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Jan 9, 2011 3:28 PM
Mooney will be D II and Ursuline will be D IV. That is my best guess.
Jan 9, 2011 3:28pm
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Jan 9, 2011 3:38 PM
Viking;631001 wrote:Mooney will be D II and Ursuline will be D IV. That is my best guess.

I heard that Mooney was dropping to D4 again when it came time for the new divisions. Must be a hell of a multiplier to make them jump 2 divisions. But...if that's what it takes for all the pansies to feel better about themselves, so be it.
Jan 9, 2011 3:38pm
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Jan 9, 2011 3:38 PM
Viking;631001 wrote:Mooney will be D II and Ursuline will be D IV. That is my best guess.

And that's going to change what? Nothing. Will you guys still whine and cry when they reach the finals or win the Championships then? I'm gonna say yes.
Jan 9, 2011 3:38pm
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Jan 9, 2011 4:09 PM
Thinthickbigred;630679 wrote: ... We as public schools have a governing body . the private schools really dont ...
There are more public school members in the OHSAA than privates meaning they have more votes than anyone. Sounds like your problem is with the public school sand the governing body that they maintain.
Jan 9, 2011 4:09pm
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Jan 9, 2011 5:29 PM
Mooney will remain D3 due to their enrollment dropping a little like sherm03 stated. But like I have said the suburban schopls will benefit. The parents that grew up in the inner cities have either moved to the suburbs or they have sent their kids to private schools. Public school systems in Youngstown and Toledo will not change.
Jan 9, 2011 5:29pm
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Jan 9, 2011 6:00 PM
There is more involved than just a multiplier. You guys should read the article in the ABJ. The "tradition" factor should push Mooney up a division unless they have a drastic enrollment drop.
Jan 9, 2011 6:00pm
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Jan 9, 2011 6:15 PM
Viking;631232 wrote:There is more involved than just a multiplier. You guys should read the article in the ABJ. The "tradition" factor should push Mooney up a division unless they have a drastic enrollment drop.

Maybe you should have read your highly slanted, anti-private article a little closer:
In addition, a school would not be forced to jump more than one division. So if you take the semipro football program at Youngstown Ursuline and move it from D-V to D-IV — pitting it against schools such as Manchester, Orrville and Garrettsville — what have you accomplished?
So when Mooney's enrollment drops it down to qualify as a D4, and then they add in all this crap to screw over private schools...the highest Mooney can go is D3.

Reading through that made it clear that there is only one set of schools that benefit from this: D6 public schools.
The schools that get screwed the most: D2 private schools.

Everyone else will experience the same success/failure year in and year out.
Jan 9, 2011 6:15pm
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Jan 9, 2011 6:35 PM
GoChiefs;631024 wrote:And that's going to change what? Nothing. Will you guys still whine and cry when they reach the finals or win the Championships then? I'm gonna say yes.

It will show that the multiplier should have been higher.
Jan 9, 2011 6:35pm
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Jan 9, 2011 6:39 PM
Con_Alma;631113 wrote:There are more public school members in the OHSAA than privates meaning they have more votes than anyone. Sounds like your problem is with the public school sand the governing body that they maintain.

Yes you are correct .
Jan 9, 2011 6:39pm
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Jan 9, 2011 6:47 PM
Al Bundy;630858 wrote:I'm not even sure where to start. I played at a public school, so I am not quite sure what the "you guys" reference to means. Youngstown South closed 20 years ago. I asked this before, but why doesn't the Catholic "advantage" hold up in Steubenville? You said it was because of Reno. Maybe a coach is more important to a program than whether a school is public or private.

It doesnt hold up in Steubenville,but at one time it was a contest of sorts and I can tell you numerous stories of improper things . Steubenville area is much smaller than Y.town area .. I mean You guys have D-1 juggernauts playing for D-3 and D-5 titles. Its the gene pool clearly in your case. The catholic school argument does however hold up in several communities with only 2 high schools .. Big Red and Central both went to the state finales a few years ago at the same time along with 3 other schools from WVA that are close .. THE SAME YEAR. Both Big Red and Central have state titles ... In Delphos only small school DSJ runs the show .. In Kettering only small school Alter runs the show ...In Newark only small school Newark catholic runs the show . and there are others
Jan 9, 2011 6:47pm
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Jan 9, 2011 7:03 PM

