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Jan 3, 2011 1:17 PM
Cant wait for these Crosby homers to dispute that fact. This outta be hilarious to watch them scramble and make shit up to explain it.
Jan 3, 2011 1:17pm
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Jan 3, 2011 1:17 PM
Everyone compares ovie and crosby and saying how crosby has the cup etc etc etc - give MAF to the caps instead of Jose Three or Four and Varlamov and it's probably be the Caps with the cup. Ovie and Crosby are practically identical in stats and winning a cup comes down to goal tending, and the caps never have it
Jan 3, 2011 1:17pm
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Jan 3, 2011 1:18 PM
Raw Dawgin' it;623044 wrote:OV has a higher +/- than Crosby - So crosby is on the ice for more goals against than Ovie - So yes Ovie trumps Crosby.
Commander of Awesome;623046 wrote:Cant wait for these Crosby homers to dispute that fact. This outta be hilarious to watch them scramble and make shit up to explain it.


WRONG!

http://espn.go.com/nhl/statistics

Crosby is second in plus/minus, Ovechkin isn't even in the top 5. Not only does Crosby lead in goals scored, assists and total points, he leads in faceoff percentage too.
Jan 3, 2011 1:18pm
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Jan 3, 2011 1:21 PM
Commander of Awesome;623046 wrote:Cant wait for these Crosby homers to dispute that fact. This outta be hilarious to watch them scramble and make shit up to explain it.

www.espn.com its not difficult.

+/- isn't the end all stat in hockey anyway, but it is interesting to bring up.

Washington failed last year because they were contained and Halak was a beast, not because of their own goal tending. Do you fools even watch hockey?
Jan 3, 2011 1:21pm
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Jan 3, 2011 1:21 PM
rock_knutne;623050 wrote:WRONG!

http://espn.go.com/nhl/statistics

Crosby is second in plus/minus, Ovechkin isn't even in the top 5. Not only does Crosby lead in goals scored, assists and total points, he leads in faceoff percentage too.
Career stats douche bag - Players like this are compared by careers not single seasons.

Also Ovie is a winger and doesn't take face offs as often as crosby does - so nice fail,
Jan 3, 2011 1:21pm
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Jan 3, 2011 1:21 PM
Raw Dawgin' it;623047 wrote:Everyone compares ovie and crosby and saying how crosby has the cup etc etc etc - give MAF to the caps instead of Jose Three or Four and Varlamov and it's probably be the Caps with the cup. Ovie and Crosby are practically identical in stats and winning a cup comes down to goal tending, and the caps never have it

Wasn't it Varlamov who got the Caps to seven games against the Pens two years ago in the playoffs? He was on fire until the Pens chased hom from goal in game seven.
Jan 3, 2011 1:21pm
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Jan 3, 2011 1:23 PM
Raw Dawgin' it;623054 wrote:Career stats douche bag - Players like this are compared by careers not single seasons.

Also Ovie is a winger and doesn't take face offs as often as crosby does - so nice fail,

Now I'm a douche because I proved you wrong? Go figure out another math formula to show you're right you dumb cocksucker!

BTW, the only career stat between these two are head to head and Cups won........guess who leads in both categories?
Jan 3, 2011 1:23pm
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Jan 3, 2011 1:25 PM
I'd like to see an ESPN poll of who you would rather have between the two, better yet a poll from current GMs.

I wouldn't be unanimous, but heavily favoring Crosby. Again I'm saying this as an Ovechkin fan. Crosby is better, its plain as day, he does more for his team. Better shot and pure scorer? No...Ovechkin gets the nod in that department.
Jan 3, 2011 1:25pm
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Jan 3, 2011 1:25 PM
rock_knutne;623061 wrote:Now I'm a douche because I proved you wrong? Go figure out another math formula to show you're right you dumb cocksucker!

