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Jan 13, 2011 11:54 PM
Viking;637692 wrote:Well, you didn't believe me. Do you believe me now?

Where did I say I didn't believe you? You act like this is some shocking breaking news or something? It's been talked about for years. You knew once the privates took 5 of 6 something was going to happen. You didn't break some major news story or anything.
Jan 13, 2011 11:54pm
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Jan 14, 2011 12:04 AM
The private schools should all boycott the OSHAA and invite public schools that want to compete with the best (like the MAC schools) to join a new association. Now they are punishing teams for being successful by putting tradition into a multiplier? Let's just give everyone a trophy and be done with it. Hopefully the business world never accepts this garbage and decides to start worrying about hurting peoples' feeling.
Jan 14, 2011 12:04am
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Jan 14, 2011 6:28 AM
wizecracker;637733 wrote:The private schools should all boycott the OSHAA and invite public schools that want to compete with the best (like the MAC schools) to join a new association.

I suggested having open and closed divisions at the option of each school. It was kind of a throwaway idea, but the longer this nonsense goes, the more I like it. A school could choose to complete with "only their kind" (i.e. fake state champion) or in the "bring it on" divisions (real state champion).
Jan 14, 2011 6:28am
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Jan 14, 2011 6:54 AM
wizecracker;637733 wrote:The private schools should all boycott the OSHAA and invite public schools that want to compete with the best (like the MAC schools) to join a new association. Now they are punishing teams for being successful by putting tradition into a multiplier? Let's just give everyone a trophy and be done with it. Hopefully the business world never accepts this garbage and decides to start worrying about hurting peoples' feeling.

Best post I've seen in a long time.
Jan 14, 2011 6:54am
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Jan 14, 2011 8:49 AM
Is there some kind of change coming? I heard something about change, and as luck would have it...I'm looking for something to embrace.
Jan 14, 2011 8:49am
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Jan 14, 2011 9:22 AM
I heard that Mooney was going to start a rowing team (use Lake Milton) and a spooning team. The Cards are going to work on their stroking and play even harder.
Jan 14, 2011 9:22am
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Jan 14, 2011 9:28 AM
Not sure if all the votes are there...as some would have you believe.

http://www.vindy.com/news/2011/jan/14/ohsaa-proposes-rule-to-adjust-playoff-ba/

My favorite quotes from the article:
The system does need to be tweaked, but I don’t know if it needs tweaked as much as they’re trying to do it. You’ve got to have a doggone calculus degree to find out where you’re going to be.
- Dick Angle, Howland AD
If I were a Division V team, I probably wouldn’t be very happy playing them. But if they move up to I or II or III, those schools aren’t happy, either.
Dick Angle, Howland AD
It kind of seems like they’re punishing people who have been successful. But we’re kind of tired of hearing that every time we have success, it’s because we’re a private school. Just put us where you want to put us and we’ll do the best we can to compete.
- Sean Durkin, Ursuline AD
In the big picture, it doesn’t matter. I’ve seen studies of other places as far as using multipliers and there was one in particular where, five years later, the statistics were exactly the same as far as the number of champions. So, I don’t think it’ll be anything earth-shattering.
- PJ Fecko, Mooney Coach
Fecko said he thinks schools in Division I — and possibly Division II — might actually be inclined to vote against the bylaw, since it will only serve to increase competition in those divisions.
And the absolute best quotes from the article:
For us, I don’t care what division we’re in. Just roll out the ball and we’ll play.
- PJ Fecko, Mooney Coach
Maybe if we go up in divisions, we can get a local team to play us in football.
- Sean Durkin, Ursuline AD
Jan 14, 2011 9:28am
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Jan 14, 2011 9:38 AM
Viking;637931 wrote:I heard that Mooney was going to start a rowing team (use Lake Milton) and a spooning team. The Cards are going to work on their stroking and play even harder.

You probably want to get in on that.
Jan 14, 2011 9:38am
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Jan 14, 2011 10:14 AM
The superintendents vote, not coaches. The proposal will pass. Something will be done about D I football within the next several years. My guess is a new "super division".
Jan 14, 2011 10:14am
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Jan 14, 2011 10:18 AM
Viking;637988 wrote:The superintendents vote, not coaches. The proposal will pass. Something will be done about D I football within the next several years. My guess is a new "super division".
The AD's are the schools' representatives to the OHSAA. Do you ever tire of being wrong?
Jan 14, 2011 10:18am
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Jan 14, 2011 10:28 AM
The interesting thing to me is that if the OHSAA stays true to equal divisions as far as number of teams is concerned that as some private schools as potentially bumped up it will force some schools that were in higher divisions to drop down putting traditionall bigger schools into lower divisions.
Jan 14, 2011 10:28am
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Jan 14, 2011 10:54 AM
sherm03;637943 wrote:Not sure if all the votes are there...as some would have you believe.