http://www.ohio.com/sports/113155499.html
That article confirms everything I have told you guys .... So I am not a fool am I . I mean others feel my pain for these small schools like Shadyside. Thank you thank you thank you ..
Jan 9, 2011 7:03pm
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Jan 9, 2011 7:44 PM
I could give two shits about Shadyside if its not DSJ then they would have gotten it handed to them by Marion Local. But that is not an article it is an opinion piece I'll wait for the actual changes from OHSAA not an opinion from a guy with a slanted point of view. I think thickheadbigred was hoping that the road to the title would be easier for big red when it may have just became harder hahaha.
Jan 9, 2011 7:44pm
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Jan 9, 2011 7:54 PM
rmolin73;631378 wrote:I could give two shits about Shadyside if its not DSJ then they would have gotten it handed to them by Marion Local. But that is not an article it is an opinion piece I'll wait for the actual changes from OHSAA not an opinion from a guy with a slanted point of view. I think thickheadbigred was hoping that the road to the title would be easier for big red when it may have just became harder hahaha.
I got my title .. Aint even talking about Big Red .. We can stick up for ourselves against your outlaw programs . Alot of our breathren cannot ... No justice no Peace!!!!
Jan 9, 2011 7:54pm
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Jan 9, 2011 8:12 PM
Thinthickbigred;631401 wrote:I got my title .. Aint even talking about Big Red .. We can stick up for ourselves against your outlaw programs . Alot of our breathren cannot ... No justice no Peace!!!!

Interesting that you operate EXACTLY the same way, but only "they" are outlaw programs.
Jan 9, 2011 8:12pm
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Jan 9, 2011 8:18 PM
Thinthickbigred;631323 wrote:http://www.ohio.com/sports/113155499.html
That article confirms everything I have told you guys .... So I am not a fool am I . I mean others feel my pain for these small schools like Shadyside. Thank you thank you thank you ..
Don't feel bad for Shadyside. Not to be mean, but they stunk. They had no business being in a state title game. Even the worst team in the MAC would've thumped them. And it takes a brilliant coach to go for it on 4th and ten at your own 18 with 4:00 to go in a 60 point game. No amount of stupid, new rules will get them a state title.

I'll be waiting for the howls of protest from the public schools who will be bumped up a division by these rules. MAC schools might get hit the worst. Marion Local won three straight volleyball titles the past four years. Coldwater's two state titles, two state runners-up the past five years. Minster dominates girls track and cross country with 21 combined state titles. Marion Local football, two state titles, two state semis the past five years. ALL will move up a division. That's fair, isn't it?
Jan 9, 2011 8:18pm
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Jan 9, 2011 8:45 PM
^^^^^^ That wasnt even Shadysides first state title appearance .. They went a few years ago .. They have beaten some good teams 4 playoff teams and then play your university team .... I watched the game I saw your starters in the game in the 4th quarter .. You know Big Red could beat several teams by 60 70 or even 100 if we wanted too but we run a CLASS program WE dont run it up like that .. messed up crap man ... I am so itching to play a big bad MAC school .. We would beat every single team in that confrence most years ..im sick of your Indiana schools .. You guys beat Steubenville Central a few years ago in 05 .. Steubenville Big Red won the state title the same year .. We are a small town .. put our high schools together and we would beat you by 70 tell you that if we wanted
Jan 9, 2011 8:45pm
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Jan 9, 2011 8:50 PM
Thinthickbigred;631401 wrote:I got my title .. Aint even talking about Big Red .. We can stick up for ourselves against your outlaw programs . Alot of our breathren cannot ... No justice no Peace!!!!

For the last time the school I support is public! In my opinion when the mighty big red who has been known to operate outside of the law themselves were embarassed by both Youngstown teams in back to back years you were seeing your dominance drifting. The little schools I highly doubt you are concerned with them. It seems you cant stick up for yourselves anymore. Your school just like others want an easier road which it wont be.
Jan 9, 2011 8:50pm
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Jan 9, 2011 8:56 PM
Thinthickbigred;631482 wrote:^^^^^^ That wasnt even Shadysides first state title appearance .. They went a few years ago .. They have beaten some good teams 4 playoff teams and then play your university team .... I watched the game I saw your starters in the game in the 4th quarter .. You know Big Red could beat several teams by 60 70 or even 100 if we wanted too but we run a CLASS program WE dont run it up like that .. messed up crap man ... I am so itching to play a big bad MAC school .. We would beat every single team in that confrence most years ..im sick of your Indiana schools .. You guys beat Steubenville Central a few years ago in 05 .. Steubenville Big Red won the state title the same year .. We are a small town .. put our high schools together and we would beat you by 70 tell you that if we wanted
hahahahahahahaha like Steubenville will play that many ohio schools in one season so now the MAC schools are Indiana teams? You have really lost it now dude. By the way Coldwater would have handled you guys but they are D5 and you are the mighty big red.
Jan 9, 2011 8:56pm
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Jan 9, 2011 9:52 PM
Change is upon us. Embrace it!
Jan 9, 2011 9:52pm
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Jan 9, 2011 10:02 PM
rmolin73;631506 wrote:hahahahahahahaha like Steubenville will play that many ohio schools in one season so now the MAC schools are Indiana teams? You have really lost it now dude. By the way Coldwater would have handled you guys but they are D5 and you are the mighty big red.

sure yea right think so bull crap ...hahahahahahahaha yourself Indiana ... I dont care we play alot of teams alot of very good teams we play a division 1 schedule we play in front of 10,000 3 or 4 times a year ..just dont like teams running scores up and keeping starters in game into the 4th quarter when up by 60 .. real classy ... Bring on coldwater ...
Jan 9, 2011 10:02pm
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Jan 9, 2011 10:04 PM
Viking;631587 wrote:Change is upon us. Embrace it!