Wow, internet tough guy of the week award winner right here. Congrats on being the first two time award winner, in back to back weeks no less. Truly a milestone.
Jan 3, 2011 1:25pm
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Jan 3, 2011 1:27 PM
rock_knutne;623057 wrote:Wasn't it Varlamov who got the Caps to seven games against the Pens two years ago in the playoffs? He was on fire until the Pens chased hom from goal in game seven.

Game 7 isn't the same as winning a cup. Niemi last year was the exception to rule (winning it as a rookie), it takes a goalie with a cool head, Varly obviously couldn't take the pressure of a game seven like MAF could and the caps paid for it. Thank you for proving me right in that goaltending wins championships.
Jan 3, 2011 1:27pm
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Jan 3, 2011 1:28 PM
Automatik;623064 wrote:I'd like to see an ESPN poll of who you would rather have between the two, better yet a poll from current GMs.

I wouldn't be unanimous, but heavily favoring Crosby. Again I'm saying this as an Ovechkin fan. Crosby is better, its plain as day, he does more for his team. Better shot and pure scorer? No...Ovechkin gets the nod in that department.

Good post auto! There's no denying Ovechkin's nose for goal and his shot is legendary already but Crosby is the complete hockey player who has worked on improving every facet of his game and the stats prove it. Sid worked on his shooting and now leads the league in goals scored, he worked on feceoffs and is now the league leader in that department. The kid is driven to win, I can't say the same or Ovechkin.
Jan 3, 2011 1:28pm
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Jan 3, 2011 1:29 PM
Automatik;623064 wrote:I'd like to see an ESPN poll of who you would rather have between the two, better yet a poll from current GMs.

I wouldn't be unanimous, but heavily favoring Crosby. Again I'm saying this as an Ovechkin fan. Crosby is better, its plain as day, he does more for his team. Better shot and pure scorer? No...Ovechkin gets the nod in that department.
Career stats according to Yahoo Sports are equal. If you Player A and Player B and listed their stats then had people pick, i bet it'd be 50/50. It's a lot closer than people think.
Jan 3, 2011 1:29pm
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Jan 3, 2011 1:30 PM
Raw Dawgin' it;623067 wrote:Game 7 isn't the same as winning a cup. Niemi last year was the exception to rule (winning it as a rookie), it takes a goalie with a cool head, Varly obviously couldn't take the pressure of a game seven like MAF could and the caps paid for it. Thank you for proving me right in that goaltending wins championships.
When did I say goaltending wasn't a key component? Typical garbage from you, making shit up as you go along!

BTW, you need to score goals and kill penalties too to win a Cup, it all goes hand in hand.
Jan 3, 2011 1:30pm
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Jan 3, 2011 1:32 PM
rock_knutne;623075 wrote:When did I say goaltending wasn't a key component? Typical garbage from you, making shit up as you go along!

BTW, you need to score goals and kill penalties too to win a Cup, it all goes hand in hand.
Ha what exactly did I make up?
Jan 3, 2011 1:32pm
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Jan 3, 2011 1:33 PM
Raw Dawgin' it;623073 wrote:Career stats according to Yahoo Sports are equal. If you Player A and Player B and listed their stats then had people pick, i bet it'd be 50/50. It's a lot closer than people think.

Crosby has improved, one could argue by looking at Ovechkin's stats this year that he's regressed. He leads the league in shots and only has 14 goals!
Jan 3, 2011 1:33pm
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Jan 3, 2011 1:34 PM
Raw Dawgin' it;623077 wrote:Ha what exactly did I make up?

When did I say goaltending wasn't key in winning a cup? You make it sound that I totally disagreed with you. Keep up the good work!
Jan 3, 2011 1:34pm
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Jan 3, 2011 1:35 PM
Raw Dawgin' it;623073 wrote:Career stats according to Yahoo Sports are equal. If you Player A and Player B and listed their stats then had people pick, i bet it'd be 50/50. It's a lot closer than people think.

Except when you actually WATCH THEM PLAY.