But change is coming. You need to embrace it.
Jan 14, 2011 10:54am
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Jan 14, 2011 11:47 AM
queencitybuckeye;637990 wrote:The AD's are the schools' representatives to the OHSAA. Do you ever tire of being wrong?
No, in fact I'd wager he's "embracing" it.
Jan 14, 2011 11:47am
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Jan 14, 2011 12:12 PM
The AD's will vote as the superintendents tell them.
Jan 14, 2011 12:12pm
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Jan 14, 2011 12:25 PM
The ADs do not vote. It's either the principal or superintendent.

There are some upset people in the MAC where teams like Coldwater and Marion Local will likely be bumped up for being successful.
Jan 14, 2011 12:25pm
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Jan 14, 2011 12:34 PM
id vote for separate tournaments as opposed to what they are proposiing now.
Jan 14, 2011 12:34pm
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Jan 14, 2011 1:45 PM
Delphosfan;638192 wrote:The ADs do not vote. It's either the principal or superintendent.

There are some upset people in the MAC where teams like Coldwater and Marion Local will likely be bumped up for being successful.

Winner. And in most cases it is the superintendent. The votes for change are there. The yes vote is as much of a sure thing as a country road in Ohio with pot holes.
Jan 14, 2011 1:45pm
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Jan 14, 2011 1:45 PM
Con_Alma;638003 wrote:The interesting thing to me is that if the OHSAA stays true to equal divisions as far as number of teams is concerned that as some private schools as potentially bumped up it will force some schools that were in higher divisions to drop down putting traditionall bigger schools into lower divisions.

Massilon winning d-2?
Jan 14, 2011 1:45pm
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Jan 14, 2011 3:18 PM
gamauter;638330 wrote:Massilon winning d-2?

or losing d2 to a school that was bumped up from d3...lol
Jan 14, 2011 3:18pm
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Jan 14, 2011 3:20 PM
Massillon still won't win a real title.
Jan 14, 2011 3:20pm
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Jan 14, 2011 3:52 PM
Viking;638329 wrote:Winner. And in most cases it is the superintendent. The votes for change are there. The yes vote is as much of a sure thing as a country road in Ohio with pot holes.

At the risk of making you actually deal in facts instead of blather, on what basis (other than wishful thinking) do you base the idea that the vote is in the bag? Perhaps a straw poll is in order based on our knowledge of our various districts (what will happen, not what we want). I'll start. The Hilliard City School District will be casting three votes against the measure. I would suspect that the vast majority of the fellow OCC schools will as well, but don't know that for a fact.
Jan 14, 2011 3:52pm
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Jan 14, 2011 3:54 PM
Summit County public schools vote yes.
Jan 14, 2011 3:54pm
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Jan 14, 2011 4:02 PM
Viking;638482 wrote:Summit County public schools vote yes.

All public schools in Summit County? You're "voting" with your heart, won't happen.
Jan 14, 2011 4:02pm
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Jan 14, 2011 4:32 PM
Yeah. I can see a lot of smaller publics voting yes to clear out the V and VI privates (and apparently the top MAC publics). But the larger the school is, the less likely I can see them in wanting this (unless they're, say, a smaller I school that could get bumped to II in the event that, as Con Alma said, the OHSAA keeps the six divisions equal in size).

As QCB said, it's hard to imagine the Division I/II teams in the OCC (some of whom have shown the ability to win state championships in reasonably recent years) getting all excited about a proposal that will do little more than make their road more difficult. Especially considering that making teams like Bishop Hartley and Columbus DeSales MORE prominent because they're in a higher division could be the sort of thing that could make them more appealing to higher-profile players in the area. Because, let's face it, if the privates are as bad as some of you saying, putting them in a larger division where they'll be more high-profile would actually be a boon to them as far as name recognition goes.

It'll be good for Shadyside, as St. John's won't be around to crush them. It'll be less good for, say, Steuby, when some displaced IV or V power is crushing them instead of their former postseason opponents.
Jan 14, 2011 4:32pm
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Jan 14, 2011 4:51 PM
queencitybuckeye;638479 wrote:on what basis (other than wishful thinking) do you base the idea that the vote is in the bag?

Because he has embraced the change!
Jan 14, 2011 4:51pm