Woo Hoo bout time .. I think that DSJ game might have weighed on some peoples minds .. Its time to blackball these outlaw programs .. Maybe in a few years we will
Jan 9, 2011 10:04pm
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Jan 9, 2011 11:08 PM
Don't hold your breath better yet go ahead and hold it. Outlaw programs? Show me proof where Delphos St. Johns, Ursuline, or Mooney have cheated? You can't, I think it is just the fact that you hate catholic schools and it is showing pal. Big Red has black balled themselves by playing to many home games and playing 70% of the teams out of state. The loss at the hands of Dover is just the beginning of the end. My school will not be effected I just hate people with a weak mentality. Where were you when you were beating Ursuline? But when the tables are turned and now you are becoming the whipping board of Ohio teams things need to be changed? Watch the MAC and NWO teams run D5-D6 and I will be laughing hysterically. By the way you were hoping tat Big Red goes down to D4? That will probably be the division Delphos St. Johns ends up in maybe you will face them if you make it out. But you will probably be D3 again and get beat by Ursuline 2 times in the same year LOL.
Jan 9, 2011 11:08pm
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Jan 9, 2011 11:11 PM
This is a D1 schedule?

8/26 H Inkster (MI) (2-7) [2:0] W 36-0
9/4 N McKeesport (PA) (8-1) [2:0] W 7-0
9/10 H Brooke (WV) (7-2) [2:0] W 34-21
9/17 H St John's College (DC) (4-5) [2:0] W 14-0
9/25 H Morgantown (WV) (9-1) [1:0] W 35-7
10/1 H Wheeling Park (WV) (2-8) [1:0] W 39-0
10/8 A Massillon Washington (7-3) [1:2] L 7-28
10/15 H Ursuline (10-0) [5:17] L 3-24
10/22 H St Joseph's Collegiate (NY) (4-5) [1:0] W 59-39
10/29 H Cardinal O'Hara (NY) (5-4) [6:0] W 36-0
Jan 9, 2011 11:11pm
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Jan 10, 2011 7:42 AM
rmolin73;631692 wrote:This is a D1 schedule?

8/26 H Inkster (MI) (2-7) [2:0] W 36-0
9/4 N McKeesport (PA) (8-1) [2:0] W 7-0
9/10 H Brooke (WV) (7-2) [2:0] W 34-21
9/17 H St John's College (DC) (4-5) [2:0] W 14-0
9/25 H Morgantown (WV) (9-1) [1:0] W 35-7
10/1 H Wheeling Park (WV) (2-8) [1:0] W 39-0
10/8 A Massillon Washington (7-3) [1:2] L 7-28
10/15 H Ursuline (10-0) [5:17] L 3-24
10/22 H St Joseph's Collegiate (NY) (4-5) [1:0] W 59-39
10/29 H Cardinal O'Hara (NY) (5-4) [6:0] W 36-0

Yes !!!!! lol.....7 d-1 schools 1 d-5 school who could have won the d-1 title another smaller school who had a 23 game winning streak a few years ago and Inkster who was in the Michigan d-2 state title last year and beat both us and this years d-1 champion St Eds LOL 7 or 8 playoff tyeams also ... dude cmon i know dont like us and i dont mind that fact .. You wont hear me lie on your team because I dont like them .. I go by facts unbiased .. You are slanted .. That is a monster schedule for a d-3 team .. it beat us up ... we didnt have the depth .. that cost us in the end ... I know my football dude ... your being ridiculas ..for real
Jan 10, 2011 7:42am
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Jan 10, 2011 7:48 AM
rmolin73;631686 wrote:Don't hold your breath better yet go ahead and hold it. Outlaw programs? Show me proof where Delphos St. Johns, Ursuline, or Mooney have cheated? You can't, I think it is just the fact that you hate catholic schools and it is showing pal. Big Red has black balled themselves by playing to many home games and playing 70% of the teams out of state. The loss at the hands of Dover is just the beginning of the end. My school will not be effected I just hate people with a weak mentality. Where were you when you were beating Ursuline? But when the tables are turned and now you are becoming the whipping board of Ohio teams things need to be changed? Watch the MAC and NWO teams run D5-D6 and I will be laughing hysterically. By the way you were hoping tat Big Red goes down to D4? That will probably be the division Delphos St. Johns ends up in maybe you will face them if you make it out. But you will probably be D3 again and get beat by Ursuline 2 times in the same year LOL.

try just try to be objective ..... i dont hate catholic schools ... sob sob sob whaaa whaaaaa whaaaaaa begining of the end .... oh nooooooooo say it aint sooooooo sob sob sob sob sniffle sniffle ... You cant be objective you resort to personnel attacks ,that shows you have a weak argument read the article it confirms everything ive said http://www.ohio.com/sports112155499.html
Jan 10, 2011 7:48am