There are times when I've seen Crosby fail to appear on the score sheet yet he still has a huge impact on the game and is obviously the best player on the ice. I can't say the same for Ovechkin. I've seen games where he was non existent on several occasions.

In all honesty, they are two different types of players. Some will find this funny, but when you compare what they do for their team and their own skill set, Crosby is like LeBron. He makes everyone around him better, can facilitate, score and play solid D. I can't say the same for Ovechkin.
Jan 3, 2011 1:35pm
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Jan 3, 2011 1:37 PM
Commander of Awesome;623066 wrote:Wow, internet tough guy of the week award winner right here. Congrats on being the first two time award winner, in back to back weeks no less. Truly a milestone.

You're making up awards now? LOL, you're such a fucking loser!
Jan 3, 2011 1:37pm
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Jan 3, 2011 1:38 PM
rock_knutne;623081 wrote:Crosby has improved, one could argue by looking at Ovechkin's stats this year that he's regressed. He leads the league in shots and only has 14 goals!

So he regressed and still has the same career totals while being on the ice for more goals...sounds like the better player to me and is just having an off year. Caps are working on becoming a more defensive team, one reason Ovie has isn't have his spectacular goal totals (that was in HBO 24/7 before you flip your lid and tell me i'm a liar and make garbage up at random)
Jan 3, 2011 1:38pm
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Jan 3, 2011 1:39 PM
Automatik;623085 wrote:In all honesty, they are two different types of players. Some will find this funny, but when you compare what they do for their team and their own skill set, Crosby is like LeBron. He makes everyone around him better, can facilitate, score and play solid D. I can't say the same for Ovechkin.
Totally agree that they're completely different types of players with different roles.
Jan 3, 2011 1:39pm
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Jan 3, 2011 1:40 PM
Commander of Awesome;622791 wrote:God forbid I dont agree that Crosby is god's gift to hockey. I obviously can't talk some real hockey with any of you here, its nothing about a Crosby is the greatest and you're an idiot if you have a different opinion thread.
I'm not saying Crosby is God's gift to hockey, but if you're going to come in here and stir the pot, at least be informed and give an a well thought out reason why you think Ovi is better. Otherwise with statements like Ovi plays defense it just makes you look like more of a dumbass than we already know you are.
Jan 3, 2011 1:40pm
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Jan 3, 2011 1:42 PM
Raw Dawgin' it;623090 wrote:So he regressed and still has the same career totals while being on the ice for more goals...sounds like the better player to me and is just having an off year. Caps are working on becoming a more defensive team, one reason Ovie has isn't have his spectacular goal totals (that was in HBO 24/7 before you flip your lid and tell me i'm a liar and make garbage up at random)

OK.......a league leading 180 shots and only 14 goals, yep, sounds like he's concentrating on defense.:rolleyes: Watch the guy play, he never back checks, ever. Maybe the Caps are trying to play better defense but Ovechkin certainly isn't.
Jan 3, 2011 1:42pm
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Jan 3, 2011 1:47 PM
rock_knutne;623101 wrote:OK.......a league leading 180 shots and only 14 goals, yep, sounds like he's concentrating on defense.:rolleyes: Watch the guy play, he never back checks, ever. Maybe the Caps are trying to play better defense but Ovechkin certainly isn't.
He's 6th in hits this year, checking doesn't seem to be the problem...
Jan 3, 2011 1:47pm
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Jan 3, 2011 1:50 PM
Ovechkin is better than Crosby at one thing.

Jan 3, 2011 1:50pm
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Jan 3, 2011 1:52 PM
Both are great players. Obviously Pittsburgh fans are going to lean toward Crosby and some non-Pittsburgh fans are going to lean toward Ovi.

Melrose, Barnaby and just about everybody on Versus and NBC say that Sid is the best player in the game. They're probably just Crosby/Pens homers too so what do those analysts and former players and coaches know.
Jan 3, 2011 1:52pm