6th straight Big10 title, and:

1) 1st non-BCS bowl since 2004
2) 1st 2-loss Big10 season since 2004

No way they get the ball back and win if he doesn't make that play.
Nov 22, 2010 12:37pm
N

norwalk

Senior Member

158 posts
Nov 22, 2010 1:16 PM
It won't go down as great as the others mentioned but assuming Pryor can continue winning and do special things next year it will go down as part of his highlight reel, i.e. Troy Smith. He did make it look easy.
Nov 22, 2010 1:16pm
ptown_trojans_1's avatar

ptown_trojans_1

Moderator

7,632 posts
Nov 22, 2010 1:21 PM
I can name a few plays that were bigger than that one. Although, it was a huge play.
1. Smith to Gonzo-2005 Michigan
2. Smith to Robo-2006 Penn St.
3. Beanie run vs. Michigan-2007
4. Even Pryor's run against Wisconsin his first year was a bigger play to me.

But, still, awesome play, just not GOAT level.
Nov 22, 2010 1:21pm
FatHobbit's avatar

FatHobbit

Senior Member

8,651 posts
Nov 22, 2010 1:52 PM
I think the biggest reason it isn't the same is because he didn't score. It kept the drive alive, but all if not most of the memorable plays were for touchdowns. As ptown said, the run against Wisconsin his freshman year was bigger because it was a game winner.
Nov 22, 2010 1:52pm
T

Tiernan

Senior Member

13,021 posts
Nov 22, 2010 2:12 PM
ptown_trojans_1;570961 wrote:I can name a few plays that were bigger than that one. Although, it was a huge play.
1. Smith to Gonzo-2005 Michigan
2. Smith to Robo-2006 Penn St.
3. Beanie run vs. Michigan-2007
4. Even Pryor's run against Wisconsin his first year was a bigger play to me.

But, still, awesome play, just not GOAT level.
Why do people always give TWHPIH credit for the pass to Gonzo in '05? That was an incredibly shitty thrown pass at a critical juncture in the game and AG makes one of the most acrobatic catches I've ever seen in CFB history.
Nov 22, 2010 2:12pm
ptown_trojans_1's avatar

ptown_trojans_1

Moderator

7,632 posts
Nov 22, 2010 2:21 PM
Tiernan;571043 wrote:Why do people always give TWHPIH credit for the pass to Gonzo in '05? That was an incredibly shitty thrown pass at a critical juncture in the game and AG makes one of the most acrobatic catches I've ever seen in CFB history.

Iunno, maybe it was Troy ability to elude in the pocket and shake off the defenders?
Gonzo made an awesome catch as well, but never would have happened if Smith would have moved around and out of the pocket.
Nov 22, 2010 2:21pm
E

elbuckeye28

Senior Member

919 posts
Nov 22, 2010 2:46 PM
ptown_trojans_1;570961 wrote:I can name a few plays that were bigger than that one. Although, it was a huge play.
1. Smith to Gonzo-2005 Michigan
2. Smith to Robo-2006 Penn St.
3. Beanie run vs. Michigan-2007
4. Even Pryor's run against Wisconsin his first year was a bigger play to me.

But, still, awesome play, just not GOAT level.

I'm not sure if any of those plays were BIGGER given the circumstances of each game. While I think the plays were BETTER (Smith to Gonzo, Smith to Robiskie), the fact that it was late in the 4th quarter on 4th down makes this play bigger. If he doesn't get that first down, it is likely we don't win the game. If Smith doesn't hit Gonzo or Robiskie there were still other downs and time left.
Nov 22, 2010 2:46pm
jhay78's avatar

jhay78

Senior Member

1,917 posts
Nov 22, 2010 3:13 PM
Don't forget, not long after that Pryor hit Sanz for a big pass down to the 2. That play had Smith-to-Gonzo written all over it: big road game, share of Big10 on the line, late 4th qtr drive, QB escapes the pocket, WR makes acrobatic catch. So you could give Pryor credit for two big plays that last drive- and if Posey doesn't drop that long pass in the end zone we're talking about a great TD pass instead.
Nov 22, 2010 3:13pm
Mr. 300's avatar

Mr. 300

Senior Member

3,090 posts
Nov 22, 2010 5:05 PM
Why would I get excited about a run from TP?? That's really all he has going for him. The comments made about being on one of the top teams in the country were my comments a few days ago. His missed throws far exceed any drops his receivers have had in his three years at TOSU. He has above average speed but below average qb smarts and off the bottom of the chart on the intermediate throws. His deep ball is average/above average.

JT said in the beginning he wanted TP to not make mistakes in running the offense. and kept it simple for him. Had hoped that would change and open up a bit, but seems to methe apron strings are still attached.
Nov 22, 2010 5:05pm
believer's avatar

believer

Senior Member

8,153 posts
Nov 22, 2010 5:12 PM
Mr. 300;571288 wrote:Why would I get excited about a run from TP?? That's really all he has going for him. The comments made about being on one of the top teams in the country were my comments a few days ago. His missed throws far exceed any drops his receivers have had in his three years at TOSU. He has above average speed but below average qb smarts and off the bottom of the chart on the intermediate throws. His deep ball is average/above average.

JT said in the beginning he wanted TP to not make mistakes in running the offense. and kept it simple for him. Had hoped that would change and open up a bit, but seems to methe apron strings are still attached.
+100
Nov 22, 2010 5:12pm
FatHobbit's avatar

FatHobbit

Senior Member

8,651 posts
Nov 22, 2010 5:23 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/stewart_mandel/11/21/andrew-luck-heisman/1.html

The second part of this page has to do with Prior. If we beat Michigan, Pryor will have started as a freshman and have a record 30-4, gone 3-0 against Michigan and a share of three big ten titles. I'm not saying he's perfect or can't improve but some people are really really really spoiled if that's not good enough.
Nov 22, 2010 5:23pm
F

fan_from_texas

Senior Member

2,693 posts
Nov 22, 2010 6:52 PM
FatHobbit;571325 wrote:http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/stewart_mandel/11/21/andrew-luck-heisman/1.html

The second part of this page has to do with Prior. If we beat Michigan, Pryor will have started as a freshman and have a record 30-4, gone 3-0 against Michigan and a share of three big ten titles. I'm not saying he's perfect or can't improve but some people are really really really spoiled if that's not good enough.

99% of schools around the country would kill for numbers like that.
Nov 22, 2010 6:52pm
Terry_Tate's avatar

Terry_Tate

Senior Member

7,606 posts
Nov 22, 2010 7:03 PM
Did Pryor not start against Texas in the bowl game? I thought he did, which gives him 5 losses.

2008 Penn State
2008 Texas
2009 USC
2009 Purdue
2010 Wisconsin

Still crazy good but just incorrect.
Nov 22, 2010 7:03pm
E

elbuckeye28

Senior Member

919 posts
Nov 22, 2010 7:43 PM
Mr. 300;571288 wrote:Why would I get excited about a run from TP?? That's really all he has going for him. The comments made about being on one of the top teams in the country were my comments a few days ago. His missed throws far exceed any drops his receivers have had in his three years at TOSU. He has above average speed but below average qb smarts and off the bottom of the chart on the intermediate throws. His deep ball is average/above average.

JT said in the beginning he wanted TP to not make mistakes in running the offense. and kept it simple for him. Had hoped that would change and open up a bit, but seems to methe apron strings are still attached.
Above average speed????
Nov 22, 2010 7:43pm
LJ's avatar

LJ

Senior Member

16,351 posts
Nov 22, 2010 8:28 PM
Terry_Tate;571466 wrote:Did Pryor not start against Texas in the bowl game? I thought he did, which gives him 5 losses.

2008 Penn State
2008 Texas
2009 USC
2009 Purdue
2010 Wisconsin

Still crazy good but just incorrect.

He did not start
Nov 22, 2010 8:28pm
stroups's avatar

stroups

Senior Member

3,223 posts
Nov 22, 2010 8:31 PM
The run is at the 2:50 mark, check out the great block Justin Boren had.


[video=youtube;B4f6r8Vmgfs][/video]
Nov 22, 2010 8:31